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Pakistanis rally over blasphemy law

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posted on Jan, 2 2011 @ 01:40 PM
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You are indeed a racist, an ignorant one at that.

The vast majority of Islamic countries don’t stone people to death just a few backwards ones unfortunately caught in the grip of clerical dominance that BTW the Prophet Muhammad forbade in Islam.
In legitimate Islam any clergy is forbidden.

But of course you dont know anything about that becasue you dont know what you are talking about.
What feuls your words is bigotry and ignorance




posted on Jan, 2 2011 @ 01:40 PM
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Originally posted by sonofliberty1776

Pakistanis rally over blasphemy law


english.aljazeera.net

Strikes and rallies have been staged across Pakistan against proposed changes to the country's blasphemy laws.

Protests were staged in Islamabad, Lahore, Peshawar, Quetta and Karachi against a move to amend a law which permits death sentences for those found to have committed blasphemy.

The law received attention in November when Asia Bibi, a Pakistani Christian woman, was sentenced to death after being found guilty of defaming the Prophet Muhammad.

Pope Benedict XVI has called for the release of Bibi, a mother-of-five, who is now in jail pending an appeal.

Human rights campaigner
(visit the link for the full news article)



I think we're missing a larger point on this; the fact that Pakistan is considering amending this outrageous law at all is indicative of a change for the better.



posted on Jan, 2 2011 @ 01:52 PM
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Originally posted by inforeal
reply to post by Gakus
 


You are indeed a racist, an ignorant one at that.

The vast majority of Islamic countries don’t stone people to death just a few backwards ones unfortunately caught in the grip of clerical dominance that BTW the Prophet Muhammad forbade in Islam.
In legitimate Islam any clergy is forbidden.

But of course you dont know anything about that becasue you dont know what you are talking about.
What feuls your words is bigotry and ignorance


Again you show your true colors, I said the countries which STILL practice these customs, you took from my post what you wanted and tried to make a group of insane people claiming they have the will of God on their side to brutally murder innocent people as the victims.

I suggest you take a few steps back, count to ten, breath, reread my post, and realize the error of your ways.

An apology I believe is in order as well, its usually the most ignorant and racist who resort to using such names to begin with.

Also for the record, you can't be racist against a religion, the correct term is religious persecution.

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posted on Jan, 2 2011 @ 02:00 PM
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Originally posted by inforeal
reply to post by Gakus
 


You are indeed a racist, an ignorant one at that.

The vast majority of Islamic countries don’t stone people to death just a few backwards ones unfortunately caught in the grip of clerical dominance that BTW the Prophet Muhammad forbade in Islam.
In legitimate Islam any clergy is forbidden.

But of course you dont know anything about that becasue you dont know what you are talking about.
What feuls your words is bigotry and ignorance


Now replace the word Islamic with Christian, stone with burn, and prophet Muhammad with Jesus.

You are no different than Christian death cultists you bash so intensely.



posted on Jan, 2 2011 @ 02:07 PM
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You have to respect another nation's laws. just because they are different than our laws doesn't make them wrong. It's just as likely that our laws are the wrong ones. Americans cannot tell the world what laws to follow. But we will keep trying until our country is destroyed.



posted on Jan, 2 2011 @ 02:23 PM
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Originally posted by sonofliberty1776
Where is this peaceful majority we keep hearing rumors of? Once again, all I see are hordes of muslims calling for violence, inciting violence, and committing acts of violence.You can see the results for yourself. I say again. Islam is a death cult until you can prove BY ACTIONS, not verses, that it is anything else.

english.aljazeera.net
(visit the link for the full news article)


Im not going to try and speak for Muslims, or for any religious group for that matter. I am quite anti religion, even though I have devoted more time to studying these "sacred" texts

But to answer your question, citing your source:


Naseer Tanoli, a police official, said a group of 100 protesters in Karachi were to join a main rally elsewhere. Around 5,000 people rallied in the city.

More than 2,500 activists from different religious parties held three protest rallies in Multan city in central Punjab

In the eastern city of Lahore, about 1,500 people participated in four separate protest demonstrations.

Only around three per cent of Pakistan's population of 167 million are thought to be non-Muslim


9,000 demonstrators out of a 167 million...

Now given, some are probably too young to protest and some too old. So for argument's sake lets eliminate 30 million people, which leaves us with 137 million.

9,000 is what % of 137,000,000? 1% of 137 million is 1,370,000. So its less than 10% of 1%...well you get the idea. And how many of those 9,000 know or understand the issue? What is the literacy rate of a 3rd World country such as Pakistan...50%?

From everything I can tell, there are alarming cultural issues within the Muslim world, but I would argue that it is amongst the minority as this example clearly illustrates. Regardless, based on our government's past, they have no interest in addressing "cultural issues". Rather their agenda is to demonize the "enemy" as they have done with every other group that they have killed in mass, from the "gooks" in Vietnam to the "japs" in Japan to the current day "hajjis" in the Middle East.

Time and time again, I am surprised (less now than before) to find main stream corporate media mantras repeated over and over on ATS...
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posted on Jan, 2 2011 @ 02:37 PM
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Originally posted by Ghost374
You have to respect another nation's laws.


No you do not.


just because they are different than our laws doesn't make them wrong.


Sure. What makes it wrong is killing people over harmless words.



posted on Jan, 2 2011 @ 02:38 PM
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9,000 is what % of 137,000,000? 1% of 137 million is 1,370,000. So its less than 10% of 1%...well you get the idea. From everything I can tell, there are alarming cultural issues within the Muslim world, but I would argue that it is amongst the minority as this example clearly illustrates.


No, your example illustrates what number of religious extremists bothered to actually come to these protests. It does not illustrate total number of religious extremists among population, which is much different. Statistics shows that extremists make up about three quarters of Pakistani muslims:


When asked about the death penalty for those who leave the Muslim religion, at least three-quarters of Muslims in Jordan (86%), Egypt (84%) and Pakistan (76%) say they would favor making it the law



pewglobal.org...



posted on Jan, 2 2011 @ 02:57 PM
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Originally posted by Maslo

No, your example illustrates what number of religious extremists bothered to actually come to these protests. It does not illustrate total number of religious extremists among population, which is much different. Statistics shows that extremists make up about three quarters of Pakistani muslims:


When asked about the death penalty for those who leave the Muslim religion, at least three-quarters of Muslims in Jordan (86%), Egypt (84%) and Pakistan (76%) say they would favor making it the law


pewglobal.org...


So according to the poll, more than three quarters of the population favor the death penalty if someone wanted to leave the religion of Islam. 76% would account for 125 million people. According to your premise, all but 9,000 were lazy...
...
Yet in that same poll, 80% of these so called respondents (extremists) say that:


Eight-in-ten Muslims in Pakistan say suicide bombing and other acts of violence against civilian targets in order to defend Islam from its enemies are never justified

Obvious disconnects and inconsistencies between the actions of the people and within the poll itself.

Again, I have to wonder if I'm posting on the forums of CNN, the New York Times or Fox...

ATS:


The simple yet effective motto of our membership is "deny ignorance", which signifies an effort to apply the principals of critical thought and peer review to the provocative topics covered within.





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posted on Jan, 2 2011 @ 03:04 PM
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Originally posted by gladtobehere
According to your premise, all but 9,000 were lazy...


Even if there are only 9,000 people who believe that someone should be killed for blasphemy or apostasy, there is a serious problem. Focus on the problem, not the number of people contributing to it.



posted on Jan, 2 2011 @ 03:22 PM
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Originally posted by traditionaldrummer

Originally posted by gladtobehere
According to your premise, all but 9,000 were lazy...


Even if there are only 9,000 people who believe that someone should be killed for blasphemy or apostasy, there is a serious problem. Focus on the problem, not the number of people contributing to it.


The problem is the demonization of a billion people (not sure of the specific number) based on the views of less than one tenth of 1%...thats one of the very definitions of propaganda.

Are people on ATS seriously going to argue against the fact that every major tyrant and Al-Ciaeda operative has been a US puppet from Saddam to the Shah to Osama to al-Awlaki...? That 9/11 WASN'T an inside job?

That these pre-emptive lie based wars are for some other purpose than the securing of natural resources, to fund a Trillion dollar a year military industry and to fight the enemies of a foreign state?

In which case how is ATS any different than the forums found on corporate media sites? Rhetorical question, its not.
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posted on Jan, 2 2011 @ 03:30 PM
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Originally posted by gladtobehere
The problem is the demonization of a billion people (not sure of the specific number) based on the views of less than one tenth of 1%...thats one of the very definitions of propaganda.


On that point I agree wholeheartedly. Not all muslims are fundamentalist psychotics and it is sad to see perceptions heading this way. However, there are enough fundamentalists, religious police and theocratic nations operating to warrant serious attention and criticism.



posted on Jan, 2 2011 @ 04:10 PM
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When asked about the death penalty for those who leave the Muslim religion, at least three-quarters of Muslims in Jordan (86%), Egypt (84%) and Pakistan (76%) say they would favor making it the law

Eight-in-ten Muslims in Pakistan say suicide bombing and other acts of violence against civilian targets in order to defend Islam from its enemies are never justified


What exactly is inconsistent about that? Explain..
As much as death penalty for leaving Islam is bad, mass killing innocent civilians in suicide bombings in the name of Islam is order of magnitude worse, so I am not surprised this gets rejected by majority even in such fundamentalist society (especially when they can bend the definition of "civilian" as they please, considering for example pro-western government police conscripts as collaborants and therefore valid non-civilian targets in the war of Jihad).



Again, I have to wonder if I'm posting on the forums of CNN, the New York Times or Fox...


Are you implying the above poll is rigged?



posted on Jan, 2 2011 @ 04:13 PM
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Note the dates. Note the present. If a death cult becomes not a death cult, it no longer is a death cult. Take note. Islam haws not yet become not one. Christianity did not start as one, it became one, and came out of being one. Islam must do the same. Pointing to the past does not justify the future nor the present. Who are you today? Not your ancestors. not your descendants. Who are you? You as a person. Clearly, most Muslims "over there" have shown who they are. And Most Christians "over here" have shown who they really are. Put together, the contrast is clear.



posted on Jan, 2 2011 @ 05:14 PM
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haha...are you kidding, if religion ceased to exhist on this planet humans would find something else to fight and kill over...the clothes you wear, your accent, skin color...it does not matter we have not matured enough as a society for peace.

I am Muslim from Iran and I wish Islam was more up to date with other religions with regard to human rights and freedom. If you have never lived in the middle east or are not Persian or Arabic it is easy to arm chair quarterback and give you negative opinions against the west.

May god be with you (even athiests) and your journey lead you towards enlightenment always...



posted on Jan, 2 2011 @ 05:21 PM
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Originally posted by inforeal
Christianity is and has been the most violent religion in history by far.


It would appear that you are misinformed.

It has been estimated that Jihad has killed approximately 270 million people over the centuries.

120 million Africans
60 million Christians
80 million Hindus
10 million Buddhists

www.politicalislam.com...

You didn't know that did you?
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posted on Jan, 2 2011 @ 05:24 PM
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Originally posted by Tsuki-no-Hikari
The Crusades. The Spanish Inquisition. Witch trials and burnings.


Really? How about a few dates to go with these?

Because the story the OP posted is from 2011. I'm pretty sure that the Crusades, the Inquisition and the Salem witch trials happened more than just a few years ago.



posted on Jan, 2 2011 @ 05:27 PM
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Originally posted by inforeal
reply to post by Gakus
 


You are indeed a racist, an ignorant one at that.

The vast majority of Islamic countries don’t stone people to death just a few backwards ones unfortunately caught in the grip of clerical dominance that BTW the Prophet Muhammad forbade in Islam.
In legitimate Islam any clergy is forbidden.

But of course you dont know anything about that becasue you dont know what you are talking about.
What feuls your words is bigotry and ignorance




When pointing out an others ignorance it is good to use spell check.





I think Islam is a intolerant religion based in hate and fear. And given the chance would kill any non-believers.

You can spin it anyway you want and bring up the past atrocities of other religions but the simple facts remain the same. Story after story from country after country. You would think the apologists would run out of breath. But denial is a strong motivator.



I would love to see a moderate apologist go and try and live a normal life in one of these countries. Talk about irony.


Islam preaches hate. It is truly that simple.



posted on Jan, 2 2011 @ 05:27 PM
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How many times must threads like this go in never-ending morally relativistic circles before you guys recognize the futility? A story pops up about how completely backwards the religiously brainwashed are in poverty stricken Muslim societies and then there are three pages of people pointing out the wrongs commited by Christianity, Catholicism, et al., nine centuries ago as if to somehow legitimize what's happening in Pakistan now. Give it up...

IMO, organized religion is the greatest threat to mankind's continued survival in its current state, end of story. You can look to either the past or the present for proof, I don't care which - this ignorant treatment of Christians in Pakistan is yet another in the long, sad list of ignorant treatments Islam, Christianity, Catholicism and the like inflict on others. Not to put too fine a point on it, but "yawn."

The finer point ignored here is what the hell is a Christian woman even doing in a country where such attitudes prevail? I hate to sound callous but if you're going to take that kind of life-threatening risk, tread lightly or don't tread at all... the lesson learned here is if the people around you are going to be this rediculously ignorant, unintelligent and dare I say animalistically herd-oriented don't give 'em a damn thing. I appreciate where she's coming from, but at the same time if I thought for even a split second that a kind deed would come back to bite me like this, I'd stand there and simply watch those women die of dehydration and then anonymously call someone to come clean up the bodies. Screw 'em.

In my opinion it's her own fault for not reading the metaphorical signs. Civility shown to an uncivil society will get you killed.



posted on Jan, 2 2011 @ 05:27 PM
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Originally posted by Soloist

Originally posted by mayabong


Iraq, Afghanistan, Palestine.



Iraq and Afghanistan have nothing to do with religion.

Palestine, which part? The part where they train little children to be terrorists, and have jew hating children programs? That part? The part where the muslims blow up buses and cafes full of innocent people, that part?

The part where they constantly poke the big dog on the block by sending rockets flying towards civilian areas, do you mean that part?

What about the hundreds of killings committed in the name of Christianity in Africa?
Any religion that can be interpreted to condone murder should be abolished.
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