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Topic started on 3-1-2011 @ 10:12 AM by whaaa

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The leader of a pro-gay conservative group said that he believed that more American conservatives now welcome gays into their political community.

"The real story is that the conservative movement is more united than ever," Christopher Barron of GOProud said on MSNBC's "The Ed Show" Saturday.

He continued, "There are a few people, people like birther king Joseph Farah and the WorldNetDaily crowd who make their living trying to grab attention, grab headlines, divide the movement. The fact is the conservative movement is united. We`re winning..."

Guest host Cenk Uygur, however, questioned Barron's definition of winning at a time when an overwhelming majority of Republicans voted against the repeal of the US military's "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy.

I don't believe that conservatives welcome gays. I don't believe that conservatives welcome people of color. I think that all this "Big Tent" talk is just PR to try and attract moderates like myself.
In fact I believe that the GOP wants to usher in Corporate Fascism wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross.

reply posted on 3-1-2011 @ 11:41 AM by Mak Manto

reply to post by whaaa

Bingo. A Christian theocracy where God and the Bible have greater value then the Constitution, where equal rights, liberty and justice, and freedoms we enjoy, are seen as a sin by many.

I know I might I get ridiculed by this, but you have a great example coming up in 2012, who's, right now, the leading nominee for the Republican nomination:

Sarah Palin.

reply posted on 3-1-2011 @ 12:15 PM by pthena

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I don't believe that conservatives welcome gays. I don't believe that conservatives welcome people of color. I think that all this "Big Tent" talk is just PR to try and attract moderates like myself.
In fact I believe that the GOP wants to usher in Corporate Fascism wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross.

Biggest conservative names bidding goodbye to CPAC
I don't think I care much who shows up for CPAC conventions anyway. I read a lot of opinion pieces from individuals associated with the ACU (American Conservative Union) and value their opinions highly.

This other group:

FRC and CWA join the American Principles Project, American Values, Capital Research Center, the Center for Military Readiness, Liberty Counsel, and the National Organization for Marriage in withdrawing from CPAC. In November, APP organized a boycott of CPAC over the participation of GOProud

Read more: Biggest conservative names bidding goodbye to CPAC www.wnd.com...

Thinks of conservatism as the pushing of Judeo-Christian morality. I suppose the split-up is inevitable.

Liberty Counsel responded by sending a protest letter to the ACU.

"The only way we would return to CPAC now is if CPAC openly disassociated itself from GOProud and carried on a pattern of activity that convinces us they are truly broad-based conservatives."

Both FRC and Liberty Counsel said they would direct their efforts to rival conferences that respect moral conservatism.

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reply posted on 3-1-2011 @ 12:23 PM by whaaa

Originally posted by Mak Manto
reply to post by whaaa

Bingo. A Christian theocracy where God and the Bible have greater value then the Constitution, where equal rights, liberty and justice, and freedoms we enjoy, are seen as a sin by many.

I know I might I get ridiculed by this, but you have a great example coming up in 2012, who's, right now, the leading nominee for the Republican nomination:

Sarah Palin.

God help us....

The old cliche "God please protect us from your followers" rings more true today than when I first heard it when Rev. Pat R. ran for the WH.

The real power behind the GOP in my opinion it this bunch of yahoos.

en.wikipedia.org...

I also think they are the brains, money and motivation behind the TPM. Just speculation.....

reply posted on 3-1-2011 @ 04:55 PM by centurion1211

Originally posted by whaaa

I don't believe that conservatives welcome gays.

However, what you believe does not make it the truth - no matter how many times you repeat it.

I don't believe that conservatives welcome people of color.

Again, what you believe does not make it the truth - no matter how many times you repeat it in hopes people will start to accept it as "fact".

And shsshhh! - please don't tell people like Clarence Thomas, Condoleeza Rice, Colin Powell, and many others that conservatives don't accept them.

The only real fact is that it was liberals who tried everything they could to trash them.

In fact I believe that the GOP wants to usher in Corporate Fascism wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross.

You said "In fact I believe ..."

There's your real problem.

reply posted on 3-1-2011 @ 05:11 PM by thisguyrighthere

Why does anyone care where I stick my penis?

There is no reason for any government save to protect its own interests at my expense.

Posted Via ATS Mobile: m.abovetopsecret.com

reply posted on 3-1-2011 @ 07:03 PM by saltheart foamfollower

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Hey whaaa, I could care less if you are purple with pink polka dots, have sex with goats and worship at the altar of beelzebub.

What I have a problem with is you enforcing your beliefs by stealing from me to push your agenda.

Now, you will find many on the social conservative side that believe in A LOT of what you do, that you both want to force your beliefs upon others. I am working on some of them, there is one thing they will never bend on though, that is killing people. I do not blame them.

Kinda like the way you will not bend on stealing the labor and property of others.

To me, I find the social conservative to be less a problem than tyrants.

Just me though, some people in the current administration like historical political figures like Mao.

So I guess everything is even huh, not?

edit to add-but keep pushing that hyperbole, it worked well in election 2010, oh maybe not

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reply posted on 3-1-2011 @ 07:15 PM by Annee

Originally posted by whaaa
I don't believe that conservatives welcome gays. I don't believe that conservatives welcome people of color. I think that all this "Big Tent" talk is just PR to try and attract moderates like myself.
In fact I believe that the GOP wants to usher in Corporate Fascism wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross.

Don't you need to define what a Conservative is?

Just because the media got "owned" by the Christian Right - - - does not mean they represent all conservatives.

Nor does the Corporate Conservatives.

There are also Fiscal Conservative - - Social Liberals - - who support all the Equal Rights stuff.

reply posted on 3-1-2011 @ 09:08 PM by whaaa

Originally posted by Annee

Don't you need to define what a Conservative is?

.

How's this?

www.youtube.com...

YouTube Link

And this....

www.abovetopsecret.com...

And this fine example of conservativeism...

www.youtube.com...

YouTube Link

"By their fruits ye shall know them"

www.shelovesgod.com...

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reply posted on 4-1-2011 @ 12:13 AM by centurion1211

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by whaaa
I don't believe that conservatives welcome gays. I don't believe that conservatives welcome people of color. I think that all this "Big Tent" talk is just PR to try and attract moderates like myself.
In fact I believe that the GOP wants to usher in Corporate Fascism wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross.

Don't you need to define what a Conservative is?

Just because the media got "owned" by the Christian Right - - - does not mean they represent all conservatives.

Nor does the Corporate Conservatives.

There are also Fiscal Conservative - - Social Liberals - - who support all the Equal Rights stuff.

Thank you Annee.

An unexpected voice of reason on this thread pointing out the very broad brush the OP is attempting to use to paint what they call "conservatives".

C'mon OP, you think it's also OK to paint all liberals as stalin-era communists?

This is really starting to smell like a political trolling thread ...

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reply posted on 4-1-2011 @ 12:20 AM by Gakus

Originally posted by whaaa
www.rawstory.com...

The leader of a pro-gay conservative group said that he believed that more American conservatives now welcome gays into their political community.

"The real story is that the conservative movement is more united than ever," Christopher Barron of GOProud said on MSNBC's "The Ed Show" Saturday.

He continued, "There are a few people, people like birther king Joseph Farah and the WorldNetDaily crowd who make their living trying to grab attention, grab headlines, divide the movement. The fact is the conservative movement is united. We`re winning..."

Guest host Cenk Uygur, however, questioned Barron's definition of winning at a time when an overwhelming majority of Republicans voted against the repeal of the US military's "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy.

I don't believe that conservatives welcome gays. I don't believe that conservatives welcome people of color. I think that all this "Big Tent" talk is just PR to try and attract moderates like myself.
In fact I believe that the GOP wants to usher in Corporate Fascism wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross.

You do infact realize it was Republicans in the United States who were always more progessive than the left, correct?

Freeing slaves was a Republican agenda, preserving the environment has always been a Republican agenda.

I love Liberals who seem to think the Republican party is full of bigoted rednecks and consider the Democratic party the one who embraces all.

You really need to do your research, you show your true ignorance.

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reply posted on 4-1-2011 @ 12:20 AM by centurion1211

reply to post by saltheart foamfollower

There you go again (paraphrasing Reagan),

Trying to use logic and reason to discuss a topic with those seemingly unwilling to employ either.

Why continue to feed political trolls (aka really bad losers)?

reply posted on 4-1-2011 @ 02:17 PM by Mak Manto

Originally posted by saltheart foamfollower
reply to post by whaaa

Hey whaaa, I could care less if you are purple with pink polka dots, have sex with goats and worship at the altar of beelzebub.

What I have a problem with is you enforcing your beliefs by stealing from me to push your agenda.

Now, you will find many on the social conservative side that believe in A LOT of what you do, that you both want to force your beliefs upon others. I am working on some of them, there is one thing they will never bend on though, that is killing people. I do not blame them.

Kinda like the way you will not bend on stealing the labor and property of others.

To me, I find the social conservative to be less a problem than tyrants.

Just me though, some people in the current administration like historical political figures like Mao.

So I guess everything is even huh, not?

edit to add-but keep pushing that hyperbole, it worked well in election 2010, oh maybe not
edit on 3-1-2011 by saltheart foamfollower because: (no reason given)

I find them like tyrants.

I don't care what an old book has to say on things. I don't care if somebody's God finds what they do disgusting or immoral.

Social conservatives believe that they have the right to tell others how to live their lives, and it's not just homosexuality.

It's what books, movies, games, music should be allowed. It's that they believe pornography should be banned. Social conservatism is a major problem because social conservatives feel the need to press their religion and their beliefs on everyday life.

And I'm a Christian, so I don't want people to think I'm some kind of mean atheist or something. It's just that the Founders of this country understood that a country ruled by a religion is as good as death.

Do you understand why they rebelled against England?

reply posted on 4-1-2011 @ 02:26 PM by saltheart foamfollower

reply to post by Mak Manto

You did understand that I find the forcing of ones belief on another wrong correct? If you did not understand my comment.

But, the social conservatives do not steal labor and property and use that to push their agenda.

When was the last time you saw a school teaching the social conservative agenda?

NOW, when was the last time you heard of a public school pushing the MARXIST agenda? Like about 30 seconds ago and every second prior to that?

Like I said, their stance on abortion I find to be a very relevant argument. As for the argument the Marxists have that we all need to be the same, they can stick that.................

reply posted on 6-1-2011 @ 12:57 AM by DINSTAAR

I am not going to dignify the obvious bigotry in this thread with a response to it.

I will say this though....

The modern level of communication and social interaction has led, and will continue to lead people down the road of acceptance. Most people know, and personally like, someone who is gay, black, white, hispanic, or another religion. Even people against the idea of homosexuality have opened up to gays and lesbians because they interact with these people. They can no longer seperate themselves from these people, and this is allowing the person with preconceived notions to, in the least, tolerate someone of different ideas or race etc. These personal interactions impact peoples mindsets profoundly.

It is no surprise to me that conservatives are opening up to gays (and gays to conservatives). There is no wall between these two groups of people. They drink out of the same water fountains. We all do.

I think that the left will soon lose their monopoly on gay people, black people, and other subgroups of humans. The ignorance that the conservatives have had is going away, as well as the ignorance others have of conservatives in general.

Also, I think a lot of the conservative right's acceptance of gay people has to do with them adopting some libertarian principles. I think the left needs to start doing the same, or else be rendered irrelevant.

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