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Originally posted by SaturnFX
11 seconds in and they have stated the largest misconception.
Lets take a rundown of how the "liberals" want to decide for people in comparison and you will see which side actually is far more controlling of a person
Libs on Abortion:
Let the woman decide
Libs on death penelty:
Do not decide who dies
Libs on Economy:
Protect the people from corporations (this is a point of contention and the area most debated about)
Libs on education:
Fund local schools, let free market decide where the child goes (public or private).
Libs on stem cell research:
Let experimentation continue unhindered
Libs on euthanasia
Let a person DECIDE ON THEIR OWN LIFE!
Libs on environment:
Our kids might like trees and air...lets save em
Gun control:
Split. Ultimately, nobody needs a nuclear bomb in their personal arsenal. Some regulations needed
Health Care:
Government has a role to regulate crushing industry that hurts the economy. the health of citizens is part of that when insurance companies only allow for the rich to get treatment.
Homeland Security:
Draconian secret police and naziesque measures to clamp down on citizens must be eradicated.
Immigration:
"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
Religion:
Government should not tell us which or any deities or ceremonies we should observe. That is a personal decision that should be out of officals hands.
Same sex marriage:
Why is government in the game of observing a religious ceremony anyhow? A union between two people are fine, let a church sort out who can marry who, but since its demanded government observe this religious ceremony with tax breaks and all sorts, fine...just don't expect it to remain unequal.
A better argument would be for a demand of government to stop acknowledging marriage to begin with, and instead use civil unions...then the marriage issue is fully a church issue...where it should be.
Social Security:
Seniors who given their life should get during their retirement...especially considering they suck at digging ditches. a person in their 20s or 30s can barely balance a checkbook, much less make the effort to put away 10% or so towards their declining years...and its not a good thing to see millions of homeless elderly starving and dying on the streets.
Taxes:
Close to economy in regards to alot of disagreement. Simply put, taxes -is- a way to spread the wealth around...regardless of what snippets are there to candy coat it. If wealth is not spread around, a entire nation will go bust really quick with consolidated corporate interests. No country has ever survived for long without measures to spread some equality amongst the people..the rate however is in question as to what is fine, and what is too much.
Typically, history has always punished poor while giving breaks to the rich. Historically every country that follows this meme busts.
War on Terror:
Its a tactic. Your more likely to die of toilet seat malfunctions than a terrorist attack. Warring on nations that produce terrorists only produce more terrorists. its backwards, ineffective, and expensive.
Welfare:
Toss a net and ladder down for the most unfortunate in society so they may find a way back.
11 seconds...11 seconds into that video and they got it totally wrong, almost backwards. Social liberalism is keeping out of the day to day decisions, not imposing government sanctioned thinking, and to maybe try and produce a somewhat level playing field so power isn't consolidated into just a few hands.
Originally posted by havok
By far the BEST description of the left EVER!
About the energy thing...I fall in line with the conspiracy theorists that suggest there are supressed energy technologies that would destroy the oil industry..corporate and political destruction of progression for financial gain..But even if that isn't the case, we could stop a couple wars and use that money to install solar panels across the nations highways, removing the need for coal and oil by a massive amount
Originally posted by hangedman13
reply to post by SaturnFX
Now you are bringing one of my problems with liberals to the fore.
About the energy thing...I fall in line with the conspiracy theorists that suggest there are supressed energy technologies that would destroy the oil industry..corporate and political destruction of progression for financial gain..But even if that isn't the case, we could stop a couple wars and use that money to install solar panels across the nations highways, removing the need for coal and oil by a massive amount
I have found that most of the energy "solutions" to be poorly thought out. I hope you were jesting about the solar panel thing. The impact on the environment of any new energy initiative must be examined. Are we trading a bad thing for a worse thing? The light bulb issue still bothers me. How long till the EPA is telling us about all the mercury poisoning our environment [more]? I'll agree to disagree with some other points, but this is one that really bothers me for the short sightedness.
Originally posted by SaturnFX
reply to post by bigfatfurrytexan
It seems your biggest issue with liberalism is the fiscal philosophies.
To be honest, I feel the same way. I am a off the charts lefty socially, fiscally, I am middle, right leaning (in philosophy, not practice...in practice, the right has proven for the last 50 years to be absurd spenders and massive debt machines)
Keep in mind also, liberal idealism isn't implemented...nor for that matter is any form of actual conservatism in finances.
I think the corruption of the ideals is the issue. Fiscally, if there was a non-corrupt version of conservatism, I frankly don't see how anyone could complain about that, unless it had shown to be a disaster no matter how fair. Then you have to make changes to create a stable environment.
Sort of like...everyone can have a nuclear bomb because its our rights...well, after about 2-300 go off, its time to toss the whole concept and remove the nukes from the average joe's because reality interferes with ideals.
In my view, there are two progressive movements, and two conservative movements. The progressives I am proudly part of simply want to get to the freaking part where we are colonizing space and the poorest person on the whole planet has a comfortable middle class style living. Its what the vision is, it is whats worked on.
The other progressive movement is some sort of forced socialism...this is actually not very prominent, but it is there and becomes the loudest cry from the other side.
Conservatives (like ron paul) are the purists...they are in fact trying to remove themselves from your decisionmaking and are trying to focus mostly on fiscal matters...of course, they are sweeped under the rug for the neocons whom are corporate owned emotion monkeys whom try to make everything about God and guns and how the constitution must be followed word for word...except for where they don't want it to be, like the first amendment and pretty much everything after the 3rd amendment...actually, if they could truncate it down to just the 2nd amendment, they would be happy.
About the energy thing...I fall in line with the conspiracy theorists that suggest there are supressed energy technologies that would destroy the oil industry..corporate and political destruction of progression for financial gain..But even if that isn't the case, we could stop a couple wars and use that money to install solar panels across the nations highways, removing the need for coal and oil by a massive amount
Originally posted by gimme_some_truth
Well, in that case.... I guess all Repubs/conservatives are just a bunch of fat, white christian extremist war mongers who want to take over and destroy the world....
Originally posted by gimme_some_truth
Originally posted by havok
By far the BEST description of the left EVER!
Political satire that exaggerates what one side looks like and thinks is a good description?
Well, in that case.... I guess all Repubs/conservatives are just a bunch of fat, white christian extremist war mongers who want to take over and destroy the world....
United we stand, divided we fall.... Anybody? Anyone at all?