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Originally posted by The Shrike
Roswell Daily Record
Tuesday, July 8, 1947
RAAF Captures Flying Saucer On Ranch in Roswell Region
No Details of Flying Disk Are Revealed
Roswell Hardware Man and Wife Report Disk Seen
The intelligence office of the 509th Bombardment group at Roswell Army Field announced at noon today, that the field has come into possession of a flying saucer.
According to information released by the department, over authority of Maj. J. A. Marcel, intelligence officer, the disk was recovered on a ranch in the Roswell vicinity, after an unidentified rancher had notified Sheriff Geo. Wilcox, here, that he had found the instrument on his premises.
Major Marcel and a detail from his department went to the ranch and recovered the disk, it was stated.
After the intelligence officer here had inspected the instrument it was flown to higher headquarters.
The intelligence office stated that no details of the saucer's construction or its appearance had been revealed.
Mr. and Mrs. Dan Wilmot apparently were the only persons in Roswell who seen what they thought was a flying disk.
They were sitting on their porch at 105 South Penn. last Wednesday night at about ten o'clock when a large glowing object zoomed out of the sky from the southeast, going in a northwesterly direction at a high rate of speed.
Originally posted by illuminateme
Not sure if I quoted this right from OP, Appologies if I goofed.
I guess he himself didn't say saucer, but my original comment still stands as to why he did not correctly identify it form the get go. I mean balloons had been around for quite some time ans should be easily identifiable.
You're finding the same thing as me. A lot of what we read in this field turns out to not be true after we do further research. Here's a source regarding the guy who worked on Mogul and didn't even know its classified name "mogul" until 40 something years later:
Originally posted by simples
i have just been looking into project mogul and it seems it wasnt declassified two days after roswell it infact was declassified sum 40 years later, so my lesson learnt DO MORE RESEARCH DUHHHH
There are probably even more than 7 different versions now. But a lot of former Roswell believers have defected to the Mogul explanation. Even Pflock used to believe it was a crashed saucer before he wrote "Roswell : Inconvenient Facts and the Will to Believe". I used to think they were covering something up, and I was right. But that was before 1994.
"Retrieval", the third part of a UFO Down To Earth documentary series that dealt with Roswell aired on the satellite Discovery Channel in 1996, brought together Professor Charles B. Moore and Irving Newton (the weather officer who initially identified the debris in 1947) to demonstrate that what was originally found were the remains of a balloon carrying microphones to listen to the first Soviet Atom Bomb, classified 'Top Secret Priority 1A'. The project name itself was kept secret from the personnel: 'Mogul'.
Quoting Professor Moore: "To be truthful, I never heard of the name 'Project Mogul' until 1992 - I did know the intrinsic purpose of what we were doing, that is trying to detect Soviet nuclear explosions, but I knew none of the military classifications and I had no need to know"..."Retrieval" also pointed out that there were at least seven different versions of the Roswell story (at that time), hinting that more and more embellishments and accretions to the story were likely to be added as time went by.
Originally posted by DisturbedToo
reply to post by The Shrike
Quote: The bundle of tinfoil, broken wood beams and rubber remnants of a balloon were sent here yesterday by army air transport in the wake of reports that it was a flying disk.
Really?....This is the most ridiculous part of the whole post! I'm laughing so hard I think i just peed myself!!!!!
Originally posted by Arbitrageur
So Pflock is an ex-believer, I'm an ex-believer, and lots of people who used to believe there was a cover-up and were Roswell believers, have come to accept the Mogul explanation as the most likely.
Originally posted by spacevisitor
But may I ask what you think about the claim is that no strings or wires were to be found, because is it not so then that all the parts of a mogul balloon were hold together with strings or wires.
No strings or wires were to be found but there were some eyelets in the paper to indicate that some sort of attachment may have been used.
I suspect that's exactly what happened, that it was dragged on the ground, ripping the targets to shreds, shed some ballast, and became airborne again. There's no way to prove that's what happened, but it seems like a perfectly reasonable scenario to me.
Considering the amount of time the train was in the upper atmosphere, it seems that there would be a significant amount of balloons bursting during the end of the flight. When one examines the description of balloon debris by weight reported by Mack Brazel to the Roswell Daily Record, it seems that this was the case. According to Professor Moore, there was only enough material for three or four balloons. Flight #5 had 12 balloons intact when it landed and it fell at an average rate of 800-1000 feet per minute until it reached 25,000 feet. Assuming that some other balloons were intact to pull some of the upper train away from the Foster Ranch, the number of balloons left after the descent would have been less than a dozen. This is consistent with the rapid descent calculated by Moore. During the descent the train again resumed a northeast flight path as it passed back into the troposphere. This path took it into the vicinity of the Foster Ranch. Upon touching down, the train would have been dragged in a northeast direction scattering balloon and reflector material (as well as other items in the train such as parachutes, launching rings, etc) over a good size area. Once this ballast had been shed, the remaining balloons would have taken the remains of the train airborne and further to the northeast.
Originally posted by backinblack
reply to post by The Shrike
It's too late. Whatever they said they saw has no bearing on anything because nothing can be proven from their comments.
And yet your entire thread was based on nothing but comments..
You may be right, but were they were determined to recover it?
Originally posted by simples
my guess is that the military would of been able to work out the trajectory of the object, wind speed and all that good stuff and they would of been able to calculate which direction the rest of the object went then it would of just been a matter of time before they found the rest of it through aircraft searching the possible flight path???