It looks like you're using an Ad Blocker.

Please white-list or disable AboveTopSecret.com in your ad-blocking tool.

Thank you.

 

Some features of ATS will be disabled while you continue to use an ad-blocker.

 

Bob Lazar seems to confirm Zecharia Sitchin

page: 3
38
<< 1  2    4  5  6 >>

log in

join
share:

posted on Jan, 4 2011 @ 05:07 PM
link   
reply to post by buddhasystem
 


Ultraviolet radiation emits photons. Do you not know what photons are?

Ultraviolet Spectrum's main interaction with matter is the excitation of molecular and atomic valence electrons, including ejection of the electrons (photoelectric effect).

Yes, it can be greater than the effect of the particles that already bombard the environment here on Earth. I never said that it can be greater than the effects produced by gamma ray bursts or nuclear reactions within stars.

The bursts of energy from particle or matter-antimatter collisions are not massive in the sense of bombs exploding, but rather massive in the sense that the burst or explosion is many times larger than the particles. The particles are extremely small and an explosion the size of a baseball would be considered massive compared to size of the particles. Was that so hard for you to understand?

Quark-gluon plasma is produced when lead ions are collided. Multiple quark-gluon plasmas appear to have been created at the LHC with temperatures in the tens of trillions of degrees. Yes, plasma is contained with magnets to prevent it from diffusing heat into a surrounding medium or container.

You should know all of this since you are an alleged LHC employee.

In addition, quark-gluon plasma can be produced by the collision of other ions, not just lead ions. Colliding gold ions is an example.



edit on 4-1-2011 by Condemned0625 because: (no reason given)




posted on Jan, 4 2011 @ 05:22 PM
link   

Originally posted by Condemned0625
No, it didn't go straight over my head. I don't think you understand the difference between the particular protons that bombard everything on Earth and the protons that are shot at different materials in laboratories. There's a huge difference there. Before you assert that his explanation is nonsensical, I suggest that you find a way to demonstrate that it's false.

You're not doing a great job of looking like you know what you're talking about.

Basically it's like this. The difference with protons (NOT photons) in the laboratory or a particle collider is that they can be controlled or fired precisely at a target. Buddha, surely Lazar was not on about a chain reaction. He was talking about firing protons in a controlled way at the nucleus to make element 116 which (according to Lazar) decays immediately and triggers a controlled antimatter reaction. He claimed that element 115 is stable and therefore it is plausible that it could be handled. The protons in the environment would probably not cause enough decay to be a danger to Lazar.

I'm not vouching for the veracity of Lazar's claims but to try to debunk them with half baked science is not the way to go. If you're going to debunk then it needs to be solid arguments



posted on Jan, 4 2011 @ 05:26 PM
link   
reply to post by Pimander
 


I never said they used photons in the particle collisions for these particular experiments. I know they use protons and ions. I wish you people would actually retain all of my information after reading it. It gets annoying.

And yes, I think I did do a good job of explaining it. Read my last post. Opinions are merely opinions, not facts.
edit on 4-1-2011 by Condemned0625 because: (no reason given)

edit on 4-1-2011 by Condemned0625 because: (no reason given)



posted on Jan, 4 2011 @ 05:43 PM
link   

Originally posted by Condemned0625
reply to post by buddhasystem
 


Ultraviolet radiation emits photons. Do you not know what photons are?


Ultraviolet radiation does NOT "emit photons". In itself, it can be thought of as a stream or beam of photons.


Ultraviolet Spectrum's main interaction with matter is the excitation of molecular and atomic valence electrons, including ejection of the electrons (photoelectric effect).


We were talking about protons, weren't we?


Yes, it can be greater than the effect of the particles that already bombard the environment here on Earth. I never said that it can be greater than the effects produced by gamma ray bursts or nuclear reactions within stars.


Again, you are confused here -- are you talking about proton flux or something else?


Multiple quark-gluon plasmas appear to have been created at the LHC with temperatures in the tens of trillions of degrees. Yes, plasma is contained with magnets to prevent it from diffusing heat into a surrounding medium or container.


Plasma (for lack of a better word, because it's not really a plasma) which is produced at RHIC and LHC is not contained in any sort of magnets. It just fragments into a large number of particle which are detected in the apparatus or observed by materials around the interaction point, with no immediate damage to either. There is no enough energy for that. And again, there is no containment, plus the created object lives only as long as 10**-22 seconds or something like that.

You are way out of your depth when you try to talk physics, so your assessment of Lazar and his claims is simply worthless. You dragged solar UV into a topic where it did not remotely belong. You have no clue about interactions of protons and nuclei, and you substitute it with rather childish mentions of "bursts" etc.



posted on Jan, 4 2011 @ 05:46 PM
link   
reply to post by Condemned0625

Originally posted by Condemned0625
reply to post by Pimander
 

I never said they used photons in the particle collisions for these particular experiments. I know they use protons and ions. I wish you people would actually retain all of my information after reading it. It gets annoying.

I wasn't implying that you didn't know. The (NOT photons) bit was because Buddha misunderstood you when you were talking about photons and asked you how U.V. produces protons which you did not claim (sigh)...

A good job of explaining this? I think it took you about 5 posts to end up talking about U.V. radiation which has absolutely nothing to do with whether Lazar is right (about a nuclear reaction involving protons). You also needed me to explain why the claim that Lazar would disintegrate was spurious. I don't want to have a go at you. Just try to stick to the point being argued and then the readers might understand you.
edit on 4/1/11 by Pimander because: Added a quote

edit on 4/1/11 by Pimander because: (no reason given)



posted on Jan, 4 2011 @ 05:50 PM
link   

Originally posted by Pimander
He was talking about firing protons in a controlled way at the nucleus to make element 116 which (according to Lazar) decays immediately and triggers a controlled antimatter reaction


Care to comment on the origin of antimatter? Nuclear energy levels are just not sufficient to produce 2GeV necessary for say proton-antiproton pair creation.



posted on Jan, 4 2011 @ 05:56 PM
link   

Originally posted by Pimander
reply to post by Condemned0625
 

I wasn't implying that you didn't know. The (NOT photons) bit was because Buddha misunderstood you when you were talking about photons and asked you how U.V. produces protons which you did not claim (sigh)...


I didn't misunderstand anything, thank you. My point was that photons are irrelevant, and that there is a flux of protons that would lead to 115 experiencing constant energy release and depending on the product spectra, chain reaction (protons released from nuclei triggering other nuclei etc).

The only protons that you can "plug" into a nucleus are rather low energy, otherwise the latter will simply disintegrate into fragments before it can form the magical 116.



posted on Jan, 4 2011 @ 06:00 PM
link   
I've read a bit on Bob Lazar, and although certain things that he does say seem a bit out of proportion, other things he has said i cant discredit so easily.



Who else told him about the genetic alteration? Of course they told him that and of course it's relevant because the craft he reverse engineered was created by the extraterrestrials that modified our DNA. He's not "changing his story" to satisfy the public. He says he has no idea about aliens or their intentions because that's all he was told. "Here's a saucer, it came from another star system, these guys (Grays) made it and they messed around with our DNA a few times, now we need you to figure out exactly how it works." That's basically all he was told.


Condemned0625, I highly doubt he would be debriefed that the aliens had altered out genetic DNA make up 65 times previously before. I mean, it has no real relevance to his "objective" at Area 51 which was to reverse engineer these extraterrestrial aircraft. All the workers at that base are only given information on there specific task, and no others. Although most of you might have already seen this, it is a clip from UFO Hunters when they did the investigation on Area 51.

Here is a clip from UFO Hunters, with good ol' Bill Burnes. Here he interviews an ex worker of Area 51, he said that during certain times while he worked there, everyone would be taken to the mess hall or whatever you call it. From there curtains or blinds would block the windows and they would have to wait there till whatever task was being done outside was completed. With this type of security, i highly doubt he would have been given any other information. BTW It starts around 8:40 if you want to skip right to it.
www.youtube.com...

One thing I do think is odd about the whole Bob Lazar story was that his identity was slowly being erased. Stanton Friedman accused Lazar of never working at Los alamos and that he is a total fraud. I cannot find the link to the interview but i believe it might have been on his own personal website. www.stantonfriedman.com.... Although once again on UFO Hunters, Bill Burnes talks to George Knapp, who is an investigative journalist, and works for KLAS-TV. He did some background research on Lazar and found his name on the Los Alamos phone records, when he asked if he had ever worked there, they said they had no information on him. www.youtube.com... He also has a picture with him and his rocket car that he had created. I mean I dont think it would be possible for him to have worked at Los Alamos If all he had was a High school education.

Hope I have brought something to this thread



posted on Jan, 4 2011 @ 06:03 PM
link   
reply to post by buddhasystem
 


Yes, which is what I meant. A steady stream of photons. The sun is the example that emits photons. Just because I made a grammatical error doesn't mean I was lying.

You obviously don't know or fail to mention the controlled experiments in laboratories that involved containing super hot plasma with magnetism and I wasn't just talking about quark-gluon plasma in particular. I know how short the life of the results is. Are you just another troll trying to bull**** me with your bare assertion fallacies and belittling comments? Spare the arrogance for another time.



posted on Jan, 4 2011 @ 06:06 PM
link   
reply to post by Misanthropy
 





posted on Jan, 4 2011 @ 06:08 PM
link   
reply to post by Misanthropy
 


Not possible to have worked at Los Alamos, yet they found his name in the directory in the book? I've already seen UFO Hunters. Have you ever considered the possibility that the government has erased all of his credentials and told Los Alamos not to admit his association and employment there? You did mention that his credentials were slowly being erased, yet you don't think it's possible that he ever worked there because he supposedly only had a high school education, even though he's clearly said that his educational record was erased too. Government has more power than you think.



posted on Jan, 4 2011 @ 06:21 PM
link   
reply to post by buddhasystem
 

Originally posted by buddhasystem

Originally posted by Pimander
reply to post by Condemned0625
 

I wasn't implying that you didn't know. The (NOT photons) bit was because Buddha misunderstood you when you were talking about photons and asked you how U.V. produces protons which you did not claim (sigh)...


I didn't misunderstand anything, thank you.

Sorry Buddha you clearly did here.

Originally posted by buddhasystem

Originally posted by Condemned0625
It isn't necessarily protons bombarding us, but rather photons from ultraviolet radiation emitted by the sun.


Please answer the following two bullet points:

a) How does UV produce protons? Please explain in more detail.
b) Are you saying that cosmic rays coming to Earth (regardless of the Sun) do not contain protons?

Condemned wasn't referring to protons there.

I think I'm going to withdraw from this debate for now. I would like to look at the energy levels required for antimatter creation but I have to sleep soon (it's gone midnight in England and I have to go to work). You might have a point though I must admit. I think you might be better served researching this carefully (maybe using the research forum). This is getting less constructive all the time.

reply to post by Condemned0625
 

Apologies for criticising how well you explained. Who am I to judge?



posted on Jan, 4 2011 @ 06:24 PM
link   
reply to post by AngelHeart
 


Stan Friedman seems to have changed his views on what he thinks are frauds and falsities. Here's two of my favorite videos about the Majestic 12 documents: www.youtube.com... and www.youtube.com...

In one of the videos, Friedman found some of the documents at the national archives and was pretty surprised. His position was not a skeptical one in this scenario. Here's a website that hosts some of the documents: www.majesticdocuments.com

They were analyzed and some of them have a very high authenticity rating that just simply can't be denied by anyone with a decent brain.



posted on Jan, 4 2011 @ 06:24 PM
link   

Originally posted by Condemned0625
reply to post by buddhasystem
 


Yes, which is what I meant. A steady stream of photons. The sun is the example that emits photons. Just because I made a grammatical error doesn't mean I was lying.

You obviously don't know or fail to mention the controlled experiments in laboratories that involved containing super hot plasma with magnetism and I wasn't just talking about quark-gluon plasma in particular.


Hmm, so you mentioned
a) UV which is irrelevant for Lazar allegations
b) quark-gluon plasma that is equally irrelevant
c) magnetic containment irrelevant to (b)

And you never did answer the question of how the protons in the lab differ from protons elsewhere. That is because you can't, and you try fog and mirrors like (a), (b) and (c). I'm afraid you are out of buzzwords, and there is not much else available to you in terms of education.


And now you are trying to pass THAT for a grammatical error:

It isn't necessarily protons bombarding us, but rather photons from ultraviolet radiation emitted by the sun.


Puh-leeze.



posted on Jan, 4 2011 @ 06:27 PM
link   

Originally posted by Condemned0625
reply to post by Misanthropy
 


Not possible to have worked at Los Alamos, yet they found his name in the directory in the book?


We've been through this a bazillion times. Any lab employs contractors. These can be anything from janitorial services to programmers. If I remember correctly, Bob was doing some film development for them, because he did own a film development business. This was after he secured a financial interest in a brothel, where his contribution was to maintain audio-visual equipment.


In 1984 Lazar borrows $4,000 from his mother and according to the OMNI-Magazine (April issue 1994) in 1985 he buys a a Brothel called "the Reno Brothel" while "on vacation in Nevada" This brothel, which he owned with his wife and renamed "Honeymoon Suckle", was so profitable that he didn't have to return to full time employment for a while. In his bankruptcy papers filed in 1986 there's no mention of any aincome of this brothel, but the file says that he hadn't payed back the money he owned his mother. Instead he had bought a Chevrolet Corvette for $19,000... The year before (1985) he also borrowed a number of other sums like:

$15,000 from his father and repaid only $1,000 by the time of bankruptcy filing.

$60,000 from Los Alomos National Bank which he secured wuth his $7,9000 worth Honda. He only repaid $1,300 by the time of bankruptcy filing.

$12,000 from the same bank to build his new photo processing business. He only repaid $300 by the time of bankruptcy filing.

$5,000 via a "three minute loan" from Security Pacific Finance Corp. of Albaquerque, New Mexico.

$2,000 from John Horne of Los Alomos for downpayment on a jet car that wasn't repaid at the time of bankruptcy filing.

During this his wife buys a new residence in Las Vegas while Robert stayed remained in Los Alomos. Lazar remarried with Tracy Ann Murk, but he was appearantly still married to Carol as no divorce papers were filed. On April 21 Carol commited suicide by carbon monixide poisioning as she inhalated motor vehicle exhaust. After this Lazar moves to Carols house on Ann Greta Street and he takes over her photographic processesing-firm which he loses in the liquidation-bankruptcy which he voulentarily filed on July 21, 1986. In these files there's no mention of his employment at Los Alomos National Laboratory and he stated that his income was "unknown" and his only income was from the photgraphic process-company. He also stated that $15,000 had vanished with his accountant. He also stated that his monthly expenses was $15,510 of which he only managed to pinpoint $2,360, the rest he never specified. On October John Lear 12 he re-marries Tracy, she goes with another name (Jackie Dianne Evans) and the reason to that is still unknown. They marry at the "Chapel of Love" in Las Vegas. The certificate was send to the Ann Great adress.


www.ufo.se...


edit on 4-1-2011 by buddhasystem because: added URL



posted on Jan, 4 2011 @ 06:27 PM
link   
reply to post by AngelHeart
 

Ah thanks for the clip AngelHeart, that has cleared up somethings on him.


And Condemned0625, I was more with you on that part of Lazar's story, that his credentials actually were slowly being erased. I mentioned the part about his High school education because i knew he could not have made a rocket car, etc, with minimal education. So it must have meant he went to some college/university or what not, and that those records have been erased. I am aware that the government has a lot of power
I've been into conspiracy's and that sort of thing for a while now, that is why i decided to finally make an account on the site.

I must say though, the video posted above sure does sort of discredit him though, him going to MIT and the other College with such a long distance between them does not seem plausible.

Hopefully my posting isnt to confusing atm with reply's to a specific person, and then mentioning someone else in it as well, still trying to wrap my head around this whole posting thing



posted on Jan, 4 2011 @ 06:29 PM
link   
reply to post by Pimander
 


I do tons of research all the time. The information I provided can be verified if you're willing to research it yourself. I don't expect you to just take my word for it, which is why I encourage people to seek information and verify it.



posted on Jan, 4 2011 @ 06:31 PM
link   
reply to post by Misanthropy
 


No worries. I must say that it is still possible that he traveled great distances to get his education. People do that all the time, so it's certainly plausible.



posted on Jan, 4 2011 @ 06:31 PM
link   
reply to post by Condemned0625
 


Yes he has about that particular subject, however Lazar definitely did lie about his education. Even if the government could erase every document (this was the early 80's everything was still on paper), professors and students would still remember him.



posted on Jan, 4 2011 @ 06:33 PM
link   
reply to post by buddhasystem
 


You're repeating information that I already know...again.



new topics

top topics



 
38
<< 1  2    4  5  6 >>

log in

join