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Originally posted by KrazyJethro
Teenage,
No birth control? I'm sorry, but anyone who gets pregnant because birth control is not availible to them must be living in a cave.
Originally posted by KrazyJethro
First off, what are you threatening me? Pretty lame.
Second, I don't know why you think that religion (which I have not used as a reason once, but you have) is the only reason to be against it. There are myraid places people get their morality, and this is a moral judgement.
I for one hope it's outlawed. Personally I am willing and ready to accept the result, and readily await the day my friend.
Religion is the formula in which this society has been based.
Don't want religion used against you, then don't use it to rebut a point of view.
Originally posted by mwm1331
I read the bible and I see no teachings by Jesus ever mentioning abortion. The ten commandments say thou shalt not kill, but almost every religon exept satanism and islam say that. (satanism says dont get caught and Islam says only kill non muslims)
Whle some say it is no more than a "bundle of cells" That is only true for an amazingly short period of time. As medical Science, I, and many other posters have shown, far earlier than the 3rd month the fetus has a functioning brain, heart, lungs, nervous system, and by reacting to its environment has shown cogntive activity.
If it thinks, how can you say it is not alive, and doesn't deserve the same basic unalienable rights as every other American.
Originally posted by 27jd
LOL, dude are you ignorant? First off, how was I threatening YOU? Are you a religious fundamentalist?
I stated I am ready to defend our freedoms from religious fundamentalists of all kinds, and since they often use violence, that's how it must be defended.
Are you saying I'm wrong? Is it only OK to fight back when it comes to ISLAMIC militants? As for your readily awaiting the day, you prove my point exactly, and I too am ready to defend our freedoms from religion "my friend".
Religion is the formula in which this society has been based.
Don't want religion used against you, then don't use it to rebut a point of view.
Originally posted by WolfofWar
fact remains what even if physical life starts at conception as some people believe, a unborn child does not think duringthat period of time. Also, untill a specific time period, a fetus cannot live outside the womb and survive. They abort fetuses nowhere beyond that period, because if it could survive outside the womb, then its technically "Alive", otherwise, its just a sack of cells, a symbiote being living off of nutrients, and without that, it would die, hardly alive.
Originally posted by KrazyJethro
Obviously not, and no I am not ignorant. One would have to be ignorant of something, not ignorant in general.
My whole point, is that you seem to liken anyone against abortion to that of a religious stance, if not a fundamentalist one. This is grossly untrue. Many speak from an emotional standpoint, which in this business is just as silly as the pro-choice folks doing the same.
Originally posted by Jonna
I will do what ever I wish to my body and I expect everyone to do the same to theirs. Who am I or you or them to dictate how anyone should live their lives with their own bodies?
It's simple really MWM. If you're against abortion; don't have one.
Originally posted by RedOctober90
Originally posted by Jonna
I will do what ever I wish to my body and I expect everyone to do the same to theirs. Who am I or you or them to dictate how anyone should live their lives with their own bodies?
Well said there.
Funny how the conservatives preach how they want full control over there lives yet still insist on trying to dictate what others can and cannot do.
[edit on 18-8-2004 by RedOctober90]
Originally posted by KrazyJethro
Tired tired tired. Funny how this is only good when you want it to be.
Originally posted by smokenmirrors
Hey wait a minute, I am a conservative, but as I posted earlier, and it was not even challenged in this thread, whether you are pro or anti abortion makes no difference relative to the fact that abortions are going to occur, period. It does not matter if abortion is legal/illegal, moral/immoral, right/wrong, either way, they will occur.
So the question is, do you want the abortion to occur in the back alleys of the world, in abandoned buildings, the back of vans in parking lots, or in open fields, with hooks and hangers??? OR do you want the abortion to occur within the confines of a medical facility prepared to do such an operation?
Answer THAT question!
Originally posted by slank
If you want to force people to have children they don't want, get a gun and force them, but don't EVER EVER EVER call it morality.
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Again, what if a female in your family was raped, would you force her to be reminded every day for 9 months?
Would she love the child that was forced on her by a rapist?
If you learned your father was some sicko who raped your mother, and you were a living reminder of that, how would you feel?
Not to mention, like I stated, women would still get abortions, they would just have to go to Mexico, where business would be booming and the death rate of American women due to extremely poor practice would be as well. Do you say they deserve to die because they don't agree with YOUR moral values?
Originally posted by KrazyJethro
Originally posted by RedOctober90
Originally posted by Jonna
I will do what ever I wish to my body and I expect everyone to do the same to theirs. Who am I or you or them to dictate how anyone should live their lives with their own bodies?
Well said there.
Funny how the conservatives preach how they want full control over there lives yet still insist on trying to dictate what others can and cannot do.
[edit on 18-8-2004 by RedOctober90]
Tired tired tired. Funny how this is only good when you want it to be.
Originally posted by smokenmirrors
Hey wait a minute, I am a conservative, but as I posted earlier, and it was not even challenged in this thread, whether you are pro or anti abortion makes no difference relative to the fact that abortions are going to occur, period. It does not matter if abortion is legal/illegal, moral/immoral, right/wrong, either way, they will occur.
So the question is, do you want the abortion to occur in the back alleys of the world, in abandoned buildings, the back of vans in parking lots, or in open fields, with hooks and hangers??? OR do you want the abortion to occur within the confines of a medical facility prepared to do such an operation?
Answer THAT question!