Freemasonry Q & A by John Salza, former Freemason

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posted on Dec, 14 2012 @ 10:48 PM
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To me GAOTU is my God, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. He is not any other god. See, you just don't get the concept that GAOTU is not a god, but a term.

You gotta love blind, ignorant faith.

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I didn't say it didn't free us from this body, but regardless death equalizes us all. If you don't get that point, then I'm not going to explain it to you.




posted on Dec, 15 2012 @ 05:33 AM
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Ok, I'll wrap this up and let it be a summary, and leave it. Masons believe that All the worlds creator Gods are the same, and they give him One name, and say he is one God. GAOTU=God=Visnu=Allah=Jesus=Jerkme=Whatever creator God you believe in.
I say it is obvious they are not the same. To say that is blasphemy against the true living God. He outlined in the bible not to have any other Gods besides him.
Using proof of real supernaturalism, the real God, backed it up with prophets and his son and myrtred witnesses,, the real God proved himself..
No one here, besides saying I'm wrong, showed anything to support any of the other "Gods" they group with thier Gaotu, to be anything more than "philosophys", or "concepts".

That leaves us at a standoff. but wait. I'll go out on a limb for myself. I'll leave God to show me if I am right or wrong. If what he tells me in the bible is true, and shows me is true, then I am correct about these other things too:

America is literally built on manonic principles. the cornerstone to the capitol was laid by Washington in a masonic ceramony. Masonic symbols are all over Washington DC. The constitution is very much like masonic writings in style. The Statue of Liberty is a masonic symbol built by three masons, and being based on the Roman Goddess Libertas, is an abomination to God. SO-

This "freethinking" and deception will come to fruition very soon. The world will not end 12-21-12, but very soon alot of people will wish it had. The "allah" worshippers will invade Israel and slay thousands. Stocks will become worthless. The roots of chaos already exibited will magnify, and society will freefall, and America with all her idols, "stars", Hollywierd, and abominations, will stumble and fall, to rise no more. The real God will Judge America for spreading all the vile evil venom all over the whole world. This starts now, because America elected a man representing a party that openly opposes him with homosexuality, and contempt for him, and his commandments.AND spread materialism and porn and rock-n-roll as false lifestyles promoting evil as freedom. "Do as thou wilst shall be the whole of the law", and it is.

Now, talk is cheap. So I leave it up to God to show who is right. Who I beileve God is, One god in three persons of him, his son, and the spirit they share, and what they prophesy in the truthful book. OR Gaotu, made up of all the other Gods in the world. May the real God stand up. Amen......................................



posted on Dec, 15 2012 @ 07:35 AM
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Originally posted by mikeangel
...and his son and myrtred...


Well, the J-man was a carpenter so I guess I can believe he mitered stuff.

Probably made a hell of a dovetail joint.



This starts now, because America elected a man representing a party that openly opposes him with homosexuality...


Now it all comes out. Another dyed in the wool, bigoted, 'death to fags' Christian.

"I'm a Christian and I love everyone except queers and homos and Muslims and Jews and Hindus and and and and because you're all going' to Hell!"



posted on Dec, 15 2012 @ 07:36 AM
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Originally posted by mikeangel
"Death is the great equalizer."





Not for me. Maybe for you. To me death is freedom , real freedom.



There's one thing we can agree on. "Death is the great equalizer" and "Death is the great leveler" is from masonic ritual and I disagree with that idea. I believe we go to very different places after we die. If we were only made of flesh, only then would death be an "equalizer".

So here's a Freemason agreeing with you. But dont get your hopes up. Just because I disagree with a particular wording from a particular ritual, does not mean I dont understand the positive intent with which it was put into the ritual, nor does it mean freemasonry is nefarious or out to deceive. It just means that attitudes and tastes differ.



posted on Dec, 15 2012 @ 07:51 AM
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Originally posted by mikeangel
Ok, I'll wrap this up and let it be a summary, and leave it. Masons believe that All the worlds creator Gods are the same, and they give him One name, and say he is one God. GAOTU=God=Visnu=Allah=Jesus=Jerkme=Whatever creator God you believe in.



If Im not mistaken GAOTU is an ATS Member and even a Mod. Vishnu is only one aspect of the Hindu Trinity, the others being Shiva and Brahma. Allah is merely "God" in another language. Jesus is God incarnate as well as part of the Christian Trinity. Jerk me sounds like you are taking Gods name in vain, which reveals something about you.



I say it is obvious they are not the same. To say that is blasphemy against the true living God. He outlined in the bible not to have any other Gods besides him.


The Bible states not to serve Polytheism but Monotheism. The Gods mentioned above are absolute beings and therefore belong to the Monotheistic tradition of acknowleding ONE Source, ONE Supreme Being.



No one here, besides saying I'm wrong, showed anything to support any of the other "Gods" they group with thier Gaotu, to be anything more than "philosophys", or "concepts".


You seem to be very unfamiliar with the various World Religions each of which have Billions of adherents and all of which you blanket denounce as fools and sinners.




America is literally built on manonic principles


America is actually built on Judeo-Christian principles, some of which were facilitated by Freemasons who sympathized with Judeo-Christian values.



This "freethinking" and deception will come to fruition very soon. The world will not end 12-21-12, but very soon alot of people will wish it had. The "allah" worshippers will invade Israel and slay thousands. Stocks will become worthless. The roots of chaos already exibited will magnify, and society will freefall, and America with all her idols, "stars", Hollywierd, and abominations, will stumble and fall, to rise no more. The real God will Judge America for spreading all the vile evil venom all over the whole world. This starts now, because America elected a man representing a party that openly opposes him with homosexuality, and contempt for him, and his commandments.AND spread materialism and porn and rock-n-roll as false lifestyles promoting evil as freedom. "Do as thou wilst shall be the whole of the law", and it is.


Apparently you predict the decline of civilization through a decline of its morals and the advancement of free-thought-secularism and you link Freemasonry with that particular movement. You've spotted what you perceive as the enemy, now you go into the Internet to awaken the world to the insights you think are unique and true.



posted on Dec, 15 2012 @ 10:21 AM
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"You seem to be very unfamiliar with the various World Religions each of which have Billions of adherents and all of which you blanket denounce as fools and sinners. "





No answer still. Who in all of those other "Gods" manifested themselves and rose from the dead and fulfilled every prophecy mentioned by the prophets he commissioned. Or revealed communicated prophecys that came to pass. Who is like the true God? Show me. Not by just stating I'm wrong. You have the floor to show it. Provide witnesses to miracles and wonders If you can't just say it. The other Gods are nothing. God proved that.

#2 We are all sinners. Compared to God we are all fools. Me included.
#3 Being gay is not the issue with me. I'm friends with gay people. The issue is wether it is right to say- it is a God approved lifestyle and it is perfectly ok to have gay bishops, and gay weddings. My spirit says no. IMHO that will not send them to hell. Rejecting God will.
#4 One more time- I have no idea what God will do to each individual at judgement. I don't know what makes someone do the things they do. It's not my call. I love anyone with a breath that is friendly and the God that is in those who are not friendly.. I don't care if you believe this, but I wear a button that says "I Love You". That goes for anyone who looks at it, whatever they believe. I've worn it for years, and I have only got 2 "I love you too" replies, that includes wearing it to church. Love, Me
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posted on Dec, 15 2012 @ 10:33 AM
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" Jerk me sounds like you are taking Gods name in vain, which reveals something about you. "


Grouping the true living God with all the other nations Gods and calling him Gaotu is taking him in vain. And Blasphemy.



posted on Dec, 15 2012 @ 01:32 PM
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He outlined in the bible not to have any other Gods besides him.

Wasn't the Bible written by men?


Using proof of real supernaturalism, the real God, backed it up with prophets and his son and myrtred witnesses,, the real God proved himself..

Your proof of God is the Bible. Other writings talk about their god and provide as much proof as the Christian Bible does. I know this because I've read those works and don't just dismiss them because of my faith.


America is literally built on manonic principles.

I'd say America came about as a result of salutary neglect towards the American colonies on behalf of the British Crown and principles that came about as a result of the Enlightenment Era. Some Masons did have an influence, but whether it was correlation or causation to the development of Freemasonry.


Masonic symbols are all over Washington DC.

There may be a few on OUR buildings, but DC is not covered in Masonic symbols.


The constitution is very much like masonic writings in style.

Only a third of the signers were Masons. Plus, even if it was, who cares? The US Constitution is an amazing document.


The Statue of Liberty is a masonic symbol built by three masons, and being based on the Roman Goddess Libertas, is an abomination to God.

That statue is a personification of the concept of liberty. Freedom is an abomination to God?


The roots of chaos already exibited will magnify, and society will freefall, and America with all her idols, "stars", Hollywierd, and abominations, will stumble and fall, to rise no more.


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It's extremely obvious you know nothing of other world religions because everything you said other gods have done in the past.



posted on Dec, 15 2012 @ 06:42 PM
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Originally posted by mikeangel
Ok, I'll wrap this up and Textand leave it. Masons believe that All the worlds creator Gods are the same, and they give him One name, and say he is one God. GAOTU=God=Visnu=Allah=Jesus=Jerkme=Whatever creator God you believe in.


This is only a summary of your incorrect beliefs about masonry, not the truth. I don't know how many different ways different masons (and we would know, being, you know, masons) can say this. When you try to summarize the craft by saying "masons believe..." you are going to be almost always wrong, and always wrong when it comes to religion. Masonry, not being a religion, holds no theology that its members must believe. All masons must believe in a Supreme Being, which is a point of philosophy and not religious requirement. To evangelical Christians who are masons, that God is the God of Jesus Christ, the one only, and there are no others. And masonry is perfectly OK with that.

GAOTU is an honorific for the God that the individual mason already believes in. It does not unite Gods, say that all Gods or equal, or do anything else. An individual Mason may indeed believe that, but that is because that is his personal philosophy, not because the fraternity requires it.

Repeating lies over and over again and ignoring all points to the contrary because you don't want to believe the truth is not very appealing. So please stop doing it.
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posted on Dec, 16 2012 @ 03:53 AM
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See you all at the Gate.
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posted on Dec, 16 2012 @ 07:32 AM
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Originally posted by mikeangel
...calling him Gaotu is taking him in vain. And Blasphemy.


Was Calvin a blasphemer?



posted on Dec, 16 2012 @ 12:39 PM
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Originally posted by AugustusMasonicus

Originally posted by mikeangel
...calling him Gaotu is taking him in vain. And Blasphemy.


Was Calvin a blasphemer?


Apparently, EVERYONE except mikeangel is a blasphemer and is going to hell. Because even if they say they have a evangelical theology, they are clearly liars and mikeangel is about to divinely interpret the truth with no evidence whatsoever.



posted on Dec, 17 2012 @ 04:52 AM
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And you say that without providing any proof or evidence that there is any God but the God of Zion. The evidence to the real God is not only the bible, but history, and prophysies written before things came to pass and then fulfilled. Show me where they manifested themselves and died and rose from the dead in front of witnesses that died for thier witness. Bad form. I said before, many times, show me. Bring it man. Telling me over and over I'm wrong isn't proof. If there is other all powerful creator Gods that should be easy. But also this time, someone will paint me as a judgemental bigot, and not show anything, because the other Gods are nothing. Like someone said about me before, that shows alot about you all. Peace and love-Me
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posted on Dec, 17 2012 @ 05:11 AM
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I find it very hard to believe that anyone can be this dense on purpose. Dude, One God. Say that with me one time.

ONE GOD.

I don't care in the slightest bit what you think about my beliefs, or anyone else's beliefs. The only ones I care about are mine, and the only one's you should care about are yours. We as masons believe in One God. While you are obstinate to the core, and believe that we are praying to the wrong guy, we think he is the same one you are talking about. God. Now run off to church, and pray, pray, pray. I promise we will all be alright here. Our souls are in fantastic shape.



posted on Dec, 17 2012 @ 05:20 AM
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Come on dude, at least say it like a mason-GAOTU



posted on Dec, 17 2012 @ 05:21 AM
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Still without any evidence



posted on Dec, 17 2012 @ 06:25 AM
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1Bel has bowed down, Nebo stoops over;
Their images are consigned to the beasts and the cattle.
The things that you carry are burdensome,
A load for the weary beast.

2They stooped over, they have bowed down together;
They could not rescue the burden,
But have themselves gone into captivity.

3“Listen to Me, O house of Jacob,
And all the remnant of the house of Israel,
You who have been borne by Me from birth
And have been carried from the womb;

4Even to your old age I will be the same,
And even to your graying years I will bear you!
I have done it, and I will carry you;
And I will bear you and I will deliver you.

5“To whom would you liken Me
And make Me equal and compare Me,
That we would be alike?

6“Those who lavish gold from the purse
And weigh silver on the scale
Hire a goldsmith, and he makes it into a god;
They bow down, indeed they worship it.

7“They lift it upon the shoulder and carry it;
They set it in its place and it stands there.
It does not move from its place.
Though one may cry to it, it cannot answer;
It cannot deliver him from his distress.

8“Remember this, and be assured;
Recall it to mind, you transgressors.

9“Remember the former things long past,
For I am God, and there is no other;
I am God, and there is no one like Me,

10Declaring the end from the beginning,
And from ancient times things which have not been done,
Saying, ‘My purpose will be established,
And I will accomplish all My good pleasure’;

Again-


“To whom would you liken Me
And make Me equal and compare Me,
That we would be alike? " Like I said, bring it man. Peace, Me
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posted on Dec, 17 2012 @ 06:37 AM
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Ok, ok. Enough of that. Getting back to the subject-The masons and the Knights of Columbus. My worst fears have been confirmed. I got another response from John Salzar. To my surprise he responded rather quickly-

, God gave us an intellect to know certain things. We don't need to wait for the Church to judge every evil. The fact is that Masons are in the highest levels of the KofC. I personally know one. The fact is that Masons and Knights publicly gather together throughout the country. The fact is that many of the Vatican's top functionaries are Freemasons. So don't wait for the Church to do anything about it. If they disobeyed Our Lady of Fatima, they are surely not going to issue any pronouncements against the KofC. As Padre Pio revealed, the Church is under Masonic occupation.

God bless.

John

I know the masons here believe nothing is wrong with this. I want responses from Knights of Columbus. Do you really think it is ok to both ex-communicate masons and do similar rituals, and have no qualms about it at all? Do you see what is happening? What about "CC", sir Knight, who posted here in the beginning. What do you have to say for yourself and your "brotherhood"? Peace-Me
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posted on Dec, 17 2012 @ 06:51 AM
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Since you obviously missed my post (what other reason would there be for not answering?):



Originally posted by AugustusMasonicus

Originally posted by mikeangel
...calling him Gaotu is taking him in vain. And Blasphemy.


Was Calvin a blasphemer?





edit on 17-12-2012 by AugustusMasonicus because: networkdude has no beer



posted on Dec, 17 2012 @ 07:27 AM
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Originally posted by mikeangel
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Come on dude, at least say it like a mason-GAOTU


sad, sad.

Yes, GAOTU is GOD. Please tell me what your agenda is here.
What are you hoping to accomplish by beating this dead horse over, and over, and over?
It's clear that you don't comprehend what I write.





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