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Chemtrail question, why dose from the sky?

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posted on Jan, 1 2011 @ 06:43 AM
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Hello all.

Even at a much lower altitude, the spread of pesticides from 'crop duster' planes is now severely sanctioned and regulated. This is because air is not inherently stable, and pesticides can drift and move elsewhere. This can create an uneven spread of chemicals that might highly dose one area whilst all but avoid another area.

This leads to my question on Chemtrails. If they are being released from commercial airliner aircraft, why would they do this? Why not add these mystery nano-machine/mould/spores/heavy metals into the water supply? This way you would only need to silence a few environmental monitoring companies and a few lackies at the reservoir or abstraction unit.

And with Chemtrails being released at high altitude they would spread everywhere. You might lethally dose a city block or you might lightly dust an unpopulated area of countryside. I don't see why you would use such crude and heavy-handed tactics to carry out something for reasons nodoby on ATS can adequately explain.

As an asthma sufferer myself I am especially wary of air pollution. In the past I have created colour maps of air pollution levels within my city, especially pm10 pollutants (the type small enough to get into deep lung areas) and the biggest source is from traffic. It would make sense even to add these chemicals/nanobots/spores to car fuel even, as city dwellers would be afforded a much more steady dose of this stuff even than from airliners flying overhead.

I am, lets say, a chemtrail agnostic. I don't doubt that there is now enough additives in fuel to make lingering contrails, but I don't accept the ATS school of thought that we are being covertly dosed from above, as the methodology seems far to risky and inaccurate to warrant the effort.




posted on Jan, 1 2011 @ 06:58 AM
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They do release stuff into the water supply, Flouride for example.



posted on Jan, 1 2011 @ 07:02 AM
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who knows what is actually in that stuff, but I definitely think it has something to do with the sun as well. im in an area thats constantly sprayed and it is always consistent with the position of the sun in the sky, leaving the rest of the sky clear blue, making it that much easier to see the difference.

ive said this for some time now just been too busy, ill have pictures soon for anyone who cares, theres just too many in the sky to not show them. its also very easy to see the difference between normal contrails and these other 'chemtrails.' Likewise, ill try and get that on film.



posted on Jan, 1 2011 @ 07:12 AM
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You are quite right in your logic, using Chemtrails to disperse an inoculants is ineffective.

The aluminum and barium in the chemtrail is NOT for poisoning the population, this is just a side effect of the program.

The use of Chemtrails on the Earth is to protect the populace from the Sun, this protection is thought to be more important than the possible side-effects caused by the use of Chemtrails.

Think of it this way, a large solar flare strikes the earth it would devastate our technology, but if we could Defuses the flare with a conductor (Aluminum ) the effect of the flare could possibility be minimized. The Barium absorbs the radiation.

Weather changes is a side-effect, the chemtrail dust and acts as a vector for the formation of rain droplets, so Chemtrails are use in the “Own the Weather by 2025” program of the D.O.D.

Also the long lines of Aluminum sprayed in the atmosphere act as a conductor for other electro-magnetic purposes. Simple thought would be a sprayed wire in the sky.

Chemtrail Poisoning of the earth and its inhabitants is just a side-effect of the program.



posted on Jan, 1 2011 @ 07:16 AM
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That is an interesting concept, but it seems unlkely that there was a bare minimum of public consultation on this. Where was it trailed?



posted on Jan, 1 2011 @ 07:25 AM
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Originally posted by Manolete
This leads to my question on Chemtrails.

There's no such thing as "chemtrails". You can read more about that here:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Thanks.



posted on Jan, 1 2011 @ 07:29 AM
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Originally posted by _BoneZ_

Originally posted by Manolete
This leads to my question on Chemtrails.

There's no such thing as "chemtrails". You can read more about that here:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Thanks.


That is an interesting thread. I admit I skimmed it as it reminds me too much of spidering through journals for dissertation work for this merry season, but I will read it shortly in full.

I'm not really asking for a yes/no to the chemtrails argument as I know this is entirely the wrong audience for that, I would just like a Chemtrail believer to answer me their own personal beliefs as to why such a strange method of inputting chemicals into the environment would be championed.



posted on Jan, 1 2011 @ 07:39 AM
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That's fine. Also be aware that "chemtrail" isn't even an actual word recognized by the dictionary. It's just a made-up word to cause fear-mongering with zero evidence.






posted on Jan, 1 2011 @ 07:47 AM
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Not even a word! Thats interesting.

Actually I'm going to be taking 180+ soil samples from lowland peat in the next couple of weeks as part of my dissertation work. I'm looking to see if the hard aggregate that wind turbines are built on would somehow be leaching chemicals out into the soil. Peat is acid and concrete is alkali and has a high capacity for leaching, so that is what I'm looking for. My site is right under flightpaths for both the big airports in central Scotland, so I will be presumably finding chemtrail chemicals unless this is only a US phenomenon (not that I'm accusing Chemtrailers of having US-centric opinions or anything but this forum is meant to speak for the whole world right?).



posted on Jan, 1 2011 @ 08:00 AM
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This is what's called disinformation.

It's nothing but made up lies.



posted on Jan, 1 2011 @ 08:02 AM
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No it is not the whole world, NATO countries mostly. So for your location, YES.

Try to find studies on soil composition prior to 1998 and compare the aluminum and barium content to today’s values. This will be an eye opener.

I do not hold to the belief that the Chemtrail Program is about poisoning the populace.



posted on Jan, 1 2011 @ 08:03 AM
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If you are going to do any lab work, I would suggest getting some swabs from trees, bushes, your concrete driveway, several swabs from locations on your house outside, preferably from the roof and sides. If chemicals are being sprayed, there will be evidence everywhere outside all over everything.

And then, if you're getting the same chemicals from all swabs at your location, it would be prudent to get swabs from other locations around your region and have them checked in the lab as well.

If chemicals are being sprayed, someone needs to start swabbing outside locations where these chemicals are allegedly being sprayed so that there can be some sort of repeatable scientific proof that it is actually happening.

In otherwords, the "chemtrailers" need to put up, or shut up. It's really that simple.



posted on Jan, 1 2011 @ 08:06 AM
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Originally posted by brokedown
I do not hold to the belief that the Chemtrail Program is about poisoning the populace.

Did you not just see my post above showing that the word "chemtrail" isn't even a real word? Therefore, there cannot be any "chemtrail program". I don't suppose you would like to post proof of such a program? I won't be holding my breath.

Unless you can show some sort of scientific evidence, you're spreading misinformation, or disinformation, take your pick.



posted on Jan, 1 2011 @ 08:11 AM
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Every time i see a thread on chemtrails I ask a question that never gets answered. If some group decides to spray chemicals into the air, wouldn't they also be affecting people they love or are close to, and even themselves? The OP states the obvious to me, and I would add that the chemicals would get into the water supply, livestock and food supply. There would be no way to keep from being exposed to it.

Not efficient AND a boneheaded plan. Now it would make sense if the chemicals were to protect us but not if they were harmful.

There's a news video on YouTube where a reporter interviews a guy about them. He collected rainwater and had it tested. The reporter erroneously states the amount of barium found. If you see that video, they show the test results. Google the measurements and you'll see they did the math wrong. Final verdict is that chemtrails are unsubstantiated. Not saying nothing has ever been sprayed, just that it's not some sort of ongoing program to hurt us.



posted on Jan, 1 2011 @ 08:50 AM
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I hear crickets chirping.........



posted on Jan, 1 2011 @ 09:18 AM
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You do realize the position of the sun as visible to you is visible only to you, right?
Something around the sun from your view would likely not be around the sun as seen by someone only a few miles away.
Please think over the logic of what you said, and try again. As stated, it makes no sense.



posted on Jan, 1 2011 @ 09:19 AM
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Maybe they do want to cover large areas. Maybe they are protecting certain areas from contaminants that could be coming from space. Maybe they are getting ready for disclosure whether they want to or not. Maybe their hand is being forced and they need to innoculate as many people and countries as possible. For when a more advanced race meets with a lesser advanced race, the lesser advanced races seems to perish.
edit on 1-1-2011 by TamtammyMacx because: (no reason given)



posted on Jan, 1 2011 @ 12:26 PM
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Originally posted by Mike.Ockizard
reply to post by Manolete
 


Every time i see a thread on chemtrails I ask a question that never gets answered. If some group decides to spray chemicals into the air, wouldn't they also be affecting people they love or are close to, and even themselves? The OP states the obvious to me, and I would add that the chemicals would get into the water supply, livestock and food supply. There would be no way to keep from being exposed to it.

Not efficient AND a boneheaded plan. Now it would make sense if the chemicals were to protect us but not if they were harmful.

There's a news video on YouTube where a reporter interviews a guy about them. He collected rainwater and had it tested. The reporter erroneously states the amount of barium found. If you see that video, they show the test results. Google the measurements and you'll see they did the math wrong. Final verdict is that chemtrails are unsubstantiated. Not saying nothing has ever been sprayed, just that it's not some sort of ongoing program to hurt us.



no takers?



posted on Jan, 2 2011 @ 07:27 AM
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Actually a good environmental degree could be earned for somebody wishing to investigate air pollution from the aviation industry.

Somebody mentioned aluminium and barium. Unfortunately Aluminium would be a likely by-product of any concrete leaching into soil and its an expensive process to analyse for it just on the off hand it might be there.

The lack of Scientific evidence of Chemtrails is not because of some massive industry-wide conspiracy. People seem to perceive the Scientific community as a well-funded and single-minded industry whereas it is always underfunded and full of in-fighting. I think the less people understand of science the more they fear it, and this is especially true on this forum. Regarding chemtrails I've seen official science ruined on this forum by people who would rather trust the words of a few con artists and a barrage of psuedo-science whilst walking around in circles clucking about 'disinformation' or 'disclosure'.

I'm only saying this because nobody has yet to answer my question on the side of the chemtrailers. I liked the idea of solar-radiation management though this still smells of psuedo-science.



posted on Jan, 2 2011 @ 09:26 AM
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I believe the Sun is finally talking to us. Literally talking to us, into us, through us, to our very core. This is why it is so important to Sun-gaze! Across the chasms of Space and time your true God resides, The center of our Milky Way Galaxy is sending us a gift and our Sun is receiving it and delivering it to us.

From God to you, I Love You! It's that simple and we will forever rid ourselves of this lost emptiness that we have endured for so long. Cut-off we were, imprisoned, prevented from learning the truth about who we are and why we came to be. Listen to the Sun by simply allowing it to open our Soul's ability to absorb the messages from within.

Wicked men rule this Planet and they will soon fail at their attempts in preventing the masses from talking to the Almighty, the Awe!

I can link the Sun-gazing threads, but I think we all have run into them and there is a Search Engine. It isn't a Science, it isn't anything mystical either, it is simply our time to transcend our Masters and their wicked shackles.

Bless us all that we may hear God tell us we are Loved. Forgive those whose worldly desires have caused them to turn away or shield the Truth from the Meek.




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