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Bob Lazar seems to confirm Zecharia Sitchin

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posted on Jan, 7 2011 @ 08:58 AM
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Originally posted by Condemned0625
I've seen the videos and I've known all the details of anti-gravity propulsion for a while. It works and it's true. There are grays that visit occasionally, they're from the Zeta Reticuli star system, they did genetically alter us 65 times (so far) and the government has been keeping this a secret since the 1940s.


I'ts blind belief statements like these that make this forum and others like it seem like they are just stuck in a loop similar to when a record keeps skipping to the same portion on the track over and over and over again. Can you please back up the above 'facts' please and without referring back to a Bob Lazar video. I want to believe I really do but I do not want to be a sheep. I want to believe like you do but first I need to understand why you do.




posted on Jan, 7 2011 @ 09:28 AM
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As they use accelerated protons as a method to transmutate elements in a particle accelerator it is quite clear that naturally occurring proton radiation does not contain enough energy to do this. How to prove this? Well quite simply transmutation is not observed to occur naturally.



posted on Jan, 7 2011 @ 09:35 AM
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I don't believe anything. I don't hold beliefs. I either know it or I don't know it, that's it. There's a preponderance of evidence that suggests we have been visited in the past and genetically enhanced, which explains why we have evolved so quickly. To think that the entire extraterrestrial phenomenon is just a hoax is laughable.

Example: A flying saucer hovers above my house for about an hour and I watch until it leaves. I tell someone else about it and they say "You have no evidence! You can't know that you saw it. What if you were dreaming? What if you were hallucinating?"

The fact is, I was there and the other person was not. I saw it with my own eyes and I am perfectly capable of knowing whether I'm awake, asleep or hallucinating. I was awake and what I saw cannot be changed, therefore I can know that I saw the saucer because I was the one who saw it and observed it for an hour.

The example above applies to Bob Lazar as well. Nobody can justifiably assert that he is lying because only he knows his experience in S4. He has no good reason to lie about it and nothing to gain from it, neither financial nor political gain. Nobody really has the right to label someone as a fraud just because their records are missing or insufficient. It's ignorant to suggest that he was just lying when there is still the possibility (I say it's a probability) that government forces erased his records in order to make him seem like a fraud to mainstream scientists. It could be that all of the skeptics are being misled by their own skepticism and not realizing that his credentials may have been wiped clean. Government has more power than most people think and they do use it to their advantage. I've seen declassified documents that aren't even available to most of the public. You have to go to certain places to even find and read them, such as the national archives. There are clearly secret operations that have been going on since the 40s and there is clearly much hidden technology that mainstream scientists do not understand. Just because Bob Lazar's explanation of the anti-gravity propulsion system defies known "laws" of physics does not mean it's false. As far as I'm concerned, most physics models are still theories. Just because physicists understand a small fraction of what there really is to discover, doesn't mean that their current understanding or "laws" can't be contradicted by other principles that they do not yet understand.



posted on Jan, 7 2011 @ 09:40 AM
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Originally posted by Clavicula
reply to post by Condemned0625
 


As they use accelerated protons as a method to transmutate elements in a particle accelerator it is quite clear that naturally occurring proton radiation does not contain enough energy to do this. How to prove this? Well quite simply transmutation is not observed to occur naturally.


Except in cases of radioactive decay that is.



posted on Jan, 7 2011 @ 09:50 AM
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Originally posted by Condemned0625 they did genetically alter us 65 times (so far)


Has anyone any details about what has been genetically modified on human beings ? I mean if people know that we have been genetically modified exactly 65 times, you would think the people who have/found this information (so who are in the know) would at least try and find out what was modified, it's just to easy to say and so just mumbo jumbo.



posted on Jan, 7 2011 @ 10:06 AM
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ok fair enough I understand where you are coming from but I still dont understand how you 'know' Bob is telling the truth or why you feel his anti gravity theories actually work. The main problem I have is frustration, I have been reading/watching/listening to the same old stuff for around 10 years now with no new information or credible/tangible proof which is why I am slowly leaning towards becoming very skeptical of a lot of things not just Lazar. One thing someone else mentioned in another thread on here is that if Lazar actually studied at CALTEC or MIT (cant remember which) that he would actually have papers published which would be very hard to mae disappear any thoughts on that?



posted on Jan, 7 2011 @ 10:21 AM
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Everything was modified; Brain capacity, adaptation capabilities, skeletal structure, reproduction, immunity, lifespan, etc.

We're not perfect, of course. We never will be perfect, but with more modification, we can achieve near perfection eventually. Some of the human-like alien species seem to have achieved perfection, but flaws always exist, even if they're only minor flaws. The goal is to get as close to perfection as you possibly can in order to minimize failure and ensure great success for your species. I've dealt with certain egotistical humans who think they can immediately dismiss many things when there are also many other things they do not understand. In fact, I'm actually ashamed of being part of humanity. I'm ashamed to be such an obsolete organism among many others who take great pride in themselves when they're not even remotely close to knowing 1% of all there is to know about the universe and the mechanisms that make it possible. That percentage might be lower or a little higher, depending on how much knowledge remains undiscovered.

In addition, the reason why I claim to know is because ancient history itself suggests that Lazar is telling the truth. I'm talking about discoveries all over the world that contain very similar stories of extraterrestrial intervention, some of them even being identical to others that originate on the other side of the planet, thousands of miles apart from each other. Is the Ancient Aliens show just a coincidence? Is it just an interview of a bunch of guys who are misinterpreting something? I don't think so. They're pointing out that the ancients are the ones who misinterpreted their sightings, which seems that way to me. There's even stories that describe extraterrestrials experimenting with human progress and accelerating it. These are new discoveries that unfold the truth even more as more discoveries are made. I'm not going to sit here and believe that a god did all of this.
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posted on Jan, 7 2011 @ 10:28 AM
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Originally posted by Condemned0625
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Everything was modified; Brain capacity, adaptation capabilities, skeletal structure, reproduction, immunity, lifespan, etc.


Are you just assuming this ? I mean someone saying as a fact that humans have had their dna modified 65, needs to bring a bit more details...



posted on Jan, 7 2011 @ 10:36 AM
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Ok unless any of us have actually first hand observed the states of these sub atomic particles and their behaviours and what they are capable of , then how can we say for certain that they can or cant do things pertaining to creating gravity fields !

I mean , why wouldnt scientists keep certain things from the general public , on the other hand why would they!

it's so easy to say that these particles ( anti matter) behave as they do , because we read it in a book or from someones theory , but thats just it , they are theories , unless there are laws of anti matter ?

Im not sure there are laws of anti matter , anyways Im still skeptical either way



posted on Jan, 7 2011 @ 10:38 AM
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Originally posted by WeSbO

Originally posted by Condemned0625
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Everything was modified; Brain capacity, adaptation capabilities, skeletal structure, reproduction, immunity, lifespan, etc.


Are you just assuming this ? I mean someone saying as a fact that humans have had their dna modified 65, needs to bring a bit more details...
Sure, I guess you could say I'm assuming it. It still has a much higher chance of being true than any religious assumption. I consider it a probability whereas the god concepts are not even close to being possibilities.



posted on Jan, 7 2011 @ 12:20 PM
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Originally posted by Clavicula
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As they use accelerated protons as a method to transmutate elements in a particle accelerator it is quite clear that naturally occurring proton radiation does not contain enough energy to do this. How to prove this? Well quite simply transmutation is not observed to occur naturally.



Utterly wrong on two levels:
a) cosmic rays contain a range of energies, and in some cases we observe energy far superior to anything achieved in the lab
b) "transmutation" due to cosmic rays happens routinely, such as in case of tritium (en.wikipedia.org...) and may others.

Essentially your post is 100% false.



posted on Jan, 7 2011 @ 12:22 PM
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i did fine a couple of things either well done by him or a very interesting coincidence... 1979 was the year of the supposed dulce war.
on a more hard fact side has anyone heard of the military using dates like he mentioned? 1623xx?



posted on Jan, 7 2011 @ 12:34 PM
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Originally posted by Condemned0625
Nobody can justifiably assert that he is lying because only he knows his experience in S4. He has no good reason to lie about it and nothing to gain from it, neither financial nor political gain. Nobody really has the right to label someone as a fraud just because their records are missing or insufficient.


There is a video of Bob where he really shines as a con artist:



He's pretending (in front of the ignorami) that he operates a particle accelerator in his backyard, in order to produce macroscopic quantities of LiH or LiD (there is inconsistency in the video, probably stemming from the fact that Bob confused himself with his lies). Either way, apart from placing "Danger! Radiation!" signs and blinkers in the woods, Bob could not have produced even a spoonful of material without spending a fortune on electricity bill. The prop his using in his con piece was probably also procured in a surplus store. Oh yeah, and you don't place megavolt rated equipment next to trees. Duh.

Note that the video mentions Li-6, of which natural abundance is only 7.5% of all Lithium. So in addition to his particle accelerator, Bob would also have to operate isotope separation facility, which involves a highly dangerous and toxic process (not to mention extremely expensive as well).

So there he is, lying through his teeth, and feeling secure in knowledge that 90% of his audience don't have decent education to catch that. For the remaining 10%, the guys is patently a fraud.


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posted on Jan, 7 2011 @ 01:02 PM
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Here is a report with Bob Lazar passing a lie detector test.



Are you suggesting you have proven Bob Lazar as a hoaxer?



posted on Jan, 7 2011 @ 01:37 PM
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I'll be glad when Bob Lazar gets his website back up and running.
We need new information.
Is he still in New Mexico?



posted on Jan, 7 2011 @ 02:02 PM
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Really? You really believe he built his hydrogen system and other inventions just as hoaxes to lie for some personal agenda? I could have sworn that I explained to you exactly how it all works. I guess you ignore facts because you think you have some sort of exclusive knowledge that "debunks" it. I watched the video and I've seen these things before, elsewhere. You also seem to ignore the fact that he passed a polygraph test.

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posted on Jan, 7 2011 @ 02:17 PM
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Originally posted by Condemned0625
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Really? You really believe he built his hydrogen system and other inventions just as hoaxes to lie for some personal agenda? I could have sworn that I explained to you exactly how it all works.


Yeah, please explain to me why he needs Li6D to store hydrogen, and calculate his electricity bill for manufacturing 2 pounds of same. You probably believe that his prop in the woods is a real accelerator. Well, you are just the crowd for Bob.



posted on Jan, 7 2011 @ 02:27 PM
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Here's a great video on UFO propulsion I believe is based on the ideas of Bob Lazar.

If you don't believe what is being imparted here the music is nice.




posted on Jan, 7 2011 @ 02:35 PM
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Right, Bob has a diabolical plan to deceive everyone by demonstrating "pseudoscience" that looks and acts exactly like science. Did you not see him producing hydrogen in the video? Must I link you to dozens of other videos that DEMONSTRATE hydrogen production in significant quantities? You're not a scientist and you don't work at the LHC. You know nothing about electrolysis and hydrogen production from water. Your claims are beyond laughable. You act like you know everything about this subject, yet you know nothing. I think you're a hoaxer and a fraud, pretending to know something by using anti-scientific arguments that clearly contradict the facts that support a proven demonstration. If you think you can debunk his experiments, why don't you pay him a visit and record it all on video? Then you can post it youtube and let us watch as you're proven wrong by a man who does these types of things for a living. Companies don't pay you for hoaxes and he's obviously still on his own, making a living with scientific work. [snip]

 
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posted on Jan, 7 2011 @ 03:28 PM
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Oh and by the way, here's some links. One of the websites displays dozens of hydrogen-powered cars that have already been manufactured, including machines that date all the way back to 1807.

focusfusion.org...
www.hydrogencarsnow.com...
www.hydrogencarsnow.com...
www.hydrogencarsnow.com...

Either you're extremely uneducated or you're pulling a prank.[snip]. As for Lazar's particle accelerator, I'm sure that piece of equipment is legitimate as well, unless it's just another one of his deception campaigns intended to brainwash everyone with "disinformation" posing as information.

Tell me, how is it that you think producing hydrogen consumes so much electricity when all that is needed is an electrical current? I could make it in my garage if I wanted to, but I'm sure you'd accuse me of being a hoaxer with an agenda to deceive people for some reason. You disappoint me.


 
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