Highest alert level in southwest Netherlands

Great I just read an article that says, they will not make the list of chemicals involved public.

The reason given for it is a possible law case in the future.

Come on ! like it matters what kind of chemicals went up in smoke... every single one is one to many.

I haven't heared much more then that woman on the radio, but this cover-up is done before.
Where I live we had also a chemical fire in 2000 the article is in dutch sorry couldn't find english version.

www.trouw.nl...

It was all over the news for several days when suddenly Enschede had that firework disaster. After that no more news about the chemical fire. Like they covered it all up.

reply to post by DutchBigBoy


Wow... I never been interested back then, but I've always watched at least one news report and one paper and I can't even remember it happened at all.

They just used Enschede in their advantage.

It included aromatic hydrocarbons, naphthalene, toluene and benzene, carcinogenic substances.
Monsanto's Roundup was one of the products that were being packed.
zaplog.nl...

The site is offline, but google has cache
www.chemiepack.nl...

Originally posted by godddd
It included aromatic hydrocarbons, naphthalene, toluene and benzene, carcinogenic substances.
Monsanto's Roundup was one of the products that were being packed.
zaplog.nl...

The site is offline, but google has cache

www.chemiepack.nl...

Nope. Not even cached. I get this:

Not Found
The requested URL /nederlands/historie.html was not found on this server.

Apache/1.3.37 Server at www.chemiepack.nl Port 80


This is how the internet will be censored.....by following a lot of us around. Little by little as we find the damning evidence in many stories, it will be erased forever.

reply to post by Alethea


They are in cache

webcache.googleusercontent.com...JgWbVGV-qUJ:www.chemiepack.nl/nederlands/kwaliteit.html+chemiepack&cd=3&hl=nl&ct=clnk&gl=nl

Lots of talk about permits and certificates, also that the company has a waterproof floor and is deepened.
rivers among the company are contaminated, so dispite all the certificates, lots of damage to the environment.

The link doen't work when i post it, so use google and find them

Whenever a state/government says "everything is fine", NEVER take their word for it!

Have people learned absolutely nothing from history?

These people are bureaucrats, their specialists and science staff are paid by them to make all the right noises. Whatever they tell you means absolutely nothing. Trust your instincts and follow what you believe to be the right course of action.

It's sometimes funny to see the confusion on these forums. On one subject people will show a complete lack of trust in the authorities, and in others they'll blindly follow what those same authorities say.

Oh, and I saw mention of some of the chemicals being used in food and perfume, and that therefore it is "safe"?
No chemical compound is completely safe.
Everything in an extreme dose will do you harm. Consume enough sugar, salt, fruit, water... and you will harm your health. When we're talking about inhaling chemical substances manufactured by man, the risks are considerable.

It would be interesting to see a complete list of all the chemical substances that are now restricted and controlled which were once deemed to be harmless. There are undoubtedly thousands of them.

I just heared on the news (Hart van Nederland) that cancer causing toxics went into the water. I'll post more in a few minutes.

reply to post by Jonko


They did.

Funny, there was and is no threat to our health, ohh but do not eat vegetables out of your garden, and the list of chemicals remain secret.

Today around 150 people who were at the fire are complaining about health problems. Complaints are burning eyes, skin problems and irritation of the airways (not the planes but the throat).

www.nu.nl...

Officially it is still said that measurements showed there were no dangerous levels of anything in the air because of the fire. However it is also clear that firefighters have been standing in toxic smoke and people have been walking through heavily contaminated water.

The police have started an investigation after all the complaints.

It kinda makes you wonder what's more important to the authorities .. avoiding a nationwide panic because of possible toxic smoke, or keeping people healthy ..

Officially there weren't any toxics in the smoke at the 911 site either if i recall correctly.

Some links regarding the aftermath of the chemical blaze last week.

From old to new.

Don't eat home-grown veg, people living close to chemical blaze are told

Chemical blaze smoke contained a 'cocktail' of dangerous compounds

Results of chemical fire soot analysis due next week

Chemical blaze emergency workers to get special health checks

They have not yet translated the latest news which says that the public will not be subjected to a health check.
They are told to see their doctor.
They can write down every health complaint there, but this will not be part of an investigation. They say that they will use it to asses if it is related to the event or not.

In my opinion this is exactly the kind of thing I do not mind paying taxes for. I say go and investigate !!
The more experts the better... But No... They rather use my money for another Afghan mission.

This is IMO only in favor of insurance companies who can easily deny their clients responsibility when they are expected to pay for it. After all it is easy to say that accusations from an event that took place in the past are not related with someones current health...

Well... I might be exaggerating about it, but IMO it is ridiculous they do not have a full health investigation on the people, that have to live in that mess 24/7. This will only lead to individuals that have to fight for years for the losses they get from the event.
The public should demand such research. I will personally remind anyone I speak to that lives in the area, to log everything they experience with date and time. It will be useful when they need to prove their claims caused by the disaster.

Anyway... This gets me a little upset so...

Thank you all for the support and participating and lets hope that this will not lead to a cover up in the future.

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Originally posted by BarmyBilly
Oh man, not good.

Lets hope you are all ok in Holland!

Dittos!

Important Update

He you go ! The list of chemicals that were stocked in Moerdijk.

List of chemicals Pdf

If the link does not work or the site is no longer in existence, I have copied the whole thing. All you need to do is ask.

reply to post by Sinter Klaas


The link works fine ... and ill go though the list later when i have more time...

Moerdijk Ground Zero

The Aftermath images:





View them here in original size:

Today I found an image that shows how the smoke cloud spread across the Netherlands.

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/38fe0594234b.jpg[/atsimg]

Foto: BRON: het BOT-mi Rapport

Disturbing enough it also covers the town I live...
The Dark color is where the smoke was the most toxic.

reply to post by Sinter Klaas


good god, that's unspeakable. It sounds like your government has no real response at all. How many people are reported as being affected? How are you doing, personally? Are area hospitals offering health screenings for poisoning or contamination?

I'm so sorry for your tragedy. Please continue to post news for us.