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California memorial cross found unconstitutional

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posted on Jan, 5 2011 @ 09:46 PM
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LOS ANGELES (Reuters) – A federal appeals court ruled on Tuesday that a San Diego war memorial marked by a four-story-tall Christian cross on public land violates the U.S. constitutional ban on government endorsement of religion. Capping a legal dispute brewing since the late 1980s, the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals reversed a lower-court decision that threw out a legal challenge to the hilltop cross brought on behalf of Jewish war veterans.


I am sickened by this lawsuit, brought on Jewish veterans. I bet if there was a Star of David there, they'd have no problem with it.
People, get over yourselves!




posted on Jan, 5 2011 @ 09:52 PM
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This one seems a bit shady on both sides of the issue Homer...


The site of the 43-foot-tall cross overlooking the Pacific was acquired from the city of San Diego by the federal government through eminent domain in 2006.
The transfer was authorized in legislation passed by Congress and signed into law by then-President George W. Bush after the city was ordered to remove the cross under a previous court challenge.
The first cross on Mount Soledad was erected in 1913 but was replaced in the 1920s with another one that blew down in 1952. In 1954, a third, larger cross was installed.
The site served as a gathering place for annual Easter services and was designated as a war memorial in the late 1980s only after the legal dispute was initiated.



posted on Jan, 5 2011 @ 10:18 PM
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What about all the OTHER crosses on federal property, so-called "war memorials...."


....All the crosses in Arlington National Cemetery.



posted on Jan, 5 2011 @ 10:27 PM
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Originally posted by dr_strangecraft
What about all the OTHER crosses on federal property, so-called "war memorials...."


....All the crosses in Arlington National Cemetery.


Arlington National Cemetery approved Gravestone Emblems. Its individuals choice.

www.arlingtoncemetery.net...



posted on Jan, 5 2011 @ 10:37 PM
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All the crosses in Arlington National Cemetery
Our Godless leaders need time to change them crosses to foot stones.
You love God, your the ememy these days. We were told (Bible)
these things would happen in the end times.



posted on Jan, 7 2011 @ 04:38 AM
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You know, this is one of those issues that I got to scratch my head about. I don't really see the problem in the cross staying where it is. From what I understand it's not really hurting anyone, it's not exactly that offensive and in my opinion doesn't really matter.

Some people get uppity over the silliest of things.



posted on Jan, 7 2011 @ 04:48 AM
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There are no crosses at Arlington National Cemetary. Common misconception.


CX

posted on Jan, 7 2011 @ 05:20 AM
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There is a US constitutional ban on governmental religious endorsment?

How does that work with the whole "In God we trust" on the money then?

CX.


CX

posted on Jan, 7 2011 @ 05:23 AM
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Originally posted by glome
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There are no crosses at Arlington National Cemetary. Common misconception.


I'm a Brit and certainly no expert on the subject, but....do a Google search for "Crosses at Arlington Cemetary", there are quite a few.

www.google.co.uk...

CX.
edit on 7/1/11 by CX because: (no reason given)



posted on Jan, 7 2011 @ 09:32 AM
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Originally posted by CX

Originally posted by glome
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There are no crosses at Arlington National Cemetary. Common misconception.


I'm a Brit and certainly no expert on the subject, but....do a Google search for "Crosses at Arlington Cemetary", there are quite a few.

www.google.co.uk...

CX.


There are no crosses as headstones. It is the individuals choice what symbol will be on the headstone. There are a few memorial crosses with permission. The pictures of all the basic crosses is a special symbolic temporary memorial (put up once a year I think). Because it is symbolic and not specific individuals - - they've used the universal cross. (not saying I agree - just the facts)



posted on Jan, 7 2011 @ 09:35 AM
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Absolutely ridiculous! A cross is not an endorsement of religion. And big surprise as to who initiated the lawsuit, huh? I cannot believe there are people alive still buying into the divisive theory of organized religion.



posted on Jan, 7 2011 @ 09:39 AM
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What about the government allowing the right to freedom of one's own right to express their religion?



posted on Jan, 7 2011 @ 10:36 AM
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This one looks pretty permanent to me, having been erected in 1921....







Argonne Cross

Through the efforts of the Argonne Unit American Womens Legion, the Argonne Cross was erected to their memory and in their honor. It is situated in the southwest corner of Section 18 and faces east. A grove of 19 pine trees are on 3 sides of the Cross (North, West and South). These trees are symbolic of the Argonne Forest where many of the men fought. At the juncture of the arm and stem of the cross is carved, in low relief, an eagle and wreath. The inscription on the east side of the base reads: IN MEMORY OF OUR MEN IN FRANCE 1917 1918 The inscription on the west side of the base reads: ERECTED * THROUGH * THE * EFFORTS * OF * THE ARGONNE * UNIT * AMERICAN * WOMENS * LEGION

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posted on Jan, 7 2011 @ 10:42 AM
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Originally posted by CX
There is a US constitutional ban on governmental religious endorsment?

How does that work with the whole "In God we trust" on the money then?

CX.


Because the money is owned by the Federal Reserve, a private bank, not the US Government.



posted on Jan, 7 2011 @ 10:53 AM
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Originally posted by dr_strangecraft
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This one looks pretty permanent to me, having been erected in 1921....



I said there were a few memorial crosses by permission.



posted on Jan, 7 2011 @ 12:23 PM
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Yes, you did, and were right. I was mistaken---it was "glome" who wrote




There are no crosses at Arlington National Cemetary. Common misconception.



sorry about the mixup.

Still fairly interesting. If it is "Art," then it is free-speech protected. If it is "Established Religion" then it is odious and an offense to sensibilities.

Maybe the feds in California should invest in a big jar of urine for that cross they were so thoughtlessly stuck with....



posted on Jan, 7 2011 @ 12:29 PM
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I say, get rid of ALL of the ridiculous religious nonsense out there everywhere.

You can have all the "freedom of religion" that you want, just keep the NONSENSE to YOURSELVES!!! Theres your freedom of religion. I, and MANY others, ALSO want freedom of religion... freedom [color=skyblue]FROM HEARING OR SEEING any of the ridiculous religion's symbols and nonsense.

Keep it to yourselves. Religion and its symbols are nothing but problems anyways. Do away with all of it.
edit on 7-1-2011 by pplrnuts because: (no reason given)



posted on Jan, 7 2011 @ 12:35 PM
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Why are you under the misconception that there are no crosses at Arlington? Easily proven wrong. Ummmm... Check facts perhaps?

www.arlingtoncemetery.mil... This link is from their website.



posted on Jan, 7 2011 @ 12:37 PM
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Originally posted by pplrnuts
I say, get rid of ALL of the ridiculous religious nonsense out there everywhere.

You can have all the "freedom of religion" that you want, just keep the NONSENSE to YOURSELVES!!! Theres your freedom of religion. I, and MANY others, ALSO want freedom of religion... freedom [color=skyblue]FROM HEARING OR SEEING any of the ridiculous religion's symbols and nonsense.

Keep it to yourselves. Religion and its symbols are nothing but problems anyways. Do away with all of it.
edit on 7-1-2011 by pplrnuts because: (no reason given)



So, you're just one more person telling OTHER people how they should behave, and what they shouldn't do....


Like some kind of fanatic or something...



posted on Jan, 7 2011 @ 12:50 PM
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Originally posted by dr_strangecraft

Originally posted by pplrnuts
I say, get rid of ALL of the ridiculous religious nonsense out there everywhere.

You can have all the "freedom of religion" that you want, just keep the NONSENSE to YOURSELVES!!! Theres your freedom of religion. I, and MANY others, ALSO want freedom of religion... freedom [color=skyblue]FROM HEARING OR SEEING any of the ridiculous religion's symbols and nonsense.

Keep it to yourselves. Religion and its symbols are nothing but problems anyways. Do away with all of it.
edit on 7-1-2011 by pplrnuts because: (no reason given)



So, you're just one more person telling OTHER people how they should behave, and what they shouldn't do....


Like some kind of fanatic or something...


Religion belongs in the minds of the deluded and serves no good being displayed in public.

For cripes sakes, religious texts even forbid its members to make idols of anything or cater to such nonsense of symbols anyways. But the hypocrites do anyways. Most do not even know whats in their silly religious scripts anyway, nor follow any of it that actually may be good. Most just take their nonsense in from degenerate pastors and priests who are among the worst scum on the planet.

Keep it all to yourselves religious folks, the world needs none of it.
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