Jewish conference calls for "building Third Temple on ruins of Al-Aqsa Mosque"

Originally posted by Djarums
I have a few issues with this article.

1)

Ultra-orthodox Hasidim have become more active in recent weeks, targeting Al-Aqsa Mosque, desecrating it and working towards its "Judaization".

If Al-Aqsa was desecrated by anyone, there would be an instant declaration of war. To say that it has been targeted and desecrated is very different than saying someone held a conference. This is hideously irresponsible reporting.

2)

In a press release, the Foundation said that Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is behind these calls.

It is quite clear to anyone who has spent time studying the dynamics of Middle East politics that saying the Netanyahu is behind Hasidic activists is about the same as saying Barack Obama is producing Sarah Palin's reality show. The secular Israelis and the Ultra Orthodox Hasidim despise each other. The seculars are nationalistic whereas the Hasidim believe that the Israeli state is an abomination. This has been even been shown here on ATS where many of our members have linked to Hasidic websites regarding Torah vs. Zionism and organizations such as nkusa.org

3)

Right-wing Israeli groups have demanded that the Israeli Prime Minister makes the necessary arrangements with the police so that Jews can pray inside Al-Aqsa.

Some ultra-orthodox Jews say that it is forbidden for Jews to pray anywhere with Al-Aqsa Sanctuary as they have no idea where the "Holy of Holies" lies; historically, only the High Priest of the temple was allowed to enter that inner sanctum.

A bit of a contradiction? Secular Israelis sometimes take tours up to the Temple Mount, which are permitted as long as they don't pray per an agreement with the Waqf, the body that governs Al-Aqsa. Religious Israelis, however, will not ascend the Temple Mount for the reason stated in the article.

The first statement is saying they're demanding to pray there, while the second statement acknowledges that they will not even go there. I'm not sure exactly how that would work.

This is a very poorly written and factually empty article. I've read it numerous times before posting this and simply can not accept the fact that it was written by someone with even the slightest bit of familiarity with the situation in Israel/Palestine. Sad.

edit on Jan 5th 2011 by Djarums because: added numbers for clarity

You are only partially correct in your post. 1. The Neturi Katra Hassids consider Secular Israel to be an abomination. But, they are a Minority among the Hassid Jews. The Majority of Hassidic Jews do not consider Secular Israel an abomination and Hassidic Jews serve in the Israeli Armed Forces. Orthodox Jews also tour the Temple Mount, but they stay only on the outer fringes inside the Temple Enclosure. Rabbi Chaim Richman of The Temple Institute leads tours of the Temple Mount. Videos of his tours are posted on the web. He is an Orthodox Rabbi.

Originally posted by SeekerofTruth101
This is crazy!

A man made structure that would doom the precious lives of thousands to honour our Creator? He has no need for pathetic stones and would value the gift of life and love given to his creations more.

My thoughts exactly.

I'm not against religion per se, but to tie your spirituality to a construction project is not just anachronism, it's barbaric. Somebody already said it smacks of idolatry, I totally agree it's just as absurd.

Before the Temple can be re-established in Jerusalem there is a tiny catch. First, the Tabernacle, the Ark of the Covenant, the Kohanim , Judges and Counselors will be re-established at Gilgal. "I will restore thy Judges as at the beginning and thy councilors as at the beginning." This was when the Israelites first entered the Promised Land and when King David re-established the Kingdom at Gilgal after Absalom's coup against him. Jerusalem is not yet worthy to rebuild the Temple. Although, it is a Commandment to build the House of G-D for each generation. The Moslems will not allow the Jews to bring the Tabernacle, once it is recovered to the Temple Mount.

Originally posted by buddhasystem

Originally posted by SeekerofTruth101
This is crazy!

A man made structure that would doom the precious lives of thousands to honour our Creator? He has no need for pathetic stones and would value the gift of life and love given to his creations more.

My thoughts exactly.

I'm not against religion per se, but to tie your spirituality to a construction project is not just anachronism, it's barbaric. Somebody already said it smacks of idolatry, I totally agree it's just as absurd.

Atheism by replacing G-D with Reason, turns Reason into an Idol.

Originally posted by PGTWEED
Atheism by replacing G-D with Reason, turns Reason into an Idol.

Idol worshipping, by replacing Reason with idolatory, turns idolatory itself into an idol, an abomination considered by the Almighty.

Originally posted by St Udio


Imagine a massive building that would house both the Dome and the Jewish holy place, all under one roof...
but i'd guess then that the Christians would feel as outsiders

Maybe not if we built an enormous Christian Church on top of your suggested structure, housing the Jewish holy structure with the Dome in side that .......

Like a Russian doll ........


All joking aside St Udio, I would like to see the article you mentioned if you can ferret it out of your browser history.

I just thought that as an American, I'm sick and tired of being a hostage to somebody's sick imagination that dictates them that bloodshed is acceptable in order to build a structure at coordinates XYZ. The only reason the situation is as inflamed as it is, is the unwavering support of Israel by the US of A. Our security and money are wasted to provide the recreation of elite caste of priests, the Kohanim, half a planet away from Missouri, and them having fun in this hassidic Disneyland they are planning to build. Sheesh.

Originally posted by SeekerofTruth101
This is crazy!

A man made structure that would doom the precious lives of thousands to honour our Creator? He has no need for pathetic stones and would value the gift of life and love given to his creations more.

This is not way to honour Him. He seeks no sacrifice from anyone, least of all in blood.

Crazy or not, it has to happen anyway, it's prophesied in the bible and puts the end times into motion.

Originally posted by salty_wagyu
Crazy or not, it has to happen anyway

Oh no it don't.
Just a form of mental masturbation.

Who they are really waiting for is a chosen one to appear. And one little detail. According to the old testament there was supposed to be 3 chosen ones.

The black and the white horsemen of Zechariah. And Elijah the prophet per the book of Malachi.

There is still one missing.

Originally posted by ntech
Who they are really waiting for is a chosen one to appear. And one little detail. According to the old testament there was supposed to be 3 chosen ones.

The black and the white horsemen of Zechariah. And Elijah the prophet per the book of Malachi.

John, Paul, George and Ringo.

reply to post by SeekerofTruth101


First, you must prove religious people are worshipping Idols. Not very easy to do. Idol worship in its basic definition is the worship of anything in place of or above a Diety. Placing Reason in place of G-D, as Atheists do because they worship no gods. or G-D, is considered Idol Worship. Nice try, no cigar.

Originally posted by PGTWEED
reply to post by SeekerofTruth101

 

First, you must prove religious people are worshipping Idols. Not very easy to do. Idol worship in its basic definition is the worship of anything in place of or above a Diety. Placing Reason in place of G-D, as Atheists do because they worship no gods. or G-D, is considered Idol Worship. Nice try, no cigar.

Heck! proving supposedly religious people are worshipping only idols? That's a piece of cake. When you place far more importance to form than your daily acts towards other, that's idolatory. When you are truly in tune with the Almighty, His teachings and guidance are far more important and lays right in your heart, and whatever you do daily is only the reflection of His teachings

Uttering beautiful words before a congregation is senseless if it does not come from your heart, or if you take more pride in building a shed for the Almighty than being a reflection of his words to others.

And are you claiming that in seeking for reason, atheists or anyone else that does so is performing an idolatory act? You are the kind of person the Almighty does not want, for he seeks no robots or it would have been robots filling the Universe to take care of His creations.

He has given you free will, and the intelligence to debate within yourself on the course of action that you perform daily, to constantly question yourself if you are on the right path or the wrong one. And the only way to do so is to seek for reason and logic to such actions, if you had followed the guidiances laid out, or if you way is better without hurting or harming someone else.

Atheist too worships the Almighty, for they do listen to their hearts. Within their hearts lay divine teachings, learnt from young and experiences, a basic rule of never to do what you dont wish done to you to be done upon others. They may not acknowlege the Almighty yet, but one day they will, and are not lesser humans for it.

Religion is a personal journey, a special relationship between a son/daughter and a Father. You and I have that special relationship, and so will others, on their own free will and not enforced from yours or mine.

Originally posted by SeekerofTruth101
...Almighty does not want, for he seeks no robots

Verily, verily thou hast spoken. For it has been said that no robot shalt enter His Kingdom.

If they want to make room for a temple, all they need to do is send the building inspector up the mount. Have him look around and rack up a bunch of violations, then give them a week to comply before the wrecking crew comes in. "Yeah, too many violations, we've got to condemn for public safety."

reply to post by SeekerofTruth101


Seek The L-RD with All Thy Might and All Thy Soul. It does not say Seek Reason, Knowledge, Wisdom, Intellect with All Thy Might and All Thy Soul. G-D's Reason is vastly different than Men can comprehend. To paraphrase the Book of Job My ways are not your ways saith the L-RD. King Solomon dedicated the First Temple as a House of Prayer for All Nations. So, The Israelis have as much right to re-establish the Temple on the Temple Mount. By opposing the re-establishment of the Temple, you could be opposing G-D. G-D Loves Zion.

reply to post by Djarums


Thankyou! You pointed out all the complaints i had.

What do you expect from the ultra-pro arab and viciously anti-semitic middleastreporter.

In anycase, the alqsa mosque was built on the ruins of Two Jewish Temples. It was a Jewish site FIRST, and therefore it reasonably susceptible to being torn down.

And 2nd of All, Benjamin Natanyahu like all the liberal democratic nihilists in israeli government despise the haredi influence. why do you think they implemented the 'grandfather clause' allowing grandchildren of a Jewish male to immigrate to israel. Even if they arent Jewish or have a jewish parent. This swelled the gentile numbers in the country which gave greater political power to Likud and Labor and thus preventing the 50% of Israeli Jews who identify with tradition (25% of which are 'ultra orthodox') from exercizing their proportional influence.

Natanyahu is just another demagogue who btw is a secularist - and also non observant(he adheres to what is called 'reform judaism' which is a watered down westernized religion. and Not Torah) and therefore has no interest in rebuilding the 3rd Jewish Temple.

I know right now Chaim richman, director of international relations for the Temple institute is in America encouraging more Jews to immigrate to Israel aswell as discussing the recent activities of the temple institute.

Originally posted by dontreally
It was a Jewish site FIRST, and therefore it reasonably susceptible to being torn down.

Well, then tell us about Canaan. Was it not the land that the Jews occupied by slaughtering and driving out its inhabitants? Does that mean that Israel is reasonably susceptible to being torn down?

reply to post by buddhasystem


No. It atleast puts them on a level playing field.

If it was 'won' by the Jews by ousting the native Canaanite inhabitants (who contrary to pagan practice, were humanely given the choice to evacuate or make a treaty, as explained in Talmud Bavli) and settled for roughly 1500 years, from 1300 BCE to 200 CE, when Hadrian embarked on his extermination campaign in Judea, where he appropriated 40% of Romes leegions; killed 650,000 Jews, ransacked 985 towns and killed many of Judaism greatest teachers (by the way, the name 'palestine' was a name given to the province of Judea after the jewish revolt in order to denigrate them. Palestine being a mutation of the Hebrew, Philistim) than its aswell fair and justified for the Jews to oust the current inhabitants of Israel - given they chose to adopt the roman title for the land of Israel, which as any person knowledgeable of history knows was never a title of a people, but of an administrative district. Palestinians are ARABS - speakers of arabic who in truth were noamds localized to the transjordan before they laid claim to Israel.

Jews are HEBREWS - speakers of the ancient Hebrew language, and therefore anthropologically entitled to the land of Israel which has innumerable Hebrew named towns, cities, geographic areas, holy sites, which were transliterated into arabic (where these names have no meaning, whereas in hebrew they do) or in other cases names taken from latin and arabized (like Nablus, which is the arabs attempt at pronouncing the latin Napolis).