Originally posted by tiger5
reply to post by LilDudeissocool
I really have enjoyed your posts. I am still digesting or mulling them over as frankly my political views are in transition. however thereis one
"Because the elites in this country would be so desperate to get capital moving again they would most certainly begin to make products again 100%
U.S. made so they could have once again market able products to entice people to begin once more parting with their cash. "
As we have seen already the Elites are not patriotic they would either invest abroad, move abroad or do a mixture of both. The lobbyists would also
be paid to lobby for foreign investments at knock down prices.
How say you?
edit on 9-1-2011 by tiger5 because: typo
The power of purchase is still with the consumer. What I am illuminating in that particular text is that if people are disciplined enough not to
purchase any wants unless it is a 100% made in America item, I believe that special arrangements would be made to make those products available by the
very folks who are partnered with China, and in doing so have exported our jobs. It goes to the subject of inelastic demand >
So to make a product marketable to such a consumer base who demand American made,
and mean it, they would have to identify and recognize the cause of such demands, the root motivation, which would be where the product was made or
how much the of the product was converted from it's raw material/s sources to a finished product designating what country's work force benefits in
the exchange of labor for money. That would be U.S. manufacturing workers.
Some hidden factors to consider:
However the concern would be that this creates liquidity in the marketplace where elites in positions of manufacturing ownership power begin a slow
march back to the way things were as you described incrementally just as they had done before. Only next time they might pour enough money into K.
Street and information outlets to convince enough ignorant folks that such a system is xyz detrimental to America. We seen it before. We see it now.
The messaging is, "Unions are bad." "Wal*Mart is good" "Health care is a want and not a need." etc etc. They could change the rules of consumer
purchase using the same system of messaging. Using the old adage, "Once burned twice learned." After the elites had been forced to do things they
did not want to do. Such as reversing the benefits they gained from so called "Free Trade" agreements they may have DC enact new safe guards. For
instance, they could have the Federal Government issue a cash card only money system through the use of Federal legislation doing away with the U.S.
Mint. Such a measure would endure that all money that citizens held would always remain in flow that was not being used at any give time. Just as they
do after morning accounts are collected from businesses from the previous day's transactions. Physical money not in use after being recorded at the
bank it all goes into an electronic overnight lending system. The idea of selling such a system would be, and I can just hear it plastered all over
the news media. "And liquidity into the system, stimulate the economy, cash cards are the key to add billions that are locked away in phsycal cash in
people's wallets." Fox and Friends" I am sure would be the first to push it on the air.
The reasoning would be this:
For example you get paid bimonthly through a direct deposit system. You cover expenses, by some stock, whatever, throughout the weeks. Maybe rolling a
little over into the following week until you reach 5k, and then make a CD purchase with the accumulated savings that had been adding up in your
direct deposit checking account. All the while the bank is using that capital. They can't do that with physical cash that you hold. However they lend
away overnight ever dime held in direct deposit and debit cards, the new checking account system. All that money is kept in flow when you are not
using the money in one giant account pool which is used for overnight lend throughout the entire world. Zip lines of credit" investment banking slang
I guess for using OPM for quick borrowing capital to buy and sell investments paper investments on foreign exchanges that are in amounts of hundreds
of million of dollars on a revolving account bases. Billions if it's a big bank like lets say Bank of America or Wells Fargo. Every dime that is not
locked in a CD is floated around the world in an overnight lending system which many are not aware of. Btw, that's how they are able to offer free
checking if you maintain a minimum deposit. If you have lots of cash maintained in a checking account they even pay a decent interest rate usually
over five k though. That's when the bank teller slips you the CD brochure where you are informed you can get a better interest rate than keeping your
money in a checking or ordinary savings account. And as I am sure you are aware of that savings/checking is another way of saying you have enough
money to buy a CD, and the bank prefers that you do. Because that's where they make the real money at. A 5k CD means they can take out of the FED
"Discount Window," depending on current FED policy, double that amount up to x whatever more the amount of the CD. It's been as high as 1/250. Mark
to mark is the most sound policy though. The "real deposits" are. They always loans that are deposited in FED member banks to the FED.
What are "real deposits?" Most of what clears on the open market in the form of raw materials which are closed contracts, meaning it has been
delivered to the purchaser and the purchaser has made full payment on the purchase. That occurs on the day that the contracts closes. Then funds
received by the producer of the raw materials are immediately deposited electronically into the FED system ready and waiting at the "Discount
Window" for banks throughout the country to purchase. Those deposits are huge bank bond purchases as I am sure you can well imagine. Now there is
something else needed for this to all work. They need your CDs, a guarantee that you will keep your money in the bank for x amount of time to be used
as a down payment for what they will be borrowing from the FED Discount Window. Long gone are the days when gold bullion was moved from volt to volt
to guarantee accounts while manual accounting was performed. That's why accounting is a dying profession. Today in it's mostly just bookkeepers
"data entry personnel" and computer terminals. This is because all the capital flows are pre arranged ahead of time based on percentages of money
received from the raw material producers. How much of the contract revenue would automatically be received in the form of major bank bond purchases.
That is when x amount of raw material contracts are negotiated for x amount the Federal Reserve System made up of 12 banks is notified to offer x
amount in major bonds which are guaranteed to be purchased ahead of time. it's that organized. Now those raw materials will be converted into
finished goods and there will be services attached all labor. And labor purchase what is made. A cycle plus labor retains certain amounts of the
capital such as build a house for oneself, but the bank still wants that back so they sell home equity loans to get it back in to the system. All that
is wealth, anything and everything that is desired by others, they want back into the system ASAP. The hand shake loans of old were fraternal loans.
If a fraternal brother was a loan officer he new the bank held x amount of equity in notes that were more than half paid off. Then he would loan that
equity to a fraternal brother. If the brother did not make good on the loan their were no assets to foreclose on. So it had to be a "square deal"
under the radar of the bank examiners to a brother you could "trust." which simply mean other frat brothers would make the loan good if the
recipient could not payback the loan. The FED put a stop to it years ago by making sure that such equity was used in providing consumer loans moneys.
They wanted that extra revenue. they considered it leakage. So none equality loans wen by the wayside until the USG thought they would go into the
loan guarantee biz, but there was no equity on paper at the banks. A hyper inflated hose note doesn't cut when the major depositors cry foul and
"Hoard Capital." Then liquidity dries up, and the inflated values are then relieved as house flipping no longer can operate. Which a hyper inflated
housing market depends on in order to keep real values hidden. The nitty gritty mention there of what caused the housing bubble to go POP. The
important thing to note though is that all capital originates from raw material producers. And that the CDs you and I buy at our local bank are used
in a fractional way as down payments for them to borrow at the FED's Discount Window. They use the new money they get from that window to loan out to
their customers to purchasers of new items that have conversion values added to them which is the difference between the money loaned to the FED minus
your CD, and the fraction in between should equal around what the conversion costs are in that new item. Because all those other values are already
accounted for wealth in the economy. And so is the new money, which is "snowball" money that has been reinvested in the FED building over the years
ever since the creation of the FED system. Where does the value come from, well can can just print value so it has to come from some place. Think of
it this way it's shifted from depreciation to new values. As your car wears out you desire a new one. That's shifting value from the car you are
driving to a new one which you don't own yet. You are the vehicle of the value shift. New money is placed in the economy ahead of time as the product
is being made by the FED which is all recycled capital, The "snowball." The rest all starts at the close of a raw materials contract that such new
values are then used used for purchasing major bank bonds. NEW MONEY The "snowball" is "RECYCLED MONEY." Which are actually NEW and RECYCLED
VALUES. Timing and the accurate recordings of the amounts are everything in maintaining value in currency. Because value cannot be printed no more
than cutting a pie into smaller and smaller pieces can make a larger pie. This is btw one of obvious proofs that the Ron Paul crowd is wrong. If their
claims where correct we would have runaway inflation. The FED cannot and will not create money out of thin air because if they did the USD would have
little value relative to its worth today. Where does the other part of NEW MONEY?VALUE come from? Major manufacturing investors, who also buy major
bank bonds, many are major stockholders, and yes some of the biggest are major raw material producers like the Koch-s, but most are of the league in
which their money, their wealth is much less consecrated. Do to the fact there are so many of those folks relative to the very few raw material/energy
producers like the Koch-s. And manufacturing is far less profitable than extracting raw materials/energy out of the ground. Manufacturing add most of
a value in most items produced, but most gross profits are lost by the owners to overhead which mainly ends up in the middle class, us. Well did, now
China, and now the big boys in the manufacturing biz partnered with China are gaining ground in minimizing their losses by, like you already know,
exporting jobs. But yet we keep spending like we had never lost any ground to them, and so the money keeps circulating around and around where they
are able to catch more and more of it. That's one of the major accelerators of the ever increasing wealth gap in this country. We lose more and more
wealth each year and we spend more each year because the credit is available to us to do so. New products make us high. it's a drug, and they know
it. A addict will always be broke, but will always find away to get his or her drug, and they depend on that psychological fact in keeping us digging
our own hole, a inescapable finical trap eventually where they will simply place a bamboo grating over top with a big rock over that. A permanent
financial cage. Of course they will want the shovel back because that worth something. ;-)
With raw materials/energy they are not sensitive to supply changes during time the contracts are being guaranteed on the change. therefore they are
sensitive to deviate much through supply and demand pressures in the during the time the insurance for the price of the contract is being bid one.
(that's all an a commodities exchange is that's it's supposed sole purpose) That's why I personally think it's ridiculous to have delivery
contracts for raw materials/energy bid on. What are that guaranteeing exactly? What are the risks involved specifically that would cause drastic
changes in supply and demand while the contract is alive? Raw materials/energy are not commonly known to be risky to supply and demand changes in the
short term like agricultural product for instance. Unless the Mid-East goes nuclear one day during bidding there is not going to be any supply changes
that are different than the amounts specified in the contract on the delivery date. Or on the demand side either unless for instance all of a sudden
everyone has a compulsion to drive their cars every waking hour. It's simply a mechanism to have a reason to squeeze customers, wholesalers, and then
us. It's simply a price raising excuse mechanism so the producers cans say, to the wholesaler purchasing the contract, "Look at how much more the
last contract closed at we want x more for the next contract."
Everyone involved knows it's a scam, but none of it is going to change at the top because those folks supplying the real deposits in the FED that
everyone uses to deal them cash for their credit addiction, from the USG to the credit card loaded shopaholic at the mall. That's why we use our
intel and military assets to protect them. We keep the oil sheiks in power under a royal system of order, and part of that deal is keeping the belief
in Islam alive because that's central for the reasons the sheiks are in power. the most direct descendants of Mohammad have a divine right to rule.
New power might do what Saddam did during his reign. So we put up with shack down of, "Look it closed at this much more last time therefore we want x
more for the next contract." What's the wholesaler suppose to say, "You have the price driven up artificially through OPEC policy which is a cartel
to regulate supply and thus price, and you guys are using off shore accounts "hedge funds" that are used to speculate on the N.Y. Merc?" They
can't scream about it. Who are they going to complain to? The USG those dude's buy T's. The public? A good number of them think that if oil
supplies were anymore that the planet will flood. And so the cycle is repeated with no way to break the strangle hold OPEC has over controlling the
money supply because they own it all. Some none OPEC folks own a part of the money supply David Koch and his brother own more than any other American,
but it pales in comparison to Oil Sheiks such as King Abdullah who is so wealth and none transparent that his wealth is immeasurable so Forbes does
not even bother listing them on on the worlds most wealthiest. Where does most of the capital used to keep off shore accounts "hedge funds" flush to
be used to bid up price on the Merc come from? Probably not Bill Gates or people down on his level. (He is a manufacture and service provider btw with
low labor costs and why he has so much money, and he I am sure is able to by major bank bonds, but he is in a realm down below raw martial producers
because they control the headwaters of "macro economy." That's why I say down below, or I should say down stream, because his kind are simply
"paper billionaires." They are nothing without those who are up stream, they could not exist without them, and it's not a two way street. Everyone
down stream is well documented on paper, and their wealth is calculated on paper, wealth in stocks, which is all junk. However bonds are golden, and
very real. compare Bill gates now with the level of folks such as the mostly nontransparent Koch-s who have immeasurable wreath, well because most of
what they have is non transparent, but what they have in transparency still puts them on the Forbes list I thing around # 14. But he is a true multi
billionaire. A true FED depositors is who derives money from a source that is of original "hard value." Because his center piece business is oil
production, and this is very important to note regarding the term "production." I'm talking specifically to the production that means "out of the
ground" refining purchased oil is conversion, and there is a real difference just as i illuminated the difference between Gates and the Koch-s. The
same application of defining the term between the two definitions of "production" are the same.
So now I will touch on the biggest version of the Koch-s, King Abduallah. Who is estimated to have trillions floating around the FED system in the
form of U.S. Dollars (USDs) through Saudi Aramco which owns bonds invested in Federal Reserve member banks, and for every USD he owns is considered an
IOU made out to him. (Btw every bond hold has this position of ownership. He just happens to own more than anyone else.) And that's what a Federal
Reserve Note is, dollars that people think are theirs when they hold them in possession, and they are not. They are borrowed capital from people such
as David Koch and King Abduallah, and you if you own at least one CD. The Ron Paul crowed claim the Notes are IOUs made out to the users by the FED.
That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Because IOUs are made out to the lender not the user of the capital. Glen Beck a few weeks ago just to
mention had a pseudo economist trying to explain how that made sense. I laughed hysterically, but I do not laugh at the mass media disinformation
campaign that attempts to sell it to the public the lie about what money is :where the value of it originates, and who owns it. Guess what? Glen is a
David Koch mouth piece. David Koch, and his brother have a serious vested interest in keeping the right information a close guarded secret.
Now for the root of this whole matter. If you have the cash locked in a safe they can't use it. They can't keep it in "snowball." That's real
power. It's power in keep capital the feel they own circulating. They need it to come back to them time and again to maintain their positions of
ultimate power over all others through controlling the headwaters of economy. If you purchase less and less of what they pull out of the ground, it's
that much less power they have over you and I. If you are not using the capital, and it's tucked away in a safe somewhere then no one else can use it
either which means it can't comeback to them subtracting power they hold which is used to enslave us economically through debt, and our minds as they
control media messaging, propaganda, which they use to lord over politicians, plus K. street which is used quite forcefully to remind politicians who
holds the purse strings.
I say ask, why let them have the power? Lets take it away from them. Away from the people who are partnered with China bleeding the middle class dry.
Lets bring manufacturing jobs home, and keep them this time by making sure we understand the power of "Hoarding Capital."
It's a game of keep away, monkey in the middle.They are playing it on us right now, so lets make them the monkey's for a change. I'm for one am
sick and tired of having to eat bananas and slipping all over the place on the peals.
I guess those are green bananas we are all being forced