Pentagon Transcripts, Official Records Belie ‘The 9/11 Commission Report’

reply to post by Soloist



"Did anyone who directly saw the actual impact claim it was a missile"?

Professor David Edwards of Salisbury University reports that on the morning of 9/11, a young couple burst into his subway car at L’Enfante Station and started shouting: "We were standing at the Pentagon Station, waiting for the train to come, and we saw a missile fly into the Pentagon! We saw it, we saw it!".

It would be nice if the professor or someone could get a hold of this couple to find out what they saw.

reply to post by GodIsPissed


And.....once again, further evidence that the reason for the "9/11 conspiracy" is:

People who WANT to "believe" in a conspiracy will do so, based on any unsubstantiated story they read or hear....without considering, nor checking, the "source".

My post from YOUR thead, "GodIsPissed", where your OP repeated this same lie (from the "examiner.com" so-called 'article'):

As already noted.....that "source" is not valid.

Further discrediting it, from the bit you repeated, said to be from the "article":

....a young couple burst into his subway car at L’Enfante Station and started shouting: ‘We were standing at the Pentagon Station, waiting for the train to come, and we saw a missile fly into the Pentagon! We saw it, we saw it!’..in the same link I provided.

Obviously, whoever wrote that is not very familiar with the D.C. Metro System.

The Pentagon station is underground. From the Pentagon to L'Enfant (no 'e' on the end) it's one stop, on the Yellow Line. But, looking at the map: www.wmata.com...

....the tracks are above ground at the National Airport, then they tunnel under to the Crystal City, Pentagon City and Pentagon stations. Not going back above ground until leaving the Pentagon, to cross the Potomac on the bridge adjacent to the highway overpass.

Standing on the platform, and "waiting for the train"?? Ain't gonna see nuthin'....

Oh, and the entrance, "street level"? On the South East side, two sides away from the impact point. Take a look at Google Maps....all the buses arrive/depart there, and is also the location of entry for the escalators down to the Metro station. (On Maps, go to "satellite view"....you can see the Metro train tracks exiting the tunnel from under I-395, near the interchange/exit labelled "10C"....they exit heading East, curve to the North East and parallel the CSX Railroad mainline tracks across the river....).

Bogus...!

reply to post by weedwhacker


All you do is repeat lies, and mistruths, and try to convince people how likely it is that the fairy tale is true.

reply to post by GrinchNoMore


???

Really? Do you mean, in that post right above? Care to point out any "lies" or "mistruths" in it?

I mean....you can look at the really, really good, clear and detailed satellite images from Google, and see the Metro train tracks. Start at the Airport, and then follow along.....use the WMATA system map as a reference, or some other maps. Sheesh, I ride the Metro all the time, am very familiar with it. Whomever wrote that "story" about a young couple waiting for the train at the Pentagon is full of it....they made it up.

Perhaps there are even some photos from inside the Metro station itself, online. Haven't checked yet.......

Oh, and you can go to "street view"....check around the Pentagon City area, where the Metro entrances are. Two of them, either side of S. Hayes Street, corner of12th St. where it "T"s into Hayes. Just about in front of the Ritz-Carlton Hotel, and then on other side, where the "Sleepy's" mattress store is, in the other mall centre. See those grayish roofs?? Those are the rain covers for the escalators, going down to the Metro underneath. The tracks remain underground, to the Pentagon, as I said, before popping out well East of the Pentagon area proper.

Once down in "street view" you see the "Linen's and Things" store sign....THAT shows how old that photo is....L&T closed years ago, in that location. "Best Buy" expanded into the space, now.

Prove me wrong...or better yet, prove me a "liar"......


Oh, and fun fact ....related, in a slightly off way: Looking Northwards up Hayes, across 12th Street, those business buildings? The TSA headquarters are in there, now....along with other tenants....and YES, there is tight security....car entrances to the parking structures are around the corner, on Fern Street. The 12th St. side have those concrete barriers....and around onto Fern St too, disguised as planters. Go up Fern, to the guard shacks at the auto entrance to parking......

Originally posted by GodIsPissed
reply to post by Soloist

 

"Did anyone who directly saw the actual impact claim it was a missile"?

Professor David Edwards of Salisbury University reports that on the morning of 9/11, a young couple burst into his subway car at L’Enfante Station and started shouting: "We were standing at the Pentagon Station, waiting for the train to come, and we saw a missile fly into the Pentagon! We saw it, we saw it!".

It would be nice if the professor or someone could get a hold of this couple to find out what they saw.

I already addressed that one.

It's hearsay and doesn't answer the question.

Originally posted by Soloist

Actually 3 were released. The Citgo video only shows a possible shadow of the plane, and the Doubletree video shows the explosion as seen from the opposite side of the building.

Again, no clear proof of an airplane! If you think that's the best video proof our government can provide you're fooling yourself. Do you really think a building that contains top secret files and defense documents only has (2) security cameras? How convenient that they released a video that only showed an explosion from the opposite side of the building. "Possible shadow of plane" come on, I've seen blurred UFO videos that had more detail than what the government has released.

Here you go making the mistake that the government thinks the tiny minority of people who believe in these "conspiracy theories" deserve some sort of special treatment, or more proof than what has already been out there for years.

Tiny Minority? I wouldn't consider 1/3 of the American public a tiny minority!!

"Proof" what proof? Their has been more credible proof from 9/11 Architects & Engineers for Truth, Pilots for 9/11 Truth, Engineering Professors, eye witnesses, retired Generals, and legitimate questions raised by relatives of victims of 9/11 who personally attended the 9/11 committee sessions than the OS.

That being said, even if they had 100 different videos of perfect clarity, showing the plane flying into the building, there would still be conspiracy theories. This is a never-ending, constantly morphing and twisting chase down the rabbit hole that will never be satisfied.

"Even if they had" what exactly are you saying? This wasn't a mom and pop's five and 10 store that the government was protecting! You really believe a building such as the Pentagon wouldn't have a clear enough video that would have caught a plane descending or plowing into the building? I think you're living in a rabbit hole.

The messenger doesnt matter, especially when the message is this clear.



When will you American cowards stand up and demand the men responsible for the greatest crime ever inflicted on America be held accountable?

Your parents managed to end Vietnam,
Their parents managed to end WW2
Their parents managed to end WW1

.. all you seem to do is end a series of Big Brother, A bigmac and the bottle of pills the TV told you to buy.

Click here to learn more about this warning.

"People who WANT to "believe" in a conspiracy will do so, based on any unsubstantiated story they read or hear....without considering, nor checking, the "source".

Yeah and all the evidence has nothing to do with it right?

More than one person got together and conspired to commit mass murder.It's a conspiracy no matter who's right.

If anyone has evidence that proves 19 Arabs with box cutters pulled off 9/11 I'm all eyes!All I see is proof that what the government told us about 9/11 was a lie.

reply to post by WeRpeons


There are several videos that would have captured the whole event at the pentagon as clear as day.The hotel had a perfect shot with one of their cameras but they took it down for some reason.There's a video about it somewhere.I'll look for it.There were cameras right above the impact on the pentagon but they were removed before 9/11.There's a video floating around on that too..I'm searching now.

Originally posted by WeRpeons
Again, no clear proof of an airplane!

So, where's the proof of a "missile", or anything other than an airplane, which was reported by dozens of eyewitnesses?

Tiny Minority? I wouldn't consider 1/3 of the American public a tiny minority!!

Yes, tiny. If you truly think 1/3 of the American public believes in this nonsense, you are fooling only yourself.

"Proof" what proof? Their has been more credible proof from 9/11 Architects & Engineers for Truth, Pilots for 9/11 Truth, Engineering Professors, eye witnesses, retired Generals, and legitimate questions raised by relatives of victims of 9/11 who personally attended the 9/11 committee sessions than the OS.

These silly little clubs have proven nothing in almost a decade now.

"Even if they had" what exactly are you saying?

Exactly what I said.

It isn't that hard to figure out. No matter what anyone would ever produce there would still be some silly new theory. We've seen it time and again. It's never ending.

reply to post by OptimistPrime

Wow, here we go with the Rothschild Anti-Defamation League style tactics.

Your Honor, I rest my case.

reply to post by hooper


Yes indeed, the case IS rested, And now if you would stand by your claim that you are done....no appeals please.

Originally posted by GrinchNoMore
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Yes indeed, the case IS rested, And now if you would stand by your claim that you are done....no appeals please.

No, no appeals - you went right for the "Rothschilds". Thank you for confirming everyone of my suspicions. Its all about just being critical of Israel foreign policy and yet the first thing you think of is the "Rothschilds". A little of the old "international banker", huh?

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Quoting President Lincoln "this government of the people, by the people and for the people" means exactly that. Our government works for us not the other way around. It's their elected duty to provide evidence of their accusation beyond a reasonable doubt. This isn't a dictatorship where we blindly accept any accusations the government tells us. Any court of law in the United States would expect a prosecuting attorney to provide evidence beyond a reasonable doubt to prove his case. Our government is not above the law. Murder cases have been investigated more thoroughly than the largest tragedy to America since Pearl Harbor. And yes they are on trial here! When 1/3 of the people in this country questions the official 9/11 investigation, and relatives of victims of 9/11 are requesting an impartial investigation, it's the government who's required to show the burden of proof that it was not a missile that struck the Pentagon. They work for us, and as a tax paying American citizen, it's my right under the constitution to demand an impartial and fair investigation into a tragedy that was used to enter 2 wars.

Originally posted by WeRpeons
They work for us, and as a tax paying American citizen, it's my right under the constitution to demand an impartial and fair investigation into a tragedy that was used to enter 2 wars.

You can stamp your little feet and demand whatever you want to, and that is your right.

HJowever, no where in the constitution does it state silly conspiracy theorists must be obeyed by the government when they stamp their feet and have a hissy fit.

Originally posted by WeRpeons

***SNIP***

It's the government who's required to show the burden of proof that it was not a missile that struck the Pentagon.

No one saw a missile hit the Pentagon, sorry. There has not been a report from anyone on the scene of recovering missile parts, or any other direct evidence of a missile. A missile would also not have produced the horizontal masonry damage along the west side of the impact point either.

Using your logic here, perhaps I believe it was a giant exploding smurf shot out of a catapult. No one saw this of course, but it should be the government who's required to show the burden of proof that it was not a smurf that struck the Pentagon.

Pffft. LOL.

Originally posted by Soloist
No one saw a missile hit the Pentagon, sorry.

That's not really true, is it?

Professor David H. Edwards
January 27, 2006

I have shared with people an experience I had on the morning of September 11, 2001. Recently, it was suggested to me that I write down this experience so that it could be shared more broadly. Here is my response to this suggestion.

On that fateful morning, I, in my capacity as the Bolivia/Peru Country Specialist for Amnesty International-USA, was in Washington, D.C., traveling to the Senate Office Building on Capitol Hill, in order to attend the confirmation hearings for the Bush Administration?s new Drug Czar, which were scheduled to begin at 10:00 AM.

Following my usual commuting pattern, I parked my car at the Anacostia Station of the Metro Line sometime after 9:00 AM, then took the Green Line into L?Enfante Station, where I transferred to the Orange Line on my way to the Capitol South Station.

Immediately after I boarded the Orange Line train, a young man and a young woman, both in their early twenties and wearing backpacks, burst into the subway car, shouting and exhibiting extreme excitement and agitation. They addressed the entire car, which was mostly empty except for me and perhaps three or four other men in suits. The young people yelled: ?We were standing at the Pentagon Station, waiting for the train to come, and we saw a missile fly into the Pentagon! We saw it, we saw it!? One of the men sitting closer to them must have asked for clarification, because they reiterated the same information several times, saying repeatedly: ?A missile, we saw it, a missile, it flew right into the Pentagon. I can?t believe it. Now it?s on fire, there?s smoke!? They continued in this vein from the L?Enfante Plaza Station until I got off at the Capitol South exit.

At the time, I did not know what to think and was, in any case, primarily concerned with hurrying to the Senate Office Building to secure a seat prior to the commencement of the hearings. Once I climbed the steep steps out of the station and ran to the building, however, the doors immediately sprang open and people began to surge out. I asked one of the building security personnel what was happening. He informed me that the buildings were being evacuated and then pointed behind me. I turned and saw smoke billowing from across the river. At that point, I turned and sprinted back down the hill and into the station and managed to get back on the Orange Line and then the Green Line to my car and out of the city, barely ahead of traffic.

Only later did I realize the significance of this event.

David H. Edwards
Professor of Anthropology
Salisbury University
Salisbury, Maryland

Letter from Professor David H. Edwards.

reply to post by WeRpeons

They work for us, and as a tax paying American citizen....

Uh, I'm part of that "us" also and I am also a taxpayer and I don't want my government wasting time and money and broadcasting baseless accusations about innocent persons all for the sake of chasing the imaginary ghosts of a few of my fellow citizens. But I guess my opinion doesn't count, huh?

Here's a suggestion. Conduct your own investigation first. Call a convention, ask all those with "alternative theories" to comeforth and state their cases. But do it first on your own dime. Compile the results and publish. Broadcast or webcast the event. Lets hear and see the whole thing.

Originally posted by Malcram

Originally posted by Soloist
No one saw a missile hit the Pentagon, sorry.

That's not really true, is it?

Yes, it really is true.

Dozens of witnesses see a plane(several who have even gone on camera with "truthers") vs. ONE guy who says he heard someone claiming to have seen a missile.

It's nothing but hearsay, and told years after the fact at that.