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Originally posted by SaturnFX
Most of the red states produce very little GDP...
Texas is the second largest economy in the United States, and is the 13th largest economy in the world.
The economic output of the state of Texas was $1.224 trillion in 2008.
Originally posted by SaturnFX
The one major problem I see is how to divide up the nuclear stockpile. I do not want to imagine a world where a very hard right religious theocratic style nation has a ton of nuclear weapons..so that in itself is a show stopper until we can elimiinate all weapons of mass destruction in America and sign a treaty of non-proliferation that both sides abide by...with the contingency that if either side violates it, they give up all rights as a nation and UN troops move in to secure the entire country without question. You build a nuke, you give up control completely.
So, ultimately...it will never happen. We like our big bombs and earth ending devices.
Originally posted by autowrench
reply to post by Jazzyguy
From what I have read in the Texas Constitution Texas never gave over power to the Federal Government, Texas had a Treaty, instead. And truthfully, any or all of the States can "secede" merely by nullifying Federal Law. It's that simple.
Originally posted by SaturnFX
reply to post by SmedleyBurlap
Ya...the whole free labor thing was part of southern success in the 19th century, and the next to slave labor of the very early 20th century.
So, I guess they will have to find a new slave class if they want to return to the good ole days. Perhaps make every single crime a massive offense requiring 20 years of slave labor...that should fix that issue. Will get a good revenue to the government by making slave trading a official federal trade, get your fields plowed and picked for next to nothing, voila...back to the southern good ole days.
What would it look like if all the conservatives formed a “utopia” in Texas
Originally posted by Jazzyguy
Secession! What Would It Look Like If Red States Formed Their Own Country?
From me, the answer is yes. It's just my opinion, I don't know the details regarding the technicality or the legality of it, but the general principle is you shouldn't force a state to stay within a UNITED States if it's no longer wish to do so.
Originally posted by FarArcher
If the Southern States reiterated those secessions today, there would be no armed assault.
The United States government has direct ownership of almost 650 million acres of land (2.63 million square kilometers) – nearly 30% of its total territory
...re: just for texans... for those who think succession is not only possible but a viable solution, think about this... besides land in texas thats owned by the federal government, who do you think owns the mineral rights, the pipelines, the salt dome storage units, the refineries, the ship channel industries?... do you think its all owned by loyal texans that would risk losing a penny of profit to facilitate succession or that would risk the federal government bombing their facilities in reprisal?...
Originally posted by hawkiye
reply to post by Wyn Hawks
Most so called federal land is owned illegally. No land can be owned by the fed in any state without that states permission and and only minimally for federal purposes. All the BLM land and Forests and parks etc. is all unlawful for the feds to own.
Originally posted by Jazzyguy
Originally posted by thewanger
The states give power to the federal government. The federal government does not give power to the states. The states can take away that power at any time. Read The Constitution.
Sorry, not looking for constitutional detail, just member's opinions.
Originally posted by randomname
i think senators can only run for the state they were born in
Originally posted by nivekronnoco
reply to post by FarArcher
The American Civil War first began when Confederate troops opened fire on Fort Sumter in Charleston Harbor....All Confederate Apologists Lie.