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Originally posted by mikeangel
Secondly, How is it that you can chose the "book of your choice" to place on said "altar", which some choose the Koran, when the Bible says "I am the way the truth, and the light. No one comes to the father except through me", and his teaching is based on forgiveness, love, and tolerance, even loving your enemys. But how is that compatable with this-
Qur'an:8:39 "So fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief [non-Muslims]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone (in the whole world)."
Do not say "Well, in the OT there was a lot of Killing and conquering", That was ancient times, before the New Covenant. The New covenant was Love and forgiveness. Mohammed wrote the Koran, and his hatred for christians and jews is stated all through it. If you like I read through it again and quote it for you. How in Masons mind do you say they are the one and the same origin when they so very clearly contradict each other? Thank you for responding. Peace-Me
Originally posted by ElohimJD
Originally posted by TheGiantPeach
Lucifer is the "light bearer"
Lucifer WAS created as the light bearer, he has not gone by that name for several thousand years, it was changed to Satan once sin entered into his mind.
2 Cor 11:14-15
"And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light (lucifier). Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness (illuminated), whose end will be according to their works (power, money, sex)."
Satan lies, he lies to his servants as well; his servants believe his lies.
God Bless,
Originally posted by mikeangel
reply to post by network dude
Again, thank you for your response. You did not address the obvious contradiction between the Koran and the Bible, to coincide with your stating that all beliefs lead to the same place.
#2, why would quoting the bible make masons disappear? If that was your "Book that you have faith in", that you attested to be placed on the "altar" when you were initiated, why would discussing "big picture" beliefs represented in it be a cause to back off? Would it might be that the allegory and rituals that are not in line with it, and cannot be defended, without flat out denying and explaining away obvious commandments from God (the one in the Bible)?
Originally posted by mikeangel
One last thing, for example, you said "when we swear out oath, we do so to our God"
And I read-
But I say to you, make no oath at all, either by heaven, for it is the throne of God, or by ... Nor shall you make an oath by your head, for you cannot make one hair white or black. ... yes when you mean yes and no when you mean no'; and anything beyond these is of evil” (Matthew 5 :33-37
Again, with the Bible put on the altar in front of the "Worshipful Master" as your "Belief of choice", how can this be compatable? In court, they allow people to "affirm" instead of swear, as to respect thier belief of this scripture.
I will not be bullied by a bunch of people who base thier salvation on thier traditions and works, Not on God.
Originally posted by network dude
reply to post by GenerationXisMarching
since you won't be back, I am sure this will fall on deaf ears. I don't think you understood your grandfather too well. It seems that since he was a good business man, you assume he cheated, lied, and sold his soul to the devil to do it. I have known people who worked hard and earned what they got. Isn't it possible that he was one of those men? Naw, it make much more sense that he used satanic blood sacrifices to grow his business. After all, that's how all the up and comers are doing it these days. Maybe if you put a little effort into your life you could be as respected as he was.
Origin of LODGE
Middle English loge, from Anglo-French, of Germanic origin; akin to Old High German louba (porch)
Origin of LODE
Middle English, from Old English lād (course, support); akin to Old English līthan (to go)
Originally posted by network dude
Who is to say which religion is right? Obviously you think Jesus Christ is the only way to heaven. But I would bet that a Jew might have a vastly different idea. A Muslim as well. Freemasonry takes the topics of religion and politics out of the equation to promote harmony. If you cannot live for 2 hours without praising Jesus' name, then masonry isn't for you. But if you can go to a ball game or a cookout and make it through those activities without evoking prayer other than the prayer for a meal or a safe game, surely you could make it through a meeting where an opening prayer is offered to (your individual God) so all can join in the celebration.
Originally posted by mikeangel
Also, if it is not a religion, why is there an "altar", and the rituals are performed in a place representive of God's temple in Jerusalem?
#2, why would quoting the bible make masons disappear? If that was your "Book that you have faith in", that you attested to be placed on the "altar" when you were initiated, why would discussing "big picture" beliefs represented in it be a cause to back off? Would it might be that the allegory and rituals that are not in line with it, and cannot be defended, without flat out denying and explaining away obvious commandments from God (the one in the Bible)?