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posted on Jan, 6 2011 @ 09:49 AM
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Here is the Company Logo, the text underneath translates as:

"..safe/reliable handling of chemical products.."



According to SpitsNieuws at least 0,5 milion KiloGrams of toxic products was stored there. These are poisonous, cause cancer, and mutilation and infertility-problems.

Full Article with link to table/chart of what was stored there:

SpitsNieuws Article


Originally posted by Djonko
reply to post by Amsterdam
 
..Thanks for that image, it's pretty disturbing..


You are welcome.
edit on 6-1-2011 by Amsterdam because: Embedded the images, instead of 'Link to External image'




posted on Jan, 6 2011 @ 10:28 AM
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Good luck and good thoughts to you folks there dealing with this mess. I used to work with acids in a college lab and even if they are safe as food additives or in the case even of the generally beneficial aspirin, if inhaled as a vapor they can be harmful irritants, so do take care.



posted on Jan, 6 2011 @ 10:36 AM
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This morning there was a woman on the radio talking about going to work close to the fire. She wasn't able to reach her work but got out of her car and smelled the awfull sent of the chemicals. She got within minutes headache and became naucious.



posted on Jan, 6 2011 @ 10:43 AM
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Hey brother, i pray for you guys out there, hopefully nothing happens to anyone in the area or things get worse!

Yes i think you should try to keep yourself indoors, get a mouthmask cover or something if you need to go out.

Good luck and good health to you for the future mate!



posted on Jan, 6 2011 @ 11:57 AM
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500.000 kilo chemicals... No health risk my behind



reply to post by Amsterdam
 


Thanks Amsterdam for the pics and links.

reply to post by DutchBigBoy
 


Hey big boy.

Have you heard more about that woman yet, or maybe others with similar complains.

reply to post by Djonko
 



What really bugs me is that when a chemical plant burns to the ground, they say it doesn't pose a health risk, but when I light a cigarette it's a big health risk.....


You are so right. Standards between citizens and governments are very different.

reply to post by Alex505
 


Please take good care and don't take their no risk for health serious. Ik geloof er niets van.



posted on Jan, 6 2011 @ 12:25 PM
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If there's one thing we have all learned from the world trade centers going down and the BP oil spill.
NEVER trust anyone no matter how official they are saying everything is ok, no harm detected.

Smoke was all ok with the trade centers: now everyone is dieing that was a first responder.
BP: well enough said.

I remember watching them go down live on tv, and thinking how bad that stuff was to breathe in, watching live broadcasts of people just wading through heavy dust. Concrete dust on it's own is hazardous to breathe in, let alone all the asbestos and god knows what else particles were in that dust. And then they came on tv saying it was ok, no danger of breathing it in and I spit my water out all over the place like "WHAT!?". Seriously!? How could you be so stupid.

Use your head, if it's a chemical plant or something equally unsafe, and there's a fire anywhere near that building, take every precaution you can or evacuate if you have time.

People make mistakes, or just don't realize things until it's too late. But for me personally, I'm not going to trust some one's "guess" until they have gone in and done a damage assessment.

Just use your head!
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posted on Jan, 6 2011 @ 01:02 PM
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If your close to this at all, get out now. Better to be safe then sorry. Who knows what is pouring into the air from that place. Good luck to all of you and be safe!



posted on Jan, 6 2011 @ 01:12 PM
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Actually to give you an idea...

I live in the center and it takes 1 hour to the coast 45 min to Germany 2 hours to the far North as well as far South.

It's a small country.

I'm save thank you.



posted on Jan, 6 2011 @ 01:36 PM
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This may sound real weird, but I called my best friend because I was feeling a weird sensation in my lower lip/lower front teeth.

The only way I can describe it is that it's like when you taste raw cake batter, and the yeast (?) is reacting and you have this weird tingling feeling in your lip.

Now I asked him if he had noticed anything since the fire, I didn't tell him I was feeling anything, and he told me that he was feeling pretty lightheaded and he had the same tingling sensation.

Maybe it's just imagineation, I dunno....



posted on Jan, 6 2011 @ 01:52 PM
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You sir are not a chemist, nor do you have any understanding whatsoever about what occurs when a chemical burns or reacts. So don't tell people something is safe because it makes you look like an idiot. I'm not calling you stupid, but to speak such blatant lies sure makes you look like stupid's cousin.

When a chemical burns, it changes into another chemical, so it may have been a food additive, which to your thinking somehow that makes it okay to breathe? But now it has been changed into something else, something which you have no idea what it is, neither does anyone else on earth, and only a lab can tell us humans what is in the fire. One thing is for sure, this world is full of people who don't mind showing their ignorance to the rest of us, even when their words could lead to another precious human being's death or sickness.

Point: If you are not a chemist, then zip the lips!



posted on Jan, 6 2011 @ 02:40 PM
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Have officials determined how far this cloud is going to travel? Hopefully this won't affect other places in the Netherlands, let alone other countries...

And stay safe. All the best wishes to you!



posted on Jan, 6 2011 @ 02:52 PM
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I am not too surprised at the blatant lying about the carcenogenic nature of the chemicals. The Netherlands have a rather "colourful" history as far as environmental misdeeds go.

Google "Lekkerkerk" where they had to completely dig away a whole town, due to the extremely poisonous nature of the soil. Used as a chemical dump in the 70's. No-one said a word when they started building there. The project developers acted as if they didn't know why the plots were so damn cheap. The government didn't care, as long as business wasn't hurt.

Same for the exploding fire-work factory/storage. Enschede looked as if the Germans had returned. Gov. knew that it would be dangerous, but reckless lobbying had convinced them of the contrary. No-one ,except some poor fall-guy, was ever convicted. No-one in the municipality, no-one in government.

I lived and worked in The Netherlands for 13 years. I know business ALWAYS comes first for them. The Dutch business peeps were the first to start handing out bonuses to CEO's, even while the crisis was in full-bloom... only when a left-wing politician started to cry foul, did they scurry back under their stones. Business lobbyists were the first to try to get the Netherlands to lower benefits. They were, thankfully, kicked around pretty bad by the EU-court and shut up, but they will try again. ARE trying again, with "The Crisis" as an excuse.. Same as in America. Where was the crisis when they started handing-out hundreds of thousands of bonus-Euro's to Bank CEO's??? (So You know: ING, a powerful Dutch bank, was knee-deep in American sub-prime mortgages!)

Sad thing is, due to their unscrupulous business instinct, the Dutch do very well, despite the crisis. I had to deal with them on many an occasion. They are tough as nails if business is involved. Make no mistake, they are no wishy-washy "Socialists" they are stone-cold pragmatists who will gladly sacrifice a whole town to save a corporation.

An Illustration:

They are the only ones in Europe that succeeded in privatizing healthcare and healthcare insurance the way Obama aspires to. Even Bush has been in contact with the Dutch government to study their system.

The end result? They went from NHS-like, single-payer costs and system to the insurance industry-pushed system Obama wants us to adapt. Costs for the average Dutchman sky rocketed from $30.- pp pm and no co-pays, to $150.- a month premium. and what they call "own risk" of $200.- a year(and ,as I heard ,about to rise to $400.- a month for hospitalization. They already ripped-out dentistry completely.)

Still peanuts compared to The States, but...from $30.- to $150.-??? And healthcare didn't improve..nope, costs and waiting-times exploded but good! Why? Simple: Insurance industry forced layer upon layer of management-know-nothings on Hospitals, Physicians ,Dentists etc. that gobbled-up tons of pork...

Why? Corporations had "convinced" the government that health care became un affordable, and privatization was their only rescue........ Corporations do exactly the same if environmental issues are at stake: Ignore the environment, let us do what we do, or suffer!
Luckily they bit off more than they could chew, People got really angry. So the Government complied with the popular sentiments and implemented the most rigorous regulation to the Corporations had ever experienced. It made their heads spin, and seriously regret the day they started to push privatization.

The Dutch Government is made-up of shrude, ruthless traders that know, when You feed them, clothe them and give 'em a sufficient roof over their head, the common Joe&Jill are not too willing to get up on the barricades. That's the ONLY reason their social system is rather good, and you will not see poverty. Again, due to pure pragmatism.

Do not get me wrong. It's great country to live. Politicians and common Dutchies are two, completely different, beasties. People are pretty happy, though a bit grumpy every now&then. Liberal in their thinking, low crime, fairly good unemployment benefits, to name some, but one must be prepared to close one's eyes&ears to the utter corruptness of Bizz CEO's and those in the Government they are in cahoots with. Here, ignorance is bliss.
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posted on Jan, 6 2011 @ 05:19 PM
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I really dont want to live around that area.
When it rain = bad bad



posted on Jan, 6 2011 @ 05:31 PM
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Originally posted by operation mindcrime
Homepage of the company in question:

chemiepack

Been looking for some inventory list....still looking.

Peace


They are censoring the information right behind you.
The page is no longer found.
I hope you can give us some info on what chemicals were stored.
If you found what these chemicals are used for or where they are transported to or from, we might be able to track what they are from those sources.



posted on Jan, 6 2011 @ 05:33 PM
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Originally posted by BarmyBilly
Oh man, not good.

Lets hope you are all ok in Holland!


What do you think? Zillion of liters chemicals up in the air, government says: all is ok! no dangerous stuff measured in the air
Yea, right! Fairytales!!! Duh! Officials say to ppl to stay in, don't let kids play in the playground, where tiny dark smoke residu has covered the streets, kids playgrounds, cars etc etc ....

They should have stated that the outcome of their air/chem-particles measurements were till today (barely) within the limits of tolarance. Chemparticles high up in the air will indeed scatter but will eventually come down somewhere .....

The groundwater in the area is poisioned
It has been raining since yesterday ... RIVM is trying to clean groundwater ...

Are we all ok in Holland? Nope .... since we have no clue what and when chemresidu will enter our water / food / air .... in the long term.



posted on Jan, 6 2011 @ 05:48 PM
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You sir, are completely right. I'm going to protest this saturday though


demotilburg.wordpress.com...

(the title translated is roughly, "break the power of excessive capitalism, we all have to live and have a roof above our heads!"

And the second blue page under that says;

Do you want:

- Student financial aid to stay as it is?
- To be able to retire in the future?
- Your health to be more important then the profits of a corporation?
- Low rent houses (for the poorer people) to be built, instead of destroyed?
- An immediate end to the decline of personal freedoms and privacy

Are you sick of the fact that the government does have money for the banks, but not for healthcare, culture or education? Have you had enough of the fact that the government has money to build buildings that noone needs, that they have money for evictions, but not for building houses?

Enough is enough, no more cutting in culture, healthcare and education. The resistance against the logic of capitalism is growing throughout Europe.

Come protest and let your voice be heard!

p.s Sorry for grammar errors/ off-topic



posted on Jan, 6 2011 @ 05:52 PM
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I have family in Maastricht area... hope all is ok.



posted on Jan, 6 2011 @ 05:55 PM
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prayers for all of you under the cloud stay safe and don't be afraid to leave!

second line same as the first



posted on Jan, 6 2011 @ 06:05 PM
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Aha! Now there's the spirit! Good for You. I hope You'll get many people standing beside You. Dutchies CAN get quite active if the need arises. Something I always admired in them. When push comes to shove, they move like lightning, despite their prudent nature.

Here's hoping the wind will blow it all to sea, and will thin the fumes enough to be harmless.



posted on Jan, 7 2011 @ 05:44 AM
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Originally posted by lavenlaar
I have family in Maastricht area... hope all is ok.


They're safe. Maastricht is like 100 miles to the southeast.

I am still having headaches.. and it still smells like burned plastic with paint.

People all over the region are reporting soot particles. But the government says they didn't found it.

Btw, yesterday, there was an interview on TV. With an retired firebrigade chief, from the town of Moerdijk, who couldn't understand why the authorities did not evacuate the cities under the smoke.

And today, there is an expert, saying that all imaginable toxic substances were released during the fire. But he is not an government official.
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