Detroit in ruins

Originally posted by NeverApologize

Look at States that are Right To Work, States! Prime example.

What point (NeverApologize) is it that you would like to make about Right to Work states?

lets take a look at how it became this way. this is the result of the liberal agenda of taxing the productive and distributing the wealth. Looks just like a common city in the old USSR. This is where we are heading folks.

Keep voting those commys in so we can be enslaved by the state

Originally posted by old_god

One picture sums up everything is wrong with the world is the picture of the decrepit library, a sign of things to come (abandoned knowledge):

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/7b338be6bf8b.jpg[/atsimg]

reply to post by Realtruth


Yes but surely this argument relies on a fair and just society and economy, or at the very least an un-manipulated capitalist/market economy. Without corruption and vested interests this situation would not arise in the first place.

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Yeah it would be way better if Unions didn't do anything - everyone would live happily like people in China getting 1$ per day and committing suicides because of high stress.

That's what you are saying? Are you a fan of Totalitarian capitalism?

I hope Unions in China will grow and develop and people there get their rights.

I stand for free people having a job not for Corporations having slaves!

reply to post by In nothing we trust


It's sickening. makes me think of some movie scenes.

Charlton Heston on horseback on the beach in Planet of the Apes

and

Peter Ustinovs first scene in Logan's Run.

At least back in the days of the library at Alexandria there were people deliberately destroying knowledge for their own purposes, just as no doubt there were others smuggling out knowledge. Here we have knowledge abandoned because NO ONE CARES about it. That's far worse IMO.

Reminds me of Fallout...

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I still get gobsmacked when I see posts like these. It never ceases to amaze me how some members are able to cherry pick which parts of the agenda to latch on to or indeed ignore as if they never existed.

You're still stuck in the left/right paradigm. Come on even Alex Jones knows that that is just sleight of hand. You are seriously doing yourself and your family a disservice by not educating yourself about the truth of how the world is really run.

Kind regards

Originally posted by NeverApologize

In short though; Unions served a great purpose to protect the working class, turn of the 20th! Now though, they are not needed due to workers rights and regulations set up by our Government!

What like OSHA. Social Security, Workers Comp, etc?

You have no idea what your talking about.

Well it is interesting how people are blaming the unions for demise here...the Unions are not saints but they did try to keep some money in the pockets of people...the common joe...the regular blue collar worker....but the Demise is the Corporate greed...simples as....the corporates wanted cheaper manufacturers and moved everything offshore where they could get people to work for ....peanuts....now those same peanuts would not keep the average American family in food let alone a roof over their head and a car parked in the drive.
Now speaking of cars....look where all your big manufacturers are making those same cars that you drive on your American roads....Certainly not in America my friends.....the workforce has moved yes...but not to other parts of America....even if they lowered your wages down to say 1 dollar and hour that would not be low enough....cause it cuts into the profit margins...and soon as companies were able to bust most of the unions...guess what...THEY LEFT.

Originally posted by GovtFlu
The on-going decay and brick by brick destruction of America.. one republican & democrat at a time.

"Land of the free, whoever told you that was your enemy"- Rage Against The Machine

Hi, I can out-lyric you on that, listen to 'Panic in Detroit' by Saint David of Bowie from the early '70s, sadly the motor city was built on one thing in the 20th century and when that went, there was nothing to take its place.

Originally posted by windwaker

Originally posted by LarryLove

Where else in the states?

New Orleans, for sure.

Detroit and New Orleans.

I'm sure the rest of the country is doing quite well.

Originally posted by Teeky

Americans in general need the entrepreneur spirit.

Even though some states and cities in the USA are still pretty to look at, the country as whole is failing.

They've made everything illegal.

Get it right folks.

Greedy Capitalists, Greedy Unions and Greedy Governments have worked together to destroy the very fabric of our society.

Now we all get to pay the pensions, retirement benifits and corporate stock options, of this group of miscreants who did this.

A liberal paradise.

Pure unadulterated failure.

Originally posted by camaro68ss
lets take a look at how it became this way. this is the result of the liberal agenda of taxing the productive and distributing the wealth. Looks just like a common city in the old USSR. This is where we are heading folks.

Keep voting those commys in so we can be enslaved by the state

Errrmmmm, no, it was the city's major employer moving out, surely? Same in the UK where towns that existed as a place for workers for local industry (coal mines) have now collapsed and are in a similar position. Socialism would maybe have helped and may in the future if people start to build up their community, but sadly I'm not so sure that will happen in Detroit - needs investment, investment needs people to spend to recoup investment and it looks like there is no-one buying enough to make the investment worthwhile.

Originally posted by plube
Well it is interesting how people are blaming the unions for demise here...the Unions are not saints but they did try to keep some money in the pockets of people...the common joe...the regular blue collar worker....but the Demise is the Corporate greed...simples as....the corporates wanted cheaper manufacturers and moved everything offshore where they could get people to work for ....peanuts....now those same peanuts would not keep the average American family in food let alone a roof over their head and a car parked in the drive.
Now speaking of cars....look where all your big manufacturers are making those same cars that you drive on your American roads....Certainly not in America my friends.....the workforce has moved yes...but not to other parts of America....even if they lowered your wages down to say 1 dollar and hour that would not be low enough....cause it cuts into the profit margins...and soon as companies were able to bust most of the unions...guess what...THEY LEFT.

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All this while your American President mortgages any future or assets the country once had....and Americans sit by complacently and watch it happen.

Get government out of business.

Get unions out of business.

Revolutionize business for the 21st century.

Then you will see growth like you have never seen before! You want to bash corporations and business owners, but the truth is that it is THEY who provide jobs which, in turn, stimulates the rest of the economy. You penalize business owners and the "wealthy" out of some misguided sense of "leveling the playing field" and you get situations like the Eastern Bloc, USSR.....Detroit.

reply to post by LarryLove

Where else in the states?

Lawrence MA was in pretty bad shape when I left MA in the mid 1990's It is pretty close to Boston so it is not in as bad a shape as Detroit but burning down houses so you did not have to pay a high tax was pretty common

First off Detroit isn't absolutely horrible.

Secondly the reason the city is in such shambles is a confluence of factors. First and foremost, the major industries are not really there anymore. Secondly, after the riots of 1968 and such most of the white people left. Detroit, a city of over 2 million in the 1950s lost a lot of people. All of those white people that left took their tax dollars with them and began paying taxes in the outlying counties and suburbs.

The blacks and small number of whites who were left in the city could not support the city. 800,000 poor-lower-middle class people cannot support a city that was, at it's height, built for 2.5 million people. The city in terms of area is too large, the people are too poor to afford basic government services and very few people, if any, are moving there to help redevelop the city.

These two things, coupled with ineffective government, create the conditions for dilapidation and urban decay. If there is any one reason why things went the way they did, I would say it was because of racism, but that still is not the complete problem. And I don't just mean White people hating black people, but the other way around as well. A lot of hostility among blacks and whites in Detroit. Plus the institutional racism but, at the time I would say that wasn't so strong in Detroit.

On the bright side, here's a newer video that makes Detroit look really cool. (Not a rap or music video)


www.vbs.tv...

reply to post by CIAGypsy


in some ways your right...revolutionize business....give the business to the people...encourage profit sharing...give people some ownership in the very business they work in....the JOHN LEWIS example is a good one...cause when people have ownership in it they are willing to make more sacrifice when hard times hit and are always more keen to make sure the business grows as then they reap some benefit from it...
People will take pride in their achievment....strange that is....butthen that wont work because where would all the greedy people get their fix from...i mean no fun if everyone gets a piece of the pie now is it.

Originally posted by LarryLove
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Where else in the states? Could you point me towards any online photography?

Urban decay as a photographic genre can be a visual drug.

You see this one?
www.jamesgriffioen.net...

What you have shown with those pictures op, is just the cycle of civilization and cities, which are but the reflections of the masses living in them rich, poor, middle, whatever, they are all not that different from each other as they like to think. When everybody goes loco and does this system without knowledge of what it is, and forgets what its all designed to do, and that is not to sustain any lifestyle for to long, but to progress on this path/system called planet earth to certain points and then to leave that world/system behind and move on, and so on, and so on. So there you have it, all cities on the four corners of the world will one day be like Detroit and the populous will be drive'd to move on to other pastures ie other cities were work is, only this heard can't life off the land like the animal ones, not smart enouph for that. And those dependent on those systems will not have a good time when its time for those systems to progress and move on. Government and labor unions, all that is just words for inadequacies of the systems of progression and change, there not there for stabilization but to keep the flow going.

What did you all think this is new, its been going on for a long time, look at all the third worlds, and other places, its all the same patterns. Besides Detroit is not dead, it's just not important anymore, if they were smart those who live there would use there time well and learn to not be such tools. And I'm pretty sure the elites would be trying to buy up and own the land for when that place becomes more important. So same old shint different day. Nothing to see there, move along all.