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ATF walking guns to Mexico?

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posted on Jan, 6 2011 @ 06:39 AM
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All of those guns in Mexico we're supposed to feel guilty about? Turns out quite a fewmay have been brought to Mexico by the ATF.


Border Patrol agent killed with ATF-smuggled AR? Some ATF agents seem to think so…

“…Word is that curious George Gillett the Phoenix ASAC stepped on it again. Allegedly he has approved more than 500 AR-15 type rifles from Tucson and Phoenix cases to be ‘walked’ to Mexico. Appears that ATF may be one of the largest suppliers of assault rifles to the Mexican cartels!”Source[/ur l]



Well, here's what a solid source within ATF says about this story this morning:

"It's true. Pure fact verified. Ongoing inv(estigation) I can't discuss."[url=http://www.examiner.com/gun-rights-in-national/atf-source-confirms-walking-guns-to-mexico-to-pad-statistics]Source


Most of the foundation for this is coming from unnamed "ATF Insiders" so whether or not the ongoing investigation actually gets anywhere or if this is just a hoax is yet to be seen.

Still, with the CIA admittedly smuggling drugs is it really hard to believe the ATF may be smuggling guns?




posted on Jan, 6 2011 @ 07:23 AM
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Remember the Iran Contra? Opium Wars? '___' and the CIA and MK ULTRA?

If you know anything about any of these past events, than you will understand Mexico today much better.

The Drug Cartel Mafia works hand in hand with the Govt.

It's actually classified "Above Top Secret". That.


Addition: Wikileaks generally only releases "Secret" or every once in awhile but rarely "Top Secret" information.
Wikileaks will NOT be revealing something this big, which is "Above Top Secret" in our document classification system.
edit on 6-1-2011 by muzzleflash because: Just a little addition for our pals at Wikileaks...



posted on Jan, 6 2011 @ 07:48 AM
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Why does this ATF even exist anymore? Alcohol, tobacco and firearms are all legal. We don't need this agency to collect taxes on them anymore than we need an agency to collect taxes on any other goods and services.
Why can't regular law enforcement handle any cases with breaking of laws involving said goods? They use over a billion dollars now to regulate that which is legal?
2010 Budget



posted on Jan, 6 2011 @ 07:49 AM
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Without them who would burn women and children to death and snipe mothers holding their babies from afar?

The ATF provides a valuable service collecting up firearms and selling them to Mexican cartels.

I shudder to think of a world without them.


 
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posted on Jan, 6 2011 @ 09:08 AM
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Yes, that is the most likely answer here, muzzleflash. TPTB are attempting to spark an internal guerrilla war with the cartels. Let the little brown people fight them mentality, you know, like in many other nations Corp. U.S. has taken over and exploited in recent years. Also, Mexico is a buffer zone with Nicaragua and Venezuela. To TPTB Mexico would be a strategic target, not to mention war production would surely go up, and new weapons systems could be tested in wartime conditions. And then there is the Minerals...
Mexico’s Geology Key to Gold Deposits

Mexico Finds Huge Oil Deposits

Mexico Eyes Deep-Water Oil Reserves

Of course, if America deemed it necessary to invade Mexico, it would not be fighting the Mexican Army, no, they would be fighting the Drug Cartels.
Mexico drug gangs turn weapons on army

Don't you all see? this is a game that has been played many times for many years. Create a problem in a nation that has rich mineral deposits. Inflame the problem, using whatever means necessary, even law. Label the dissenters as terrorists, and secretly arm them using covert means. Fund and arm a popular "people group" and popularized them in the media. Pretty soon Corp. U.S. is occupying the nation, has looted the Treasury and Museums, and is running a drug operation from there.



posted on Jan, 6 2011 @ 10:53 AM
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Originally posted by autowrench
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Yes, that is the most likely answer here, muzzleflash. TPTB are attempting to spark an internal guerrilla war with the cartels. Let the little brown people fight them mentality, you know, like in many other nations Corp. U.S. has taken over and exploited in recent years. Also, Mexico is a buffer zone with Nicaragua and Venezuela. To TPTB Mexico would be a strategic target, not to mention war production would surely go up, and new weapons systems could be tested in wartime conditions. And then there is the Minerals...
Mexico’s Geology Key to Gold Deposits

Mexico Finds Huge Oil Deposits

Mexico Eyes Deep-Water Oil Reserves

Of course, if America deemed it necessary to invade Mexico, it would not be fighting the Mexican Army, no, they would be fighting the Drug Cartels.
Mexico drug gangs turn weapons on army

Don't you all see? this is a game that has been played many times for many years. Create a problem in a nation that has rich mineral deposits. Inflame the problem, using whatever means necessary, even law. Label the dissenters as terrorists, and secretly arm them using covert means. Fund and arm a popular "people group" and popularized them in the media. Pretty soon Corp. U.S. is occupying the nation, has looted the Treasury and Museums, and is running a drug operation from there.



Although most might consider that scenario a bit far-fetched others suggest a similar version is indeed what is brewing.

In the past few years Mexico has been experiencing increasing violence particularly in the border regions. May suggest it stems from the policies of Mexican President Felipe Calderón who took office at the end of 2006 after a very tight election where his opponent, the very popular PRD candidtate Andrés Manuel López Obregón was initially announced winner. The election was contested, recounted, and announcement delayed about two weeks, and Calderón emerged winner. Almost immediately he stepped up War On Drugs efforts favorable to US policies which began a new wave of violence across the country.

en.wikipedia.org...


"Although homicide rates in Mexico from 2000-2007 showed a general decline,[68] now Mexico is considered to be among the Top Ten countries with the highest homicide rates.[69] Since Calderón launched his military strategy against organized crime in 2006, there has been an alarming increase in violent deaths related to organized crime, "more than 15,000 people have died in suspected drug attacks since it was launched at the end of 2006."[67] More than 5000 people were murdered in Mexico in 2008,[70] 2009 was the most violent year with 9,600 people murdered and the murder rates are expected to be higher in 2010.[71]"


Current newscasts suggest the above mentioned 15,000 deaths now number closer to 30,000 to include 2010 totals.

There has been an increase in grumbling among US populations in recent times with more suggesting US military involvement in Mexico to stem any number of objectionable activities. To me this suggests word-of-mouth campaigns to stir up feelings of dissatisfaction and increase a demand for government action be taken against their southern neighbor.

It just seems to me there is something afoot. Thanks to the OP for bringing this forward. We need to keep a close watch for where public opinion is being swayed and for what reasons.

edit on 6-1-2011 by Erongaricuaro because: (no reason given)



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