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Originally posted by Movescamp
reply to post by tom502
Dear god really? We are all privy to opinion but that is just crazy like the post above you. Dig wells? Carpentry?
There is a science out there called anthropology. It's either physical or cultural. Both apply here. First of genetic differences are miniscule. In fact the largest genetic difference in the human race is between australlian aborigine and Central Africans. They actual way "civilization" came about was the hoarding of resources by a group of elites. It's called political scale culture and it can be observed from pre European Hawaii to Europe. A group of Elites lead by a king decides the recourses are his or hers and then establishes a chain of command or pecking order. In most modern culture a commercial scale culture, corporations hoard resources and sell them back to you using your wages as a commodity. Both of those things can be observed as animalistic pack animal behavior. It can be argued that the philosophy of domestic scale culture is elevated. Where as it is egalitarian. The resources belong to everyone and are not sold or hoarded.
As far as "primitive" the word is somewhat ethnocentric. From a tribal percpective primitive is seen as a culture that "poops where it eats" or wipes out the local ecosystem. The first part meaning poisoning the drinking water. Sustainability is a philosophy and the main short sighted modern belief is that it is not a choice but do to underdeveloped culture. Completely false. Many of these cultures have advanced knowledge of ecology, herbalogy, local astronomy, and subsitance farming, and weather. Many tribes use "permaculture" which has been mistaken for a lack of farming. The other note is while civilizations come and go domestic scale culture lasts tens of thousands of years for the very reason of sustainability and population control. They have an advanced knowledge of how many people the environment can sustain.
Tribes are also in control of their domestic daily lives which we are not. We must sell our labor to survive which means doing others bidding and loosing control of our domestic lives.
Just wanted to point out the situation from a scientific perspective.
Originally posted by Movescamp
reply to post by Ophiuchus 13
It's all been done. The research is most likely there. For instance Hawaii was based on a hierarchy where the more powerful the leader the closer the kin. King and Queen were brother and sister. Because of the strength of their genes they had no birth defects. However if they had kept breeding the lack of genetic diversity would have lead to birth defects. The way the state was structure though was not lineage based.
Originally posted by blah yada
reply to post by vox2442
Both of these accounts describe an Ireland subjugated by ruthless capitalists.The country they describe was a giant plantation where the people were slaves 'on the land their forefathers conquered' to quote an American statesman.
No reference is made to things like Newgrange or Dun Aenghus or Lebor Galann Eireann.The ancient Irish were anything but primitive.
As for non white primitive cultures, I think they have undergone social devolution due perhaps to some calamity,possibly the great deluge or the Ice Age.Africa and South America are both home to some awesome ancient but extinct civilisations.But today the indigenous populations seem to exhibit none of the sophistication to be found in places like Mach Pichu.
If a massive global catastrophe occurs again,we will most likely see a descent into ignorance by most human groups.Only a fraction of today's knowledge would be retained and would quickly be misunderstood, corrupted, misapplied or lost completely.
In such a scenario, the group that manages to retain the most knowledge would ultimately end up in the driving seat until the next big shake up.Sounds kind of familiar doesn't it?