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Are Right Wing Libertarian Trolls Getting Paid to Dumb Down Online Conversations?

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posted on Jan, 1 2011 @ 09:24 AM
reply to post by Ghost374

What you're noticing is how people on the right are generally dumber than people on the left.
Just look at comments on Fox News and compare them to comments on CNN or MSNBC.

I've also noticed that people on the right are much quicker to call people names, in fact it seems like there's just a small minority who don't call people names.
95% of Americans are as dumb as rocks.
It's just the right is far more vocal and says stupider things ..., and they love to make up insulting nicknames ... .

This, from a representative of the rational, objective left?

Pot, this is kettle; kettle, pot.

deny ignorance


edit on 1-1-2011 by jdub297 because: consolidated quotes

posted on Jan, 1 2011 @ 09:25 AM
The essence of the whole argument is "Either you support blind liberalism and left wing ideologies or you are a troll"

posted on Jan, 1 2011 @ 09:40 AM
The whole premise of this ridiculous thread simply supports the fact that liberals have an elitist attitude that is completely inconsistent with any form of reality.
If you don't embrace their warped sense of the world, then you must be stupid.

Here OP, let me answer your question... Yes, right wing libertarian trolls ARE getting paid to dumb down online conversations. So are left wing socialist trolls. So how much did you get paid for this thread???

posted on Jan, 1 2011 @ 09:43 AM

In his critiques of the mainstream American Right, Paul Gottfried often points out that the neoconservatives who now run the conservative movement are not rightists so much as they are rear-guard leftists. Hence his claim that the Cold War was not a conflict between Left and Right which the Right eventually won, but a conflict between two Lefts – one archaic and Sovietic, the other Trotskyist, politically correct, and culturally radical – which the Trotskyists eventually won, after which they seized total cultural hegemony. Based on the information I receive from across the pond, that analysis seems to me entirely accurate;

The internet and talk radio are the last arenas where the voice of ordinary common sense opinion an be heard - at least in the states - here in Europe even that is absent - that is still too much for the PC pods, they will do everything in thier power to curtail even this small outlet!

posted on Jan, 1 2011 @ 10:35 AM
reply to post by jdub297

What I get from your post is that you disagree thoroughly with Manbiot and are flaming me for posting it. Okay. I can accept your opposition, and you certainly must feel strongly about this issue or you wouldn't have made such a long and detailed and overall thoughtful post.

Personally, no one is more aware of the shortcomings of American left-wing politics than I am. There is certainly room for criticism. However, when you get to trashing the whole left wholesale it just whizzes by me. I've heard the diatribes before and my immediate response is "Ho hum. Here we go again."

I do appreciate you taking the time and effort to add your voice to this thread however. Some of the points you make stick with me, like the rejection of clumping libertarians in with the political right wing. You're right. That probably shouldn't be done.

Best wishes, Sestias

posted on Jan, 1 2011 @ 11:38 AM
Soficrow has also nailed it.
I have also heard that there is no such thing as left and right anymore.. both are owned by corporations, and slants in either direction are paid-for by said owners.

Stop shooting the messenger - it exists.

posted on Jan, 1 2011 @ 11:53 AM
Like many people said there is a difference between conventional right wing and libertarian. Libertarians are the only party that would allow people to think and act however they want as long as they don't invade someones personal liberty.

Historically before JFK democrats and progressives were racist bigots. None of them would vote for civil rights or even women to be able to vote. They were historically southern bible thumpers. JFK changed that voted for civil rights and was very now a days libertarian. He wanted the public to have the power not government. Nixon scooped up all the racist democrats and bingo the neocons were formed.

Prior to that Teddy Roosevelt (slightly racist but no where near Wilson or the demanof the time) Howard Taft (a world peace and civil rights advocate) Harding, Coolidge, even Hoover they all passed or tried to pass some kind of womens liberation or civil rights agenda). It came from the concept of personal liberty. That every person has the right to life and liberty. They mostly did great things for this country from national parks to blacks being able to have civil service jobs to women being able to vote.

What people on the left need to remember is the NWO concepts all came from the left Wilson, trueman, and fdr. It is also the left politicians and the modern religious right that divide people into groups. Gays, Latinos, blacks, etc. Where as the libertarian concept is every one is an individual and has the right to life and liberty, regardless of viewpoint, orientation, family, wealth, etc.

The left is being exploited for their compassionate viewpoint by the left politicians. As a libertarian I would urge you create local social programs, create a better local community, and do as much volunteer work as possible. Otherwise give your money to private or non profit companies to do it. The left politicians are exploiting perfectly compassionate views to real you in but the money gets wasted and spent on endless wars. The big ticket bills are exactly the same since every president from nixon save Carter and he was a disaster since the ptb were against him. They all spread war, they all promote global dominance, they are all the same. Libertarians a a fringe party with completely opposing views to the modern political system.

posted on Jan, 1 2011 @ 12:17 PM
reply to post by Sestias

I'll be totally honest, when I read the thread title my 1st thought was "Oh great, another bash the right thread". But, you just copied the title of the linked / quoted article (as we are supposed to do ) as your title.

But, when I read your post I was happy to see some thought provoking comments. I wish the author of the article had just called it, "Are Trolls Getting Paid to Dumb Down Online Conversations?" as I don't think any group is really innocent here. There are left wing trolls, right wing trolls, trolls representing all various religious or philosophical groups, etc - both paid and unpaid in my belief.

There really aren't groups / ideologies that are off-limits to having "bad things" said about them. here on ATS.

I've seen threads accusing hatred of Muslims, hatred of Christians, hatred of Jews, hatred of Atheists, hatred of cops, hatred of the left wing, hatred of the right wing, hatred of ...well most every group you can think of.

I'll even admit - there is some truth in that - all of those groups and more have had some pretty bad things said about them here on ATS from time to time. But, there have also been defenders of them as well. Does it balance out? I honestly don't know.

Sometimes you get good discussion (like this thread) and sometimes you can tell from the first few posts that a thread is going to be just another bash ( insert group to be bashed here) thread.

I'm afraid I don't know the cure for it either - but I do know that no group is really blameless.

posted on Jan, 1 2011 @ 12:34 PM
My last check from the evil right-wing conspiracy corporation bounced. Dang it!!!
So call me an independent with conservative leanings.
When I'm not killing baby seals or polar bears with my carbon footprint, I'm supressing rights and slapping tiny kittens with a spatula.

C'mon! Some are leftist. Rock on, if that's what you want to believe.
Some are right-leaning. That's me. I alway try to bring insight and thoughtfulness to a post. I hope to continue. For those that anticipate web-fights, srry. You ae welcome to disagree, as I am welcome to visit other threads. Actually, I've already been called a troll so much that I'm thinking of that for an avitar.

First Ammendment. Free speech!

Never be afraid to say what you believe.
Even if I don't agree with it, I'll always have your back.

posted on Jan, 1 2011 @ 12:38 PM
reply to post by Frogs

S &

I wish the author of the article had just called it, "Are Trolls Getting Paid to Dumb Down Online Conversations?"

I SO agree.

The info is really important, but the article's title just kills it. Too bad.

Still, I wish people would read it - and search for online writing jobs, and extrapolate...

posted on Jan, 1 2011 @ 12:49 PM
I just want to put this simply, if you are "to the left" and you would consider yourself a Democrat, then there's a huge red flag right there. Anyone who is a Democrat has fallen for a giant lie, the Democrat Party is the worst thing to ever happen to poor people and minorities, they literally grow from human misery, so they obviously have an incentive to make it worse and not fix it. There are a few good Dems, but they get suckered into voting with the party on major issues. The Democrats are domestic terrorists attacking us from within. Now the Republican Estabilishment are terrorists who wish to attack everyone else. These people aren't really for lower taxes and less government, it's just talking points: look at the neo-conservative party, there isn't a single conservative thing about them. These are the Warhawks and BigBusiness supporters, though the Dems are filled with plenty of those too (the establishment are all filthy rich and they all use their filthy rich networking).

So we have two parties who are heck-bent on destroying America, now let's look at a few other parties. Progressives are basically closet-socialists who take the Al Sharpton approach, they claim all these good things, but they're secretly all working against those good things, to create a bigger government and reliance upon that government, as all socialists must first do. Then you get moderates from either party, these are really just what I call NWOites, these are just the people who will go with whoever is in power. They're the ones who allow the controlling party to pass terrible legislation when they can't get their whole party on board.

Now for the only parties who actually care about America: that would be all those that fit under the categories of Constitutional Conservatism/Libertarianism. This is what the Republican Party is supposed to be, but they've been infested, just like everything else. But now, we have a Conservative Ascendancy afoot and now the Republican Party is threatened with losing control of it's own party. Conservatives have made it clear, either you come to our side, or we're starting a new party and the Rep Party will no longer exist. These are the sort of people we need, this is an informed and determined electorate. These people see what all of these other parties have done and they are sick and tired of it, so occasionally, when someone is spitting liberal nonsense, these people can't be "polite" when faced with wilfull ignorance/insanity,

So here's what my point comes down to: When you are voicing an opinion that goes against true Conservative principles, then you are a danger to the future of our country. As a danger to our future, you either need to do some research and have an awakening, or you're ideas are going to be ridiculed, and you're just going to have to live with that, you chose it. If someone were spouting Stalin/Hitler style propaganda, would it not be our duty to stand up against that? No socialist despot starts their regime by telling the people the truth, that is the Democrat party to a T, the media bias can now be seen as wavering stink lines. You're just like the media and Washington, telling us Patriots and true Americans that we need to "stop yelling" and we need to "moderate" for the good of the country, that heated debate is a bad thing. Just like the Rally to Restore Sanity, they wanted us to quiet down our distate for the state of our government, you know who really likes that: socialist dictators.

Supposedly us Conservatives and true Americans are creating "polarization", yeah, the Dems are polarizing the people into falling for a totalitarian regime, the Conservs are polarizing the people into standing up for themselves and retaking America. The only ones who are crying about this are those who are in the wrong, these people should be crying, maybe it'll make them wake up. Us true Americans aren't whining about trying to have "civil" discourses, we're actually taking action and trying to take back our planet from the banksters. But the "left" do nothing but complain about us not being brain dead zombies.

So if you think that it's a great idea to kill off 90% of the population for the environment, should we just pleasantly suggest you read some books, tip-toe around our conversation as to not offend you, the person who is trying to usher in the NWO? Or should we go full steam ahead and try to prevent you from creating this NWO? So you're obviously blinded by Obama's star power, pretend someone else were the president, pretend Karl Rove were president and he was a Democrat. You would follow him blindly because you're "left" and he tells you that he's "left", but really he is just NWO. That's the problem with the left, they fall for all of the lies that they're told, they can't think for themselves, or else they wouldn't be a Democrat. It's like the amount of Agnostics and Atheists who were formerly Christians, there are plenty of Republicans who were once Dems, but the amount of Repubs who became Dems is about the same amount of Agnostic/Atheists who became Christian. As I heard the other day: the working poor are Conservative, the unworking poor are Democrats.

The worst part of all is the fact that you're probably only "to the left" because you believe the lies the Dems have fed you. You're probably all: the Repubs are only for the rich and they hate the environment and poor people and they want to take your social security. Well guess what, the Dems are also only for the rich, they're trying to destroy America with the CandT bill while pretending that does something for the environment, they lock poor people into a cycle where they remain poor, and they've done their best (so has everyone) to make SS so unsustainable, that no one is going to receieve SS payments eventually, while we all still pay into it. Conservatives stand up for the people, they also stand for getting the government the heck out of the way of the people, with this, far more people would have money, with this money they could donate to charities and their churches, making debilitating government social programs unnecessary.

So that is why we Conservative/Libertarians are always "trolling" on you brain-deads, we are only trying to get that first synapses to fire, creating a ball of enlightenment, or we're just getting our frustrations out on you conformist zombies, it's like a video game. If you people "on the left" knew what the establishment "on the left" was really up to, we wouldn't have to "troll" you because you wouldn't be "on the left". Nevada has the highest unemployment rate and is going bankrupt, yet they voted for Harry Reid again because unions were forced to vote for him and because of brain-dead zombies. Yet, Reid supports CandT and he supports amnesty, two things that would completely destroy the surviving remnants of an economy. This also goes for California, you people "on the left" never learn from your mistakes, you're like a Quasi-Socialist European country, you screw everything up, then you try to fix it with more of the problem, then when it all fails, you protest for more government intrusion, while those who are fiscally responsible (a conservative ideology) must help you out. You people never learn, so I somewhat apologize for all of us true Americans out here: we only "troll" you for your own good, believe us, it hurts us far more than it hurts you.
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posted on Jan, 1 2011 @ 12:58 PM
Here's what "on the left troll" Keith Olberman has to say about the Tea Party:
“You are willing to let these people run this country? This is the America you want? This is the America you are willing to permit? These are the kinds of cranks, menaces, mercenaries, and authoritarians you will turn this country over to? If you sit there next Tuesday and let that happen, whose fault will that be? Not really theirs—they are taught that freedom is to be seized and rationed. They can sleep at night, having advanced themselves and their puppeteers, and to hell with everybody else. They see the greatness of America not in its people, but in its corporations. They see the success of America not in hard work, but in business swindles. They see the worthiness of America not in its quality of life, but in its quality of investing. They see the future of America not in progress, but in revolution to establish a kind of theocracy for white males with dissent caged and individuality suppressed. They see America not for what it is or what it can be. They see delusions, specters, fantasies. They see communists under every bed and a gun in every hand. They see tax breaks for the rich, and delayed retirement for everyone else. They fight the redistribution of wealth not because they oppose redistribution, but because their sole purpose is to protect wealth and keep it where they think it belongs, in the bank accounts of the wealthy...But you know better. If you sit there next Tuesday, if you sit there tomorrow and the rest of this week and you let this cataclysm unfold, you have enabled this. It is one thing to be attacked by those who would destroy America from without. It is a worse thing to be attacked by those who would destroy America from within.”

Here's from a DC Insider poll:
"Additionally, 33 percent of Washington elites believe tea party candidates have been the most negative during the 2010 campaign; 30 percent said Democrats have been the most negative, while 26 percent pointed to Republicans.” “And when asked which party has been the most negative during this campaign, only 15 percent of the general public pointed to the tea party. Thirty-four percent said Democrats have been the most negative, while 23 percent identified Republicans and 28 percent said they did not know.”

So the country would agree with us when we say that the Democrats are the "most negative", but the Democrats think it's the Tea Party being the "most negative", I'm going to have to go with the public on this one, case closed.

Here are some things I wrote up for my site: Then you get Obama joining these people, this is the kind of thing that makes me fine with wearing my Joker Obama NWO shirt, “Part of the reason that our politics seems so tough right now and facts and science and argument does not seem to be winning the day all the time is because we're hardwired not to always think clearly when we're scared,” “The biggest mistake we can make right now is to – is out of hurt and confusion, the worst thing we could do is to go back to the very same policies that caused this mess in the first place.” “I hoped, like many of you hoped, that we could have both parties put politics aside for the sake of the country,” but Republicans are going to, “ride people's anger and frustration all the way to to the ballot box.” Yeah, the Dems sure have put politics aside for the sake of the country...they care so much about us. This goes along with all of the “There's too much anger these days, we need to be level headed and compromise for the sake of the country” crap. The Dems never compromise, they always talk about it, but they really mean, the Repubs need to compromise with us so we can destroy the country quicker. They also had no problem with all of the opposition to Bush, but now no one is allowed to be against the president, they had a fit when Rush said this about Obama from the beginning, “I hope he fails.” They were attacking him for wanting the president to fail, they wouldn't acknowledge what he really meant, that he hoped that his agenda fails, they just got stuck on him wanting a president to fail, even though the president and his party we're about to try to destroy the world. These are the same people who would have demanded someone be killed if they had said that they “hoped Hitler would fail”, these people are scumbags, they're the definition of tools. So they started off by trying to enforce a Fairness Doctrine style policy, where someone like Rush has to also tell us the lies that our government approves of. It also meant that they wanted to tax successful radio shows like Rush's, since the only successful ones are Conservative radio, to help pay for the state sponsored crap like NPR and PBS, which already receive our tax money, supposedly because, “public radio is the last remaining source of independent, non-commercial and thought-provoking broadcast media in the country.” So much so, that they can't survive with Fed funding, marketing and merchandise revenue, and the constant donations, so they have to steal from people like Rush, who's station does very well merely on marketing, online subscription, and merchandise revenue.

This leads to the absurd Rally to Restore Sanity that the extremely liberal Colbert and Stewart were going to hold, “...for the people who think shouting is annoying, counterproductive and terrible for your throat.” “Organizers said the call for a more tempered political dialogue tapped into a large demographic that feels alienated by this year's overheated partisanship” I bet every dictator loved when the dialogue was tempered, I'd say that that large demographic doesn't know anything about politics or history, my very uninformed friends went. Then you get Stewart lying, he likely laughed when he said this, “I have no obligation to the Democrats or progressives or liberals or unions,” just willingly choose to be their Young Vote lapdog. So it's fine for Libs to speak out against Repubs, but when Repubs speak out against Libs, it's because were crazy, supposedly we're just angry and we want to yell, we want to create “polarization”. Though they didn't seem to think that they created “polarization” during the Bush years, now the opposition needs to “dry up the poison”. Then you get this delusional black man who calls into Garrison, a Conservative talk radio host, he informed him that he had to “respect the order”, that we needed to promote unity, that we have to “respect” the president (even though that position is so tarnished it has rotten through). That we're creating too much polarization, and this is teaching our children dissension, how can we teach our children to obey us when we won't obey the president. That Garrison is only trying to “get ratings up”, that he is tearing down the nation, that he is racially motivated and trying to inspire racial divide. To top it off he's not a good christian because he doesn't support Al Sharpton and because he is trying to incite people. I wonder if this guy would've called in to a liberal radio show in 2003 and said these things about “respecting” Bush, that we had to do everything Bush wanted or we were bad Christians, inspiring hatred, and dividing the country for having an opposing viewpoint. If you don't support starting wars in the Middle East, then you are unpatriotic, divisive, and just trying to get higher ratings. This guy is a perfect example of a Democrat, they are blinded and delusional hypocrites who can't think for themselves, they just have to repeat talking points from the MSM. This leads into the hilarious One Nation Working Together Rally held by Liberals in response to the TP, “...we are determined to build a more united country with good jobs, equal justice, and quality public education for all.” Big 'Ol LOLz on that one. Now they're telling us that, if Obama can't do it, no one can...goodness gracious. That's especially funny when the New York Times says that the Democrats have to do a better job of telling America that they're not trying to destroy it.
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posted on Jan, 1 2011 @ 01:07 PM
A bit more that I've written up, I took out the links, this is about the election, it's a good example of all of the feces that we've had to put up with, it's a good example of why we aren't always "polite", Slurpy Sippers UNITE!:
So we finally had a groundswell of grassroots uprising, so obviously the state controlled media went into delusional mode big time, so this meant the majority of Americans continued to believe lies, but we still had a record breaking win. These Dems were sprinting away from Obama, the Dem party, the HC bill, and even their own incumbency, these people even started talking like Conservatives. In most of their ads they don't mention that they're Democrats, and most of the incumbents talked like they weren't part of creating this mess while talking about fixing it, they didn't have anything to run on, so they ignored the issues and their voting record, and they just attacked people personally. They up played themselves as being moderates and bipartisan, while doing things like referring to the HC Bill as the Federal HC Bill and acting like it wasn't the Dem HC Bill. This is perfectly exemplified by Joe Manchin's campaign ad where he flip flops on HC and even shoots the C&T bill, he also says he wouldn't vote for Pelosi as majority leader. Most of the campaigning Dems wouldn't let Obama come campaign for them, they distanced themselves as much as they could, here is an article about Obama's endorsement being a kiss of death. But he did go to the hotly contested Delaware, but that was supposedly just so he could "expose” O'Donnell, even though it was supposedly a sure win. Then there's things like Coons calling in Al Franken, the comedian, to help him campaign, but he never asked Joe Biden, the VP, even though it was his former seat. Even Reid needed some extra fire power, so he called in Clinton to come help, the picture would be great for a dart board. He even got a leading Nevada Republican to back him, “In short, if you want a talk show host who gets nothing done, listen to Angle. If you want a senator who can get the most jobs for Nevada during hard times, vote for Reid.” He should be fined for this egregious lie, that's because Nevada has the highest unemployment, the highest foreclosure rate, and Reid is for amnesty and CandT...sure sounds like he's a job getter. Unions in the state made it mandatory that their members go vote for him, they kept a record of who voted, mix that with a huge smear campaign and the fact that liberals are completely blind, and that added up to Reid actually keeping his seat. Dems also tried bribing other Dems who were going to run to get out of the race, two people actually spoke out about it, Joe Sestak and Andrew Romanoff were both offered White House jobs. Then you get what was declared by Liberals even, as Clinton's disappointing speech, “Well, all we’re really asking for is two more years, that’s a total of four, to get us out of the hole and get us into the future. That’s half as much time as you gave them to dig the hole. Seems fair to us.” Or the Boston Herald's article about President Obama's faithful losing hope as the magic fades. Or how Obama tells Dems to wake up for November, as Biden just tells them to stop whining. Or a personal favorite, when Obama says to a crowd that Republicans are expecting black people to stay home on election day, racist. They were so desperate that Obama had to go to Wisconsin University to energize his base, this is a very liberal school and they got rhetoric at full blast, it was all Change, Progress, Future, and don't go backwards. Then you get John Kerry blaming the Democrats failure on an uninformed electorate, though I'd blame it on a finally informed electorate, and Wisconsin Poli Sci prof Charles Franklin says it's because the voters are "pretty **** stupid”. All these Libs knew they were cooked, that's why Big Dem Donors weren't really giving much for the election, even though they knew they needed it, and Wall St. also was short on the giving. Oddly, even the New York Times ran an article about how many Dems are now voting Repub, twilight zone. So these people blame this on Obama not getting his message out well enough, that he needed to reshape it, this means that he just needed to lie better. This also went for Pelosi, they tried to say that the Dems didn't go far enough, didn't do enough, these people are insane, and then they say that Pelosi was not rewarded for being effective, since so many Dems spoke out against her, turns out she was rewarded though, they voted her in as now-minority Speaker of the House. This is great, she is a perfect face for them and we should all support the Dems destroying themselves.

Then there's some other ridiculousness, Obama started using this car analogy, which began quite a while ago, and he paints a hilarious picture. He felt that while they were trying to get the car out of the ditch, by digging the ditch deeper and doing burnouts in it, that Republicans were sipping Slurpys. If Repubs were to say that he was sipping Slurpys, they'd try to figure out how they could make that out to be racist. They also keep going on about how the Republicans are the party of No, but the party of No is exactly what we need right now. Then there's the absurd rhetoric that the Republicans are standing in the Democrats' and America's way – even though they had a 60 seat super majority, they could have passed anything they wanted, but some Democrats didn't sell their souls. So really Democrats got in the way of the Dems, and then a Republican, Scott Brown, had a wild upset in Massachusetts over Ted Kennedy's vacant seat, this is about as liberal as you can get too, and they no longer had that super majority. Then there is the fact that they left town before the election without debating the Sunsetting Tax Cuts and most importantly, without even attempting to pass a budget, they supposedly wanted to wait for the non-non-partisan Debt know, they don't want to rush it. Then there is the fact that the Drilling Moratorium was lifted just in time for the elections, and Charlie Rengel's ethics trial trial was put off until after the election. He was later found to have violated several ethics policies and even walked out of his own hearing because he supposedly didn't have enough time to get a lawyer...yeahhh, I guess holding it off until after the elections wasn't enough time. Then there was the problem of several places, New York and Illinois, not sending the Military absentee ballots, this is because soldiers usually vote Republican, but prison inmates in CHI got their ballots hand delivered. Then there's the fact that Florida Dems sent out a mailer with the Repub candidate's Social Security number on it, they called it “an inadvertent mistake” Then there's the fact that 4 days before the election we get the toner cartridge bomber, MSM went nanners over it and for some reason these terrorists couldn't buy their own printer cartridges and wires. Or that Alan Grayson, a normally good guy, made an ad that talked about "Taliban Dan” because his opponent was a part of some crazy Christian group. So instead of just telling the truth, he took something that he said and completely took it out of context, when he didn't even need to. And you know how we just can't afford tax cuts for the rich, well Obama, Pelosi, and Reid asked for 250 dollars each, billions of dollars, for a cost of living adjustment for Social Security, even though no one else ever gets cost of living adjustments for anything any more, but a failing program supposedly deserves them. And best of all, Obama went on the Daily Show just before the election, you energize the youth vote, and he actually looked really bad - Stewart called him dude and when Obama said that Larry Summers did a good job, the audience laughed and Stewart pointed out that maybe he shouldn't say that here.

Then there were the attacks on Conservative women, women are really the ones who are helping to lead this fight, and of course Liberals absolutely hate that they're not Liberals. Michelle Bachman is amazing, you should watch all her videos, and then of course there's Sarah Palin, she has had to deal with the most attacks, and she has taken it gracefully and she has only become more and more popular. If you think that she is dumb, that's only because you fell for the media lie, she is just as bright as any idiot we have in DC and she is firmly Conservative and she is firmly against the Republican establishment, she is also a part of the Tea Party, she can be my president any day because she is actually for the People. So of course there was a NYT hit piece, called Mean Girls, “We are in the era of Republican Mean Girls, grown-up versions of those teenage tormentors who would steal your boyfriend, spray-paint your locker and, just for good measure, spread rumors that you were pregnant. These women — Jan, Meg, Carly, Sharron, Linda, Michele, Queen Bee Sarah and sweet wannabe Christine — have co-opted and ratcheted up the disgust with the status quo that originally buoyed Barack Obama. Whether they’re mistreating the help or belittling the president’s manhood, making snide comments about a rival’s hair or ripping an opponent for spending money on a men’s fashion show, the Mean Girls have replaced Hope with Spite and Cool with Cold. They are the ideal nihilistic cheerleaders for an angry electorate.” Yeah...sure is a whole lot of objectivity in them there words. Here's a Washington Post response to Mean Girls, it's surprisingly a much better stance. Remember how the Tea Party was said to be the most negative campaigners by the DC elite, well >Joy Behar, a host of the liberal mind-control show known as the View, called Angle a ***** and said that she was going to heck. In response to that, Angle sent her flowers because she had raised 150,000 dollars online because of that, so Joy called her a ***** again. Then there was the whole Meg Whitman illegal immigrant maid situation, this woman had a license and SS number and she signed under the threat of perjury that she was here legally, Meg did everything she was supposed to. When she found out that she was here illegally, she fired her even though they loved her, she did everything she was supposed to with that too. Yet, they still made a huge deal out of it because they had absolutely nothing to run on, well they had plenty to run on, it's just that they chose not to.

posted on Jan, 1 2011 @ 01:44 PM


Just google "+online +freelance +writing OR writer OR journalism" - and start clicking. Most "jobs" involve 'blogging' and / or 'social networking'.

posted on Jan, 1 2011 @ 01:48 PM
You must first understand what "Libertarian" is.

Socially liberal. Means hands off the people and their natural rights, also means not holding a citizens hand from cradle to grave, not making a bunch of laws and regulations to protect people from themselves. It means people are responsible for themselves.

Fiscally conservative. Means simply you can't spend money you don't have.

Many other tenants of a libertarian viewpoint are easy to find.
They are in the constitution.

For instance, that the military is only meant to protect the borders of the union from inside the borders of the union.
That only gold and silver are money, and under the treasury department.

Quite a few other points, and you can find them in one document.

We now live in a "fasocialist" state, where the lines between fascist and socialist are blurred constantly by the revolving door between business and politics.
Government controls big business (socialist) while big business has its hands in the political process manipulating the writing of the laws (fascist).

Fascists want to take your money and freedoms to protect you from an external threat.
Socialists want to take your money and freedoms to protect you from an internal threat.

You can use the terms "liberal" and "conservative" if it makes you feel better.

Depending on your method of indoctrination, "Libertarian troll" can be either conservative or liberal.

posted on Jan, 1 2011 @ 02:08 PM

Originally posted by gotrox

Government controls big business (socialist) while big business has its hands in the political process manipulating the writing of the laws (fascist).

I think you have got this point reversed and I think the reversal makes a difference -

The initial corruption occurs before the politician has any real power... big business transfers a portion of their
power (money/influence) to initiate the process. The way it all manifests also depends upon who does the policing...
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posted on Jan, 1 2011 @ 02:29 PM
reply to post by soficrow

and guarantee that most of the "jobs" you find involve 'blogging' and posting on message boards. Pay for these "casual contracts" runs about $20 for 100 words in 5 or more posts.

I had no Idea, well I would sol, but I know some people that fit the bill

posted on Jan, 1 2011 @ 02:31 PM

Originally posted by soficrow


Just google "+online +freelance +writing OR writer OR journalism" - and start clicking. Most "jobs" involve 'blogging' and / or 'social networking'.

Well, I think that would apply to bother sides, or anyone with an agenda to push.

Now I get the picture, hmmmmmmmmmmmm, often wondered why some people are so unyielding , they have to be to get paid?
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posted on Jan, 1 2011 @ 03:55 PM
reply to post by Stormdancer777

Not sure you quite get it SD. ...posting on message boards is a new kind of JOB, usually advertised as a "freelance writing" job. ...Big corporations PAY for your time and typing skills. So do political parties. But big corporations have more money.

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