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posted on Jan, 5 2011 @ 09:29 AM
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They're not irrelevant of course, but his interpretation is at best questionable. Look, not everything he says is bad, but it's sooooooo obvious what his goal is by giving speeches like that. The US had to take a lot of criticism lately due to the economic meltdown, irrational wars, and so on...so it's only logical that the citizens get tired of being criticized over and over again. However, his "I will not be apologetic" stuff feeds directly into the people's anger over being criticized. Hell yeah some people should feel guilty...namely the ones that supported the wars, and those who voted for people who deregulated the industry to the point where they could screw us all over.

Beck does 2 things with his audience: Feed them his agenda by accessing their RELIGIOUS BELIEFS and their PATRIOTISM. He blatantly lies tons of time, but people still snort it up like crack because he tabs into their religious beliefs and patriotism. An example of this is his stance on net neutrality...anyone who's for free speech should have the EXACT OPPOSITE view than Beck.




posted on Jan, 5 2011 @ 09:33 AM
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I challenge you to point out a lie.

I've spent a lot of time studying the founding era sir, and I've yet to spot inaccuracies(Unless you count a date or two, which are forgivable). And what he has been wrong about he has apologized for.

The good thing about having your own show is that you get to talk about issues that are important to you...That hardly counts as "using" people or deceiving anyone.


"More speech, not less speech"
-Glenn Beck

He's always talking about beating the other side in the free market of ideas...The problem with your perception of Beck is that you get "what Beck says" from third parties...No context, no research, just "He's wrong because he's on FOX".

ETA:

Believe me man, it's not like I don't understand your position or where you're coming from. I used to think of Beck the same way, but unlike most people I don't like being told what to believe about other people, so I started watching the show. I was surprised to find a well read, intelligent human being who, unlike most of the zealots on FOX, was willing to admit to having flaws and being corrected by others.


ETA2:

I take exception to the notion that discussing ones faith and how it applies to the founding principles in a nation where 80% of us are faithful is somehow "manipulation". Come on...Really? You don't have to believe as I do, but please stop attacking those who do.


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posted on Jan, 5 2011 @ 09:48 AM
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1) He is AGAINST net neutrality and pretends the government would take over the Internet if we'd get net neutrality. In reality, if we don't have net neutrality, corporations get 100% control of the internet and can bully anyone they don't like. Obviously beck likes that given that he's all about the money (gold scandal made it clear).

2) Goldline: I've worked in real estate investments for years, but never have I heard anyone trying to sell someone an investment that only breaks even if the price increases by 65% (!!!)...all the while stating that it's a great investment.

3) 10% of Muslims are terrorists: That would mean over 150mil people are Muslim terrorists...that's more than France and Germany combined and anyone who can count sees how ridiculous this figure is. Yet he continues to repeat it.

4) Sharia coming to the US: The mere thought is laughable as US laws prevent Sharia law from ever overruling US law. Saying Sharia's coming to the US is nothing but fear mongering and paranoia by delusional Beck.

5) "No president was ever sworn in without a bible": Blatant lie, Adams didn't use one, and neither did a few others...not that it matters, but it just shows how blatantly he's lying when trying to push his televangelist agenda.

6) Carbon dioxide isn't poisonous according to Beck and we shouldn't worry about it at all. I guess he never put a a plastic bag on his ....he should though.

7) Obama is a racist according to Beck...which is hilarious given that we don't have a single racist quote from Obama. But I guess it fits his agenda and must be true, right?
So much you can criticize Obama for, and he goes with this laughable attempt...

8) Blatantly lied about the numbers attending his rally...independent satellite photos made that pretty clear. But I guess he was stroking his own ego or trying to give himself more credibility.

9) "Wilmington (Ohio) hasn’t taken any money from the government. They don’t want any money from the government."



posted on Jan, 5 2011 @ 09:51 AM
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So you get your info from the very organizations that take money from George Soros to smear Beck?


I think this conversation is over.

ETA:

You should probably know that I read and subscribe to Media Matters as well. I had the fortune of seeing who's actually BSing.

I'll tell you what. Spend a week watching the show and reading what MM says about it. There's an HUGE contrast in realities.
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posted on Jan, 5 2011 @ 10:30 AM
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You accused me of shooting the messenger and not focusing enough on the message...and now you're doing the same


Refute the content what I posted if you can...



posted on Jan, 5 2011 @ 10:56 AM
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Originally posted by MrXYZ
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1) He is AGAINST net neutrality and pretends the government would take over the Internet if we'd get net neutrality. In reality, if we don't have net neutrality, corporations get 100% control of the internet and can bully anyone they don't like. Obviously beck likes that given that he's all about the money (gold scandal made it clear).


Net neutrality is socialism for the internet. Do you know what they actually want to do? They want everyone to have equal bandwidth...That will slow the internet down to a crawl. Right now ISPs can regulate how much bandwidth one gets depending on what that bandwidth is being used for. So if you and your next door neighbor are both on the net at the same time, and he's downloading a video and you're downloading a game, you're going to get more bandwidth because you require more resources for the time being. NN would destroy that capability.



2) Goldline: I've worked in real estate investments for years, but never have I heard anyone trying to sell someone an investment that only breaks even if the price increases by 65% (!!!)...all the while stating that it's a great investment.


I suppose real estate is a "great investment" today? Housing prices are still falling because it was a overinflated market. We are now seeing the systemic devaluation in competition with other nations currently devaluing the dollar. This is a long term trend sir, Gold is going to continue to go up.

If China had invested in gold instead of our real estate or our bonds like they have been, they wouldn't be experiencing such a bad contraction today, and the government would not be battling inflation


3) 10% of Muslims are terrorists: That would mean over 150mil people are Muslim terrorists...that's more than France and Germany combined and anyone who can count sees how ridiculous this figure is. Yet he continues to repeat it.


Maybe you should call the Beck show, or send in an e-mail and tell him the absurdity of such a figure.. I think that he's trying to denote a minority in relative terms and you're reading too much into it, but that's just me.


4) Sharia coming to the US: The mere thought is laughable as US laws prevent Sharia law from ever overruling US law. Saying Sharia's coming to the US is nothing but fear mongering and paranoia by delusional Beck.


I've heard Beck say that some people want Shari'a Law in the US, but I have not heard him say Shari'a Law is coming to the US. I don't think anyone believes that it is, though there are, in fact, efforts to do just that by organizations like CAIR.


5) "No president was ever sworn in without a bible": Blatant lie, Adams didn't use one, and neither did a few others...not that it matters, but it just shows how blatantly he's lying when trying to push his televangelist agenda.


It doesn't matter. I actually believed this was true for a while too. It's a common misconception, sir. But I guess it's only a heinous crime if you're on TV and you happen to be Libertarian.


6) Carbon dioxide isn't poisonous according to Beck and we shouldn't worry about it at all. I guess he never put a a plastic bag on his ....he should though.


While Carbon Dioxide is poisonous in high concentrations to human being(in non ventilated areas) It is what plants breath and it is part of the cycle of nature on this planet..

Yeah, wishing suicide on others...Great idea. how "Progressive" of you.


7) Obama is a racist according to Beck...which is hilarious given that we don't have a single racist quote from Obama. But I guess it fits his agenda and must be true, right?
So much you can criticize Obama for, and he goes with this laughable attempt...


He spent 20 years in a racist church learning "liberation theology"...The same theology that brought us the New Black Panther Party, and the neo-socialist crap they spew.. He may not be overtly racist, but action by his Justice Dpt..(Or inaction in the case of The New Black Panthers) doesn't help his case in the matter...


8) Blatantly lied about the numbers attending his rally...independent satellite photos made that pretty clear. But I guess he was stroking his own ego or trying to give himself more credibility.


Don't care...No really, I don't. This fighting between who rally was bigger is childish. Get over it.


9) "Wilmington (Ohio) hasn’t taken any money from the government. They don’t want any money from the government."



posted on Jan, 5 2011 @ 11:25 AM
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Originally posted by projectvxn

Name calling...Yep That makes me wanna have a conversation with you. I'm stopping right here.

Name-calling and vitriol is not what ATS is about. I know this issue is important to you.. But if this is the way you're going to conduct yourself then this conversation really is over.


ROFLMAO That is positively hilarious considering some of your other "pre mod" posts.

I had these little jewels handy when it was announced of your mod status. Discretion got the better of me. Not sure if they've been 'scrubbed' from site but they were current at the time. Want vitriol? (Note: These were not directed at me.)


Originally posted by projectvxn
You're the progressive posterchild on ATS.



Originally posted by projectvxn
You are racebaiting. There are hundreds of threads just like this one all over ATS. I'm sick of it. I'm tired of you and everyone like you...



Originally posted by projectvxn
It isn't my job to do your homework for you. You have google and access to wikipedia.



Originally posted by projectvxn
Screw you people. I'm an American.


Unless you deny that these are your own words, the terms bias and hypocrisy come to mind.


BTW, I agree with Mr XYZ. Hypocrite much?

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posted on Jan, 5 2011 @ 11:30 AM
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This geezer like so many would laugh in your face if america tortured you, like most of the truth movement.

Like phil schnieder said, you cannot be master of two houses. It really is that wet and dry.

I would never listen to him period if i was you. Try and find honest people you can look upto for some truths, you will not find with him, who would laugh in your face.

Any one who would laugh in the face of a person being tortured by america should not even get your attention. This guy is one of those.

Just sayin, from my experience of life stay clear of two faced people which are most of them.



posted on Jan, 5 2011 @ 11:32 AM
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*Removed to stay on topic*


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posted on Jan, 5 2011 @ 11:39 AM
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Just a reminder...Stay on Topic Please.



posted on Jan, 5 2011 @ 11:43 AM
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I've always admired Glenn Beck. I find him a man of honor, honesty and integrity.
Sign me up. Find me anyone that would disagree with the premise of what he said!



posted on Jan, 5 2011 @ 11:46 AM
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They don't wanna argue with the premise of the mans ideas. They just wanna listen to media matters and take what people say out of context to suit their political agendas.

You'll find plenty of people like that.



posted on Jan, 5 2011 @ 11:51 AM
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Originally posted by projectvxn
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They don't wanna argue with the premise of the mans ideas. They just wanna listen to media matters and take what people say out of context to suit their political agendas.

You'll find plenty of people like that.


I find that cowardly. You want to defame him? Use a logical argument. Want to call him names and smear him because he is right? Hmmm, suppose MM is the place to hang out.
But I find that cowardly and beneath contempt.
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posted on Jan, 5 2011 @ 11:55 AM
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Indeed. Taking out of context quips, spinning them, and then calling it the absolute truth seems to be the MO.

Easily identifiable by the amount of anger they put forth..

What I believe in doesn't make me angry.



posted on Jan, 5 2011 @ 11:56 AM
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Before I put on my fire-proof suit (knowing how ATS likes to flame anyone who doesn't say Beck is evil) I would like to say---I am not a Beck groupie. I agree with a lot of what he says, and I also disagree with a lot of what he says. I'm not a mindless sheep who believes anything and everything just because Beck told me it was true. I don't watch his show regularly because I don't have cable, though I do watch it when I can catch an episode somewhere else. I don't listen to the radio show, and I most emphatically don't watch anything else on Fox News. Ever. It makes my eyes bleed, lol.

That said, I think Beck is someone who is genuinely trying to bring about real, positive change in society. Is he also trying to make money? Of course he is. Look at it this way---if you are a doctor, and you make a gazillion dollars an hour treating people, does your making a lot of money negate the fact that you truly feel called to heal people? Or the good you do? I look at Beck the same way. He is in a very visible position, where he has the attention of a lot of people. Some of them are awake, some asleep, some drugged, and some comatose. But they are there, and they are tuned in. And he is using that position to try to make a real and positive difference in the world. Whether you think he is right or wrong on the issues, HE believes he is doing good, waking people up, and he is using his money and power as a tool to do that.


Originally posted by kinda kurious
If Mr. Beck is genuinely concerned about America, why doesn't he just run for office?


Because he's not stupid. If he ran for office he'd be like Ron Paul (Paul supporters read the rest of the sentence before you get mad, lol)---not in that his views are like Mr. Paul's, but that while lots of what he said would resonate with We the People, it wouldn't make a damn bit of difference in the real world. If he stays on TV and radio, and keeps selling books, he CAN make a difference.




Originally posted by NthOther
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Until Beck hammers the military-industrial complex as hard as he does the progressive movement, I'm inclined to agree with you. He's hinted at the inefficacy and fiscal irresponsibility of an imperialist military before, but never flat out called for an end to it, as far as I know. I think he knows this would alienate the "conservatives" that make up so much of his customer base, and if he did advocate it they wouldn't buy his books anymore.


If he began doing that, he'd quickly be taken off the air, and he knows that. "Then he'd stop making money," you say gleefully, "so that's why he doesn't do it." I personally think his reasoning is more along the lines of "I'm doing some good here, even if there are some huge issues I can't touch. I'm better off talking about the things I CAN safely talk about, and waking people up so they can begin to think for themselves, than getting taken off the air and not being able to reach anyone at all."

And btw, have you actually READ any of Beck's books? Do you know personally that they're a bad thing, or are you just jumping to that conclusion because he's the author?



posted on Jan, 5 2011 @ 12:00 PM
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Actually Beck has been known to call for the cutting of the military budget. So does Andrew Napolitano on Freedom Watch and when he fills in for Beck. If they were going to fire Beck for his Libertarian views they'd have to fire The Judge and Stossel as well.



posted on Jan, 5 2011 @ 12:01 PM
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Originally posted by projectvxn
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He did just that in this very episode...


"15 years ago I was broke, today I'm pretty well off".

The point is, he's not ashamed of making money. NO ONE should be ashamed of making money.

But you have to watch the show to get what Media Matters won't show.
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I always hear, though, that he's facing the problems we're facing.

Really? I'm working three jobs along with my family working multiple jobs to get by. I don't want to hear from him about how he's fighting along with us, about how he knows what the bad times are.



posted on Jan, 5 2011 @ 12:02 PM
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So if you went through bad times those are no longer valid because he's not doing bad now?

That doesn't make any sense. You're supposed to learn from bad times so that you can decrease your chances of going through it again. If one successfully does that, are those bad experiences still invalid?

Problems we're all facing:

1 Currency devaluation

2 Margin compression

3 legislation that destroys freedom..I don't care how much money you make, and how well off you are, that affects all of us...Unless you're in on it, of course.

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posted on Jan, 5 2011 @ 12:12 PM
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Originally posted by projectvxn
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So if you went through bad times those are no longer valid because he's not doing bad now?

That doesn't make any sense. You're supposed to learn from bad times so that you can decrease your chances of going through it again. If one successfully does that, are those bad experiences still invalid?

Problems we're all facing:

1 Currency devaluation

2 Margin compression

3 legislation that destroys freedom..I don't care how much money you make, and how well off you are, that affects all of us...Unless you're in on it, of course.

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Yeah. He has fifty million dollars he's made. How much of that has gone to charities to help out families and Americans who are struggling?

His bad experiences are invalid, and will always be invalid, because he's a greedy bastard. There is something entirely wrong with being what he is.



posted on Jan, 5 2011 @ 12:14 PM
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Basically put, America is about equal oppourtunity, not equal outcome. That is what I get from Beck and that is what angers so many of those opposed.
Just my humble opinion.




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