Hi Trevor and thanks for the explanation about the levers. I've been taught that couldn't work but I'm open-minded enough to look at a model
someone builds that would demonsrate otherwise to me.
Originally posted by GeoGenny
I am a realist that knows Over unity is imposable and always will be, my devices use free energy from gravity to give a greater output from the
devices, more than THE PAID FOR ENRGY INPUT to drive them. All the energy used in the devices and there greater output will be accounted for even the
friction loses, so guess what they even comply with the energy laws, laws of physics, and mechanical laws!
Actually, there is a way to
generate electricity from gravity, or specifically, the gravity coupled rotational inertia of the Earth-moon system, so the idea of extracting energy
from gravity isn't impossible, but this method concerns me slightly because it's not really "free" in that the energy extracted could actually
affect the rotational period of the Earth/moon system, though if the energy extracted is small so is the rotational change.
Tidal energy generator to be built in Northern Ireland
They're building it and it's a real technology but if they overdo it I could see the length of a day increasing from 24 hours to 25 hours or more,
but they'd really have to build a lot to do that. Then again I wouldn't have thought we could overfish all the world's oceans but we seem to be
well on the way to doing that if we haven't done it already.
The reason I mention that is because I want you to know I don't think extracting energy from gravity is completely impossible, as that real project
illustrates and gravity is a big part of it along with the rotational inertia of the Earth and Moon. Hydroelectric power plants generate electricity
from gravity via falling water, but we need the sun's energy to evaporate the fallen water so it can fall as rain again above the dam. So again,
it's not impossible, but we can explain exactly how it works and where the energy comes from.
We can't explain how your Geo Genny or any other self-powered wheel would work however. Everything that gravity pulls down on one side of the wheel,
must be elevated on the opposite side of the wheel, AGAINST the force of gravity. It's the opposite of the old saying "what goes up, must come down.
With the wheel, what goes down (on one side) must go back up (on the other side) and in theory, the work of lifting it back up cancels out any energy
you gained on the side where it comes down. So no, your device would not "comply with the energy laws, laws of physics, and mechanical laws!" Or at
least you have not been able to adequately explain how it could do so which I mentioned in my first post in this thread. Let's look at an example of
A car is at the top of a hill (or a ball or some other weight, maybe on a lever, is at the top of a wheel as in the Geo Genny). Let the car roll down
the hill, and if you attach generators to the axles you can generate electricity from the force of gravity pulling the car down the hill. It's also
possible to extract energy from the rotating wheel when the weight at the top rotates down to the bottom. So we've turned the potential energy into
electrical energy, thanks to gravity. But the problem we are faced with, is how do we do it again? With the car, you have to push it back up to the
top of the hill. This will use up more energy than you got out of it when it rolled down the hill. The ball or lever on the wheel is exactly the same,
when you push the ball on a lever from the bottom of the wheel back up to the top, you've had to give back all the energy you extracted. The laws of
physics say it's impossible to do otherwise so if you can build a self powered Geo Genny we will indeed have to rewrite the laws of physics to
explain how it works.
But we've had to rewrite some scientific laws before so I hesitate to say it's impossible, if you think you have an idea that works you will just
have to finish building it and demonstrate to yourself and the rest of us one way or the other.
Originally posted by aoi3610
I've been trying to SHOVE this down ATS users throats now for 11 days.
Throat shoving isn't welcome. You already have your own thread about
that. Please don't hijack someone else's thread, that's really bad form.
This thread is about Trevor's Geo Genny, let's keep that the topic of this thread please.