Originally posted by kallisti36
Yes, the King of Tyre speach much like the "lucifer" one in Isaiah(which I don't believe to refer to the devil) makes no direct reference to Satan.
However unlike the lucifer speach, the aspects given to the "King of Tyre" could not possibly be attributed to a man. Why would Ezekiel refer to the
King of Tyre as being in Eden (only 3 sapient creatures in Eden) and being a Cherubim, awfully blasphemous unless he were referring to a celestial
King of Tyre (possession perhaps?).
For some time, I thought based on some of the prophecy against the Prince of Tyre, that it was just a man. Then I wondered, what if its like Gog,
Prince of Magog and Michael, Prince of Israel? After looking at the verse again it does seem possible that the verse could be talking about one of the
70. Yet it is also implied he has become a mortal, like the warning from Psalm 82 which says in the Hebrew, "They will become mortal and die like
Adam" if they fail in their duties.
Ah, yes I totally forgot about the Seraphim, but still, there is no record of fallen Seraphim (atleast directly), only Watchers and
Remeber the fiery serpent description? In the Book of Enoch, the Seraphim are actually referred to as "dragons".
In the Book of Revelations, the "Red Dragon" in Heaven with seven heads, ten horns and seven crowns. The dragon isn't "red". The word in the Greek
used there is Pyros, which actually translates as Fiery. Looking at what the angel tells John about the Beast, which is in imitation, of the Fiery
Dragon in Heaven. The Heads, Horns and Crowns of the Dragon could be many Seraphim.
I also would put forward the idea that Ha-Satan is among the Grigori. You see Ha-Satan is a title, it means "the accuser", the entity known as Satan
is never dignified with a proper name in the official Biblical canon, and no it is not "lucifer".
He isn't given a proper name in scripture, but he is frequently referred to as being "Prince of the World" and even "god of the Aeon". Outside
scripture, he is given a name, Samael, Prince of Rome.
So Satan could be any one of the fallen watchers, or he could have had a seperate rebellion, which is what you seem to be implying. If you can give
evidence that there were two rebellions in Heaven I would appreciate it.
The first mass fall, "rebellion", would be from Genesis 6 and the Book of Enoch. Its presented as history.
The second fall is presented as prophecy, which is the fall of the Prince of the World, as presented in the Book of John and the entire empire, the
Fiery Dragon of seven heads in Revelations. This fall is always referenced as a coming event, not a past event.
Anyways, Enoch is an extension of Genesis 6 which describes the "Sons of God" having sex with the daughters of men. From my understanding, Son of God
implies a direct creation of God. The only people who are Sons of God are Angels, Adam and Eve, Ya'hshuah, and those who are "born again" by the
spirit. Ya'hshuah was the bridge between man and God, because he was a direct creation and was born of man, hence Son of God and Son of Man. So, Sons
of God can refer to any angel including the Watchers, so yes the Sons of God that are with Satan in Job could very likely be the same from Genesis 6
or a different group. I believe them to be one in the same because Ya'hshuah describes Satan being cast down.
Jesus, "Yehoshuah", said he saw him "like lightning fall from heaven" in Luke. He's talking of a vision of the future.
Compare John 12:31
Now is the time for judgment on this world; now the Prince of this world will be driven out.
and in regard to judgment, because the Prince of this world now stands condemned.
Likewise, events portrayed in Revelations as said to be a prophetic vision of John of Patmos.
On the other hand, Azazel, who helped lead the Grigori, is said to have been bound on earth and others like him also bound on earth or in the
Also look at Ephesians 2:2
in which you used to live when you followed the ways of this world and of the ruler of the kingdom of the air, the spirit who is now at work in
those who are disobedient.
The Greek word used there for air, Aeros, is the Lower Heavens. The Powers and Principalities are also described as being in Heaven in Ephesians.
The Prince of the world isn't bound on earth or in the abyss, yet. According to Yehoshuah in John 16, his crucifixion, begins the process that will
lead to the fall and binding which is described in Revelations.
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