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Originally posted by Ghost147
reply to post by zoomer72
Did you message evpman (the one who uploaded it to youtube)? Because he isn't the guy who filmed it, in the video description he says "Found this on www.disclose.tv"
your not going to get much of anything useful from him unless it's a direct link to his source.
There isn't going to be a visual of where she's attached because you can take that out in editing. The way she is moving in the air is very curious though because it's exactly how first time actors move on a simple rigging system too. Is it conclusive? no. But i've downloaded the video and am putting it in after effects to clear the quality up and see if i can reduce the camera shaking
Originally posted by pikappa
Originally posted by ommadawn
The onus is on the poster (yes the original poster) of the material to convince the audience that
what they have is factual.
It is not a game just chucking something you found in the trash can on stage and then demand that everyone debunk it.
You're the only one demanding anything here. Get over yourself. I understand it must be frustrating for you to be presented with something that challenges your belief system and that you can't easily debunk, but that's not a good reason to lash out at the OP like that!
Originally posted by ommadawn
Doesn't work like that, so all this "something I found on Youtube, that's all I know" crap doesn't really cut it anymore. Life is too short.
How about we start with date, time and location for this one?
Unfortunately that's exactly how it works. OP finds something interesting on youtube and puts it up on ATS for all of us to discuss and marvel at. I, for one, am grateful to the OP for this useful service he provides. I also would like to know more about when and where the video was shot, but like you said, life is too short. You're free to do whatever amount of research / investigation is needed to find out though!
Originally posted by ommadawn
Then go away.
Don't waste our time.
Oh my, aren't you a tough guy?
Originally posted by Ghost147
reply to post by zoomer72
Ah good, in which case the chances of you getting any reply from him are pretty low if he hasn't been on for a year. Hope you speak Russian well
Originally posted by firegoggles
reply to post by zoomer72
I waited 3 days to see if anyone notice what I noticed, and no one did!
You can plainly see a man holding a stick walking back and forth in the background. They tried to edit him out but you can still see him. They have this child on a giant fishing pole rig.
Nice vid and all, but yea it's a slight waste of time.
DEBUNKED.
Originally posted by Ghost147
I've been promoted to a professional now? nice!
There is nothing to contribute to this thread other than what has already been said.
From what can be seen in the video the same stunt can be played out using a very simple rigging system and a program anyone can get for free to remove the sight of any wires or ropes from the rigging system. That is as much contribution as you will ever get in this thread. sorry to say that, but that's about it.
On one side you'll have "it's real" "It's Magic" "It's a miracle". And you find those comments contribution? "these events happen all the time, I've seen them with my own eyes" this is contribution?
Or...
"He sounds like he's acting, badly I might add" "Did anyone notice that the dog was looking at the people before he ran off?" Might not have been true, but both of these are actually contribution. it's not speculation, you can see it in the film. "The child is moving just like any first-timer on a budget made rigging system" That isn't contribution?
Are either sides of these statements finite? are they going to solve anything? chances are fairly low because frankly the video is pretty spot on, hoax or not. But the fact that all of the "professional debunkers" (AKA, yours truly, apparently) are stating things that anyone can see in the videos and things that can relate to what we know in the physical and psychological world, that's all the evidence for either side that your going to get.
Sorry, but your putting a lot of effort into something that on one side is very provable (the debunking side) and the other side which can only be speculation (the supernatural side).
In the video provided, there can only be evidence drawn to one side, not because i'm biased, but because there is only evidence to prove it as false. and if that evidence doesn't arrive it can't simply be said to be supernatural (or other) because what has been given cannot be retested with what we have.
You've started a topic looking for the possibility of two answers when only one can be given. It's either false, or unanswerable.
the camera fakes you. . .
Originally posted by Dotted
In soviet russia ..... ?