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Originally posted by CanadianDream420
Wild. I still don't get it tho.. U.S REALLY paid Israel to leave Gaza? When???
Examine the video again- One guy is pushed down, and the other drops down instead of running (which is just smarter) and then crawls to the right, if I'd say anyone was injured I'd say it's the guy that dropped, but you can clearly see him laying on the ground when they're lifting the wounded guy away..
And then the second shot, and no one even budges... They all get up as if nothing happened, even though they're still "under fire", and five minutes later they're all back to normal as if nothing happened, but they're still 'under fire'.. Seems unreasonable..
It just looks too much like they were waiting for a cue.. Like they're putting on a show.
What I really don't get is how there's no recording of the injured person. Notice how the intro text doesn't even say anyone was killed that day, it talks about a different incident where someone was killed.
It's all very confusing and I feel it's all a bit misleading and dishonest, the whole repeated "Why are you shooting" is an act of protest, not a real question, they know very well what the IDF's terms on engagement are..
The ricochet sounds have an echo to them, meaning they're coming from far away, a close ricochet will never have an echo, it's not possible, also it sounds like bullets hitting a metal target, not a wall.
Third Video..A waste of 4 minutes....Oh and it's not a farm, it's a field, and it's right on the frikkin' fence...
Fishing voyage? This is just an exploitation of people's lack of knowledge.. These boats go out for a few hours and come back.. The Israeli navy boats aren't trying to sink those ships, just to ward them off. The blockade is a bitch, but that's another discussion.
This is a perfect example of pallywood- You are shown a boat on fire, approached by a small Israeli boat, and all they really need to do is tell you that Israel did it.
Let's start with the fact that had this boat been shelled it would have had a giant hole in it and it would have drowned.
Let's continue with the fact that the Israeli boat we see is not even capable of shooting shells.
And end with the fact that the fire seems to be coming from the lower deck, and not the main deck where anything would have hit it.
It's more likely that one of those makeshift fires they used to cook the fish in video 4 toppled over and burned the boat then a shell from an Israeli boat.
But really, there's no way it could have been hit by an Israeli shell and not drown.
Originally posted by Ellen15
Originally posted by backinblack
reply to post by Ilovecatbinlady
What the leaks show is that despite what Israel was telling everyone, it DID hold back supplies..
Who'd of guessed that Israel would lie.???
YES Israel DID hold back supplies and CONTINUES to hold back supplies
US Government looks the other way because they've done the same thing to other countries
Originally posted by Ilovecatbinlady
Israel told US officials in 2008 it would keep Gaza's economy "on the brink of collapse" while avoiding a humanitarian crisis, according to U.S. diplomatic cables published by a Norwegian daily on Wednesday. Three cables cited by the Aftenposten newspaper, which has said it has all 250,000 U.S. cables leaked to WikiLeaks, showed that Israel kept the U.S. Embassy in Tel Aviv briefed on its internationally criticized blockade of the Gaza Strip.
The territory, home to 1.3 million Palestinians, is run by the Islamist Hamas group, which is shunned by the West over its refusal to recognize Israel, renounce violence or accept existing interim Israeli-Palestinian peace deals.
No doubt Israeli apologists and Zionists will give you all the reasons in the world why an occupied people should be put on a punishment regime that is collective punishment. By accepting their argument, you become complicit in the suffering of others.
It is worth remembering that the Nuremberg Principles specifically identified collective punishment as a war crime and crime against humanity. Most Americans are horrified at the current US recession and the unemployment figures reaching up over 10% yet the Zionist settler state claims that it wants to keep the Gaza economy "on the brink of collapse" while avoiding a humanitarian crisis.
A humanitarian crisis is what has happened in Haiti, the famine in Ethiopia in the 1980s was a humanitarian crisis and and the Hurricane Katrina in New Orleans was a humanitarian crisis . Israel wants to squeeze the Palestinians of Gaza but promises not to create a humanitarian crisis.
There is over 50% unemployment in Gaza, Israel allows candy bars through the blockade but not food or medicine. Once in a while Israel will allow a truck load of live and aged chickens through and then on another rotten vegetable. Where the Palestinian farm, the Israel steal the water but if they can't get the water they kill the farmers. Israel destroyed the fuel stores of the Palestinians in the 2008 Israel siege of Gaza and now controls what enters or leaves Gaza. Fishermen are not permitted to fish is the sea and the zionist navy kills them at sea.
Beach fishing has stopped because Israel has built pipework to transport the effluence for its towns and cities and releases it on the Gaza coast.
Israel killing Palestinian farmers
Israel killing Palestinian farmers
Israel declaring a farm an automatic kill zone
Israel killing fishermen
Israel burning the Palestinian fishing boats
Do you realise the US tax payers paid Israel billions to leave Gaza? The Zionists are still occupying it and no one knows where all those tax dollars went.edit on 5-1-2011 by Ilovecatbinlady because: typo
Farm/field whatever. You claim here is it 'right on the fence', so hold on a sec, Palestinians need to give up MORE land to Israel for an even larger buffer zone than they one they've already set? So what happens after that, a closer fence, a larger buffer zone, more land taken. It's their field. Surely you don't actually believe that they can't grow and gather crops from their own field just because it's within a certain distance from a probably illegal border?
All the settlements on occupied territory are considered illegal under international law, although Israel disputes this.
You really think these farmers have nothing better to do with their day than put on a play for us? It is possible to be shot without being killed you know. Perhaps he was wounded and not killed.
It seems to be that their rules of engagement are to shoot farmers collecting parsley.
Farm/field whatever. You claim here is it 'right on the fence', so hold on a sec, Palestinians need to give up MORE land to Israel for an even larger buffer zone than they one they've already set?
Well yes we do agree that the blockade is a bitch. The truth is that the area that Palestinian boats are allowed to fish in isn't far out enough to allow proper quotas, and it is common for them to be shot at before they even reach the 'allowed' border.
How it ended up on fire is speculation on both parts, so you calling this 'Pallywood' and saying the makeshift fire is more likely the cause is just as biased as anyone saying it was Israeli shells.
I can tell you for a fact that it isn't, even more than that- You're not allowed to shoot at anything unless you're 100% sure of a weapon and an intent to hurt.
But really, if that sniper wanted to kill them, don't you think he would've easily killed more of them?
You're right, and that's the point of these protests, but you can't deny the fact that at this distance anyone could just open fire and kill those soldiers, using the farmers as cover. You see the soldier's dilemma? Let them farm closer at the risk of your own life. And they let them, at the risk of their own lives.
It's their land..If the Israelis are so worried about being shot on the border then maybe THEY should not patrol it with heavily armed men..
BTW, how many Israelis have been shot across the border and how many Palistinians.?
Originally posted by Pervius
Israel is blockading the Gaza Coast and keeping the Palestinians out of that area because....
Natural Gas was found just off the coast of Gaza and ISRAEL is stealing that from the Palestinians.
Can't have the Palestinians with natural gas or money from it.....Israeli's are STEALING.
Only God will be able to stop them. Not even GOD himself could. Whatever God tried to throw at Israel they could shoot down with the Phalanx, Arrow, Patriot, Aegis, THAAD, or directed energy missile defense systems.
Thus their stealing will continue unhindered. Not even God could stop them.
Your problem is you have no idea what combat is, if you had spent one day on both sides of the fence maybe you'd have understood how innocents can get hurt unintentionally in combat situations.
It's nothing like the computer game you must think it to be.
Originally posted by Eliad
reply to post by backinblack
Your arguments are all over the place, we weren't talking about the balance of powers, we were talking about how innocents get injured due to errors, bad calls, and disregards of the rules. You just ignore anything you can't refute..
You really do see this conflict as some kind of computer game, don't you? This whole conflict is probably one big game to you.. Something to do to pass the time, isn't it?
How can I explain to you what war is, when you can't see past what's "fair"? There's no fair in war, there's only death. Come live a day in an Israeli soldier's shoes, I dare you.
I think it IS a game for the Israelis though.. They are in control and make their own rules..
I do note that you call it a "war", something Israel is NOT prepared to do as it would change the rules they have written..
BTW, I'd rather spend a month in an Israeli soldiers shoes than a day in a Palistinians shoes..