American Cities That Are Running Out Of People

American Cities That Are Running Out Of People

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The rest of the cities that have lost major parts of their population have seen their flagship industries, which include coal, steel, oil, and auto-related manufacturing, fall off or completely collapse. America moved away from its status as an industrial superpower in the second half of the 20th century as the services sector rose to replace it. Millions of U.S. manufacturing jobs have moved overseas. Cities such as Rochester, Cleveland and Buffalo declined in population because they were trade hubs, and new modes of transportation removed their geographical dominance.

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Ghost CITIES, coming to a location near you...

Tens of thousands of major metropolitan cities virtually decimated in their populations, due to a destroyed economy, and continual failed policies of keeping jobs and manufacturing located here domestically.

Hate to be the harbinger of doom, but as I see NOTHING changing in strategies here to encourage production within our infrastructure, this appears to be merely the tip of the iceberg of what's to come.

And those sitting at the top couldn't seem to care less...

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Interesting, and unsettling. Where are all those people moving to? I mean, they have to go somewhere, don't they? What are the current boom-cities? What is booming? Are those the so-called "Government Jobs"?

And what I'd further like to know... is the infrastructure in those cities, that are being "depopulated" still being maintained, or is it in decay, as maintenance companies move elsewhere too?

well I do know that looking at Detroit is a great example of what to expect whole neighborhoods empty, wild dogs roaming the streets whole High Rise areas abandoned and no the infrastructure is no being maintained it's like Mad Max over there .just google abandoned Detroit scary as hell and sad

Forgotten Detroit

Wld Dogs and Abandoned Zoos

it goes much deeper to losing cultural icons and places

Dislocation of major urban centers was the first warning that Rome was on the verge of collapse.

It is a major sign of a civilization in rapid and catastrophic decline

Of course there are going to be ghost cities. Especially those Urban populated areas. When you buy a house i am guessing you are also paying a price for the area your home is located in. If there are no jobs there is no point in being there so you move on to somewhere that has a ratio of higher employment. I don't really know how it is up state or up north but down here in Miami Florida there are still high amounts of new buildings and construction. I figure if all things go DOOM, at least Florida is going to have some sort of leeway in all of this. Rich love retiring and spending their golden years in Florida. I cannot imagine Miami being deserted unless famine struck.

It's a shame how American factories are 'expanding' over seas. They are not expanding, they are moving because its cheaper. I always pictured a manly thing to do was work at a factory and provide for your family but now the manly thing to do is work at Starbucks. Times change and they are not getting any better by a long shot.

And in the end no one will remain in America because it will run out of jobs. Americans will go to China and India and there people won't like American immigrants and they shall build walls. And you shall feel like Mexicans now!

In North America only Rednecks and Natives will remain.

How's that?
^__^

Originally posted by archasama
And in the end no one will remain in America because it will run out of jobs. Americans will go to China and India and there people won't like American immigrants and they shall build walls. And you shall feel like Mexicans now!

In North America only Rednecks and Natives will remain.

How's that?
^__^

It's too simple though... recruit professionals and build a brand new machine that creates a unique currency and build from the inside out. Seems rather obvious if folks want to at least stay on this giant chunk of land. But no one wants to lead and no one wants to sacrifice their reputation.

It's sad that they use the disaster in New Orleans as their primary point of evidence in that article (which the OP neglected to quote), but go ahead and dance in the street because Americans died if you want.

Many of us, economists and finance folk, are working on this on facebook, blogs and elsehwere. We have the beginnings of a fairly decent model, but it will not work if the American people cannot now have the same TARP money invested into them that they invested into the banking industry. We do not have the time to bootstrap.

The model is based on new inventions or new services at varying levels of business investment. That is, new small business that will also produce jobs, new medium size businesses that will produce jobs, existing small businesses that requirement investment funds to produce new jobs or advance an offering, which will ultimately produce new jobs, etc. you get the picture. The model includes protection from external Board takeovers and includes mandatory banking with small local Banks.

We know this is flawed, but there is a way, it is a decent model and it took a lot of us to put it together. There is a built in non-involvement from the investment banking level or venture capital level (I have horror stories) by using the SBA and SCORE in concert with the local community banks. All banks will be chosen based on what we call the "It's a Wonderful Life" matrix , yes, you got it, we are bringing back the savings and loan. When not bastardized it works perfectly on the community level.

The reason why land fills are littered with our now gone 401ks is all small local banks are required to bank with a larger (master) bank. (Bailey Building and Loan deposits into Potter's Bank daily). That master bank invest these funds with the larger investment bankers or holds the funds with the Fed. We would petition that the funds be held with the small community bank for re-investing in the decaying community or state and not be required to deposit to the master bank. Hence, the bank would be doing their own investing in the form of local muni bonds, etc. to get the required return on the depositors account and to run the bank. This will be the toughest hurdle because of strike funding worldwide.

But, eff 'em. Americans are rebels, its a country of rebels founded by rebels that will rise like a red, white and blue phoenix from the fire of this recession, stronger and wiser for the experience. Never again will the American people put their futures in the hands of anyone but Americans.

In the South Western states, especially California, you might witness a scenario where land is sold back to Mexico. Might sound absurd, but some of these states have serious deficits to bring down and California needs to find another $26 billion to cut.

It is worth pointing out, that, California has a worse set of public finances than Greece.

But as I said before, the Rome analogy is significant. In its dying days, the Empire became a kleptocratic cabal and saw countless rebellions in provinces. Notably Britannia. The inhabitants found their governors to be immoral and Rome to be somewhat sanctioning and endorsing widespread corruption. The system was rotten and utterly repugnant.

The Western Empire effectively crumbled. Foundations of civilization and standards of living collapses when Rome turned away from her principles and endorsed greed. It was an empire of decadence. In the end, the people turned their backs on Rome and the population declined rapidly in size.

Its really fairly common that power shifts between cities in the US. Philli was the most powerful city in the country for a very long time. Now it is just another metropolitan area.

Heck, way back when, John Astor founded Astoria, Oregon, and it quickly became the "hollywood' of the time. It was the biggest fur trading post in the west, attracted all sorts of wealthy people and entertainment, and had money more flowing through it than any city in the west.

Fast forward to today, and astoria is nothing more than a beach town with some weird art.

As society advanced, locations become more or less valuable. Its simple logistics.

Is there a whisper of a hope for the fall of the United States on this thread? A parallel drawn to Rome? Well, there are some things we are not proud of, but the American people are on their way to fixing these matters.

Well, the United States is not going anywhere nor is California.

Sadly, California did not come to this deficit from dancing in the streets and debauched behavior. At least we would have enjoyed getting effed four ways to Sunday.

We are victims of the Enron scandal. We had a large tranche of capital, real, cash in the bank type capital. A false set of black outs and brown outs were scheduled with illegal payouts to utility plant managers. There was sabotage done in our utility plants as well such that it forced California to buy services from Enron. Meanwhile Lobbyists for Enron, et al concocted a bill for de-reg of the utility plants statewide so that Enron, et al could then sell power to California. Naturally, this all required payments to Enron to consult as well, as they rushed to our State's rescue and having caused it all in the first place, they looked the heros when they remedied the situation. Paid to play, paid to save.

Selling California land to Mexico, indeed. Do you think the drug cartels want it? And of every state in our union no one has been a greater champion to the Mexican or South American immigrant. We marched with Chavez, we boycotted every farm who abused the immigrant worker. Mexico would stand with California shoulder to shoulder.

California, in some ways, is a country unto itself and at the last midterm elections, US media reported the following, "California was not for sale." Meaning, that with all the efforts of big business to buy the California voter, they all failed.

We are back on track.

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I think it has something to do with moving from a 'production' based economy, to 'service' based and then, to a 'consumer' based economy. [The US' big negotiating chip in trade deals was "access to the US market."]

Now? I just don't know.

Yes,
we dont make anything anymore,
that's the economic model that we are in, that we were put into.
All that debt has to get paid somehow,
damn thing is, pretty soon, actually now, the unemployment will be so high that the purchasing will flatten and fall off,
because no one is making any money HERE.
(last i checked no one gets paid to buy things or go shopping)
remember the command from the world trade rubble? "now go out and shop" !
The next thing to go into 'failure' status will be counties and entire states,
starting in 2011.

Its scary stuff the American dream seems dead and no one wants to admit it in the Mainstream media, this year will be a tough one financially for a lot of states and citizens. No wonder the war drums are beating seems the only thing that resets this corrupt financial illusion is a World War

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I grew up in a ghost town of the 40's... Meaning that today it's still stuck with 40's architecture etc...

That was because the railroad was replaced by interstates.

There are many northern towns like this. Also, that's where are the factories were built in the late 19th and early 20th centuries.... Another vestigial item...

The problem in my opinion is that the service sector took over. You have to actually produce something, you can't sustain an economy by service only. The jobs going to other countries is going to be our down fall. We depend on China to produce our goods and now the Chinese people decide they want cars and everything that we have. What's going to happen when all of them and the Indians get cars? Where will all the fuel come from? We should have continued to produce our own products.

Originally posted by Swordbeast
Interesting, and unsettling. Where are all those people moving to? I mean, they have to go somewhere, don't they? What are the current boom-cities? What is booming? Are those the so-called "Government Jobs"?

And what I'd further like to know... is the infrastructure in those cities, that are being "depopulated" still being maintained, or is it in decay, as maintenance companies move elsewhere too?

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Companies based in Texas'

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Just to name a few.

reply to post by infinite


California will sell the land to another state or the Federal Government. They will not sell it to Mexico.

Expect a federal bailout for California (this year or 2012) with a loss of some state land and sovereignty.