reply to post by iamaperson
Alrighty, so I'm going to try to add some stuff that others haven't, as others have added some great stuff already. I might be repeating some of
what others said, just because I find it necessary.
Originally posted by iamaperson
This request is for Anti-Theists to fulfill, as they are the ones not only making a statement that God does not exist, but that there should be no
No, atheism is the lack of belief in a deity, not the direct statement that a deity does not exist. It's "I do not believe God exists" not "God
does not exist". "God does not exist" would be an epistemologically based statement, not a belief based one. It would be the statement of a gnostic
So why should there be no religion?
Because it's harmful and untruthful.
To be on a mission to abolish all religion,
We're not on a mission to abolish religion. We don't want it legally banned, we don't want it removed by force. Well, some of us do, but I don't
agree with those individuals.
I would suspect that you have undeniable proof that God does not exist,
No, we just have a lack of any
proof that any
deity exists, not just the capitalized monotheistic one.
and that religion is dangerous/bad/you know what I mean.
Oh, there's plenty of that. There is an inverse relation between societal health and religiosity, there's a negative correlation between religiosity
and IQ scores (though this one needs a bit more research, I think the methodology looks sound), etc. In the USA, atheists make up around 10% of the
population, yet they make up around 1% of prison populations. In the USA, atheists are less likely to get divorced, have abortions, have an STD,
and/or get pregnant as teenagers.
To date I have not heard a good enough argument for either of those.
Well, let's address the issue of God's existence.
To be frank, it is an extraordinary claim
that any deity exists, far more extraordinary when you consider how many other deities are claimed to
Now, an atheist (more specifically, an agnostic atheist as I have not actually met a gnostic atheist in my time) is an individual for who the claims
of any deity has not met the burden of proof, not a person who claims that those proposed beings don't exist.
It would be more reasonable of me to ask you how you know Poseidon, Vishnu, Sussanoo, Quetzalcoatl, Nut, etc don't exist and why you accept your
specific deity over all those other claims than it would be for you to attack me for not accepting your single claim.
We reject most claims more or less equally. Some are slightly more ridiculous than others.
The reason being that I could quite easily come up with a thing off the top of my head that, like any deity, is impossible to prove doesn't exist.
Like an invisible, incorporeal, space-faring spoon that gives peanut butter to those who believe it with all their hearts. Or I could just come out
with many of the already established examples: Could you prove that Sagan's garage dragon doesn't exist? Could you prove that the Invisible Pink
Unicorn doesn't exist? Could you prove that the Flying Spaghetti Monster doesn't exist? etc.
As I said, I am aiming this question kindly at the anti-theists who might be lurking around on ATS, because atheists can safely assume that since
there is no evidence or reason for religion, there is no god, and do not need to have evidence against God, and therefore probably do not know of any
evidence, but of course if anyone has anything to contribute, please do so.
Anti-theism isn't saying there is evidence against a deity, it's saying that the belief in a deity is harmful and dangerous.
As for evidence against a specific deity? I can actually come up with reasons why certain deities are either incredibly unlikely or logically
Anyway, this is my first thread, and I had nothing really to contribute in any topic, so I decided just to get a thread started on a religious topic
in the off-topic side. This is just something I have always wondered, does anyone actually have any proof against religion, or does everyone rely upon
the fact that there is apparently no proof for God.
Well, there's quite a lot of proof that religion itself is harmful. Case in point, the country I live in, Malta. We have all sorts of societal issues
because of religion (specifically the Catholic Church). Our nation is one of maybe 2 in the world that doesn't allow for divorce. Our nation had
censorship laws and has previously banned films on religious grounds (like The Last Temptation of Christ), people are regularly convicted of blasphemy
(hundreds a year in a nation of 400,000 people), and people have to watch how they speak out against the Church lest they violate a law that prevents
the vilification of it.
Finally, if anyone has proof for God, share that too.
I actually tried that a while ago, but it became an incredibly muddled discussion. You can check my thread history, I think it's entitled "Proofs of
God/reasons to believe in one" or something like that.