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posted on Jan, 2 2011 @ 12:10 PM
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What's your motive WW? Really.....I think I know but I thought perhaps you can tell all of us exactly who you are and why you're doing this.


I know altitude. I've been around planes for 50 years. I have binoculars. I cannot see logos obviously but I know my colors.

To everyone else who doesn't have an agenda.............there is something big going on. I mean, the last time I saw this much activity over southeast Florida, the Haitian earthquake took place. Now, am I saying they're related? Not definately but I think there may be a strong correlation.

These planes have been out and about since 9AM this morning and they are still going strong.

There are regular planes doing their regular jobs, shuffling regular people to their regular destinations. I see the difference. But these WHITE planes at about 25,000 ASL (above *mean* sea level) are purposefully clouding the skies.

So what does this mean?

I don't know and that's what makes this entire paradigm, frustrating. Because it can be ANYONE.

Is anyone down here? Palm Beach county? Hell, it can probably be seen all the way down in Miami!

Un-friggin'-real!




posted on Jan, 2 2011 @ 12:16 PM
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What? So I can post dozens and dozens of photos just to hear people say they're contrails? What's the point?

I am asking if anyone is down here, IN PERSON (which is a LOT better than photographs) to witness this!

I am about to get rid of my cell phone (as we all should) so what will that make me then...?....even less believable because I won't have means to show proof?

It's not about proof. It's a matter of what people believe they're doing.
Everyone sees it. So what good are photos anymore???
I am DONE proving this. It's not my job mon.......!

((((((((((((((Southeast Florida (on the coast)............go take a look at your lattice, checker board skies right now))))))))))))))).



posted on Jan, 2 2011 @ 12:18 PM
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im with you man , i see them here also, my gfs grandma is in tampa lives there and can see them also. it seems like some people on this thread want people to believe otherwise , and they never miss a chemtrail thread. and they never stop, now i dont know about them but if i see a thread about something i dont believe in , i dont go to that thread, seems like its a job to them, i dont know, i know there real, you know there real, we need to focus on finding out who is doing this and why.
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posted on Jan, 2 2011 @ 12:21 PM
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Originally posted by firepilot



Now, I have a question. Do planes have to check in with local air traffic control towers?


No, why would a plane flying at 35000 ft or so need to check in with an airport it is flying miles and miles over. It would be on center approach frequencies.




I wasn't sure how that worked so thanks. I thought because this is over several major airports (within 75 miles from one another) that everyone crossing (well, criss-crossing back and forth) has to check in.


So...................they're safe from identity!

This is not directed to you because I know which side you're on so...............

I do notice less commercial air traffic when these goons are out in droves like they are right now. Not sure why that is.
Hell, even the local "We Love Jesus" sky writers (who are always out on Sunday) aren't even out today!!!

Maybe they check flight schedules ahead of time so not to get caught by a passing passenger plane? Who knows. Done speculating.



posted on Jan, 2 2011 @ 12:25 PM
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What's your motive WW? Really.....


I really hate to see such stupidity get repeated. STUPIDITY such as "chemtrails". It's utter nonsense, and each and every time it continues to spread, the charlatans and liars and cheats and con-artists who spread this crap, they win.



I think I know but I thought perhaps you can tell all of us exactly who you are and why you're doing this.


See above. I hate, also, to see people who usually are intelligent and reasonable make fools of themselves.

I don't know why I flippin' care, anymore...I CERTAINLY don't about some of you, who just don't get it. I mean, I wrote that long post, and THERE IS NO WAY YOU BOTHERED TO READ IT, and follow the links, since you responded in only ten minutes!!! :shk:


However, there are plenty of other people who actually WANT to learn, who will read this, and it might save THEM from embarrassment, in future....from looking stupid in front of people who know better, and may just sadly shake their heads and walk away...



I know altitude. I've been around planes for 50 years. I have binoculars. I cannot see logos obviously but I know my colors.


Binoculars. You "saw colors"? Then, why did you lie and say they were, and I quote, "WHITE" ??



These planes have been out and about since 9AM this morning and they are still going strong.


??? What, you don't think airplanes fly overhead your area, from cities where they start out very early in the morning?? You've never been to an airport, anywhere, at 0500, and seen a lot of early-morning flights starting out??



There are regular planes doing their regular jobs, shuffling regular people to their regular destinations. I see the difference. But these WHITE planes at about 25,000 ASL (above *mean* sea level) are purposefully clouding the skies.


Now, you're back to "WHITE" again??? Make up your mind. You have binoculars, and have "experience around airplanes for 50 years", so you should be able to "planespot" correct? Type and model and airline, right?? Unless, your "been around airplanes" means something else than I'm seeing in it??


So what does this mean?


It means that you haven't the first clue about meteorology, and you don't care to learn, either (apparently). NOR, about aviation, despite your claimed "50 years of experience"......



posted on Jan, 2 2011 @ 12:25 PM
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Originally posted by gateway30
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im with you man , i see them here also, my gfs grandma is in tampa lives there and can see them also. it seems like some people on this thread want people to believe otherwise , and they never miss a chemtrail thread. and they never stop, now i dont know about them but if i see a thread about something i dont believe in , i dont go to that thread, seems like its a job to them, i dont know, i know there real, you know there real, we need to focus on finding out who is doing this and why.
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Makes you wonder if there's a pay check in their mailbox eh? Because that's exactly what I've always maintained too
If I don't believe in something or it's just not my thing and there's a thread on said-subject, the last thing I'd want to do is waste my time ranting about my less-than-agreeable opinion.

So......watch out. There's more to EVERYTHING (forums included) than meets the eye!


Chemtrails are real. Their purpose is speculative. And one doesn't cancel the other out.
Hell, I know mosquitoes exist and I still haven't figured out their purpose either

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posted on Jan, 2 2011 @ 12:29 PM
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Originally posted by weedwhacker
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What's your motive WW? Really.....


I really hate to see such stupidity get repeated. STUPIDITY such as "chemtrails". It's utter nonsense,


Then on behalf on many MANY people on this thread and others just like this, we ask you kindly and respectfully to leave then.

Why are you wasting your time on nonsense? That amazes me almost as much as these chemtrails do.

South east Florida, please take a look outside. It is unbelievable. I don't think I've ever seen so much activity in one day like today.



posted on Jan, 2 2011 @ 12:34 PM
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............go take a look at your lattice, checker board skies right now)


You didn't botherr to look at the "skyvector" link did you???

Here's a screen-shot (you'd see your actual area, if you'd stop complaining about things you don't understand, and learn instead). It's a typical look at high-altitude charts and Jet Airways routes (for Detroit, in this case):



You don't think airplnes follow all sorts of differnt paths, when the cities are all over the map????



posted on Jan, 2 2011 @ 12:38 PM
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Oh, for PETE'S sake!!!! Go learn!

In response to firepilot, about the airplanes passing overhead, you wrote this:


So...................they're safe from identity!


Thatis ignorance, displayed fully....for someone who told me he's "been around airplanes for 50 years"!!

EVERY flight above 18,000 feet (FL180) is in POSITIVE RADAR CONTROL in the continguous United States lower 48.

So, NO! They are not "safe from identity"!!!!

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posted on Jan, 2 2011 @ 12:48 PM
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You can link me to every single link on the Internet Weed....................I am not interested.

You're not going to keep peeing on my leg and try to convince me it's raining. I am the wrong person for your antics.

I know planes. I know passenger planes that go from point A......to point B. And unfortunately, I am becoming all too familiar with these criminals.

In fact, this is the first time (today) I've witnessed (although I've seen many videos of it) two WHITE planes, at approximately 25,000 ASL were looping. They were making a "U" in the sky.

I am sure I am not the only one seeing this today down here so I will keep looking to see if any young whippersnappers (like that proud grandparent earlier ------boosting about his/her grand-children's techno-toy collection) uploaded any videos.

Weed? This discussion between us is done. Please don't bother responding because it'll just be scrolled past. Thanks



posted on Jan, 2 2011 @ 02:40 PM
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Originally posted by Human_Alien
We are getting SLAMMED in south Florida right now.

I canNOT believe what these people are doing to MY sky and......no one seems to notice (until I start snapping photos). There are no less than 10 WHITE planes criss-crossing at around 25,000 feet------ clouding up the skies.

I don't have a damn USB cord nor internet on my cell but I am beyond having to prove this to anyone anymore. It's obvious and it's an outrage.


Now, I have a question. Do planes have to check in with local air traffic control towers?
These planes are flying right above West Palm Beach International airport (and have been for nearly 2 hours now) so do you think the tower has information on them or, if they ARE governmental, are they exempt?

These bastards are creating clouds. That is their SOLE purpose. They are not going anywhere. These are NOT, I repeat NOT regular passenger planes so all you WeedWhackers, spare me. This is not about how you thinking they're contrails. Again, I am way past that stupid lame senseless argument!

Please...anyone in south east Florida near the coast, PLEASE go check your skies RIGHT NOW!!!!



If you want to see if they are on radar, go to flightaware.com... and click on the radar map. Ignore the blue colored aircraft - they are either coming in to or leaving PBI. The data blocks show the airline and flight number on the top line, the altitude (in hundreds of feet of pressure altitude, which is pretty close to altitude above sea level) and ground speed in knots on the second line and origin (usually) and destination on the third line. And yes, any aircraft above 18,000 feet is in Class A positive control airspace and must be talking to Miami Air Route Traffic Control Center, which is the radar controlling agency for that area. Right now I count 11 aircraft in easy sight of West Palm. For some fun, check out KTNX on weekdays, especially Mondays and Fridays. That is the airport at the Tonapah Test Range which is Area 51. Just type in KTNX in the airport code and click "view activity. Incidentally, the temperature at 39,000 feet over West Palm is -57 C, which is -74 F, perfect for forming ice crystals from engine exhaust water vapor.



posted on Jan, 2 2011 @ 02:51 PM
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How about looking at this you might like what you read...

www.chemtrailcentral.com...

Just thought you should read this report, and then feel free to debunk it.



posted on Jan, 2 2011 @ 02:58 PM
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two WHITE planes, at approximately 25,000 ASL were looping.


Tell me your secret to knowing how high planes are flying, when your seeing them from the ground?

I linked this for another member, and I think you might enjoy the read yourself so here...

www.chemtrailcentral.com...

Enjoy..



posted on Jan, 2 2011 @ 03:05 PM
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GO HERE AND SIGN THIS PETTITION! to stop this chemtrail plot www.petitiononline.com...



posted on Jan, 2 2011 @ 03:10 PM
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public talk about chemtrails in Europe chemtruth.ning.com...



posted on Jan, 2 2011 @ 03:14 PM
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Hmmm, because I am pretty good at calculating how high clouds hang on any given day.
Call it a talent of mine!

I check CAVU all the time (because I am an avid star gazer) and I am right within several thousand feet. The clouds today hovered about 25,000. As did the Chemtrail planes and pilots!

Here ya go.
www.wunderground.com...

Now go play on another thread, 'k? Buh-bye



posted on Jan, 2 2011 @ 03:17 PM
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Originally posted by gateway30
GO HERE AND SIGN THIS PETTITION! to stop this chemtrail plot www.petitiononline.com...



Excellent idea. Hope it doesn't go straight to Homeland Security though because after all, we can be looked at as terrorists for thinking such a thing.

Thanks Gateway.





Originally posted by gateway30
public talk about chemtrails in Europe chemtruth.ning.com...



Link not working.



posted on Jan, 2 2011 @ 03:21 PM
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Over the years, literally millions of people have come forward and stated they have seen UFO's.

Hundreds of people have sworn on oath about the Government Black Projects they worked on.

NOBODY has ever come out and said "Hey, I am a Pilot and fly planes spraying chemicals" or "I work at such and such airport loading chemicals onto planes to be sprayed!"

It's not real people!

Please explain to me if I am wrong, what chemicals do they spray, why and what do they do?

Factual answers please, not references to silly websites.



posted on Jan, 2 2011 @ 03:25 PM
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chemtrails on unsolved mysteries chemtrails.theshadowland.net...



posted on Jan, 2 2011 @ 03:34 PM
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Hmmm, because I am pretty good at calculating how high clouds hang on any given day. Call it a talent of mine! I check CAVU all the time (because I am an avid star gazer) and I am right within several thousand feet. The clouds today hovered about 25,000. As did the Chemtrail planes and pilots!


Way to dance my friend, but enough BS here you can no more tell how high a plane is flying as I have the ability to tell you next weeks winning lotto numbers.

Thanks for linking a weather page for West Palm Bch., Fla. Whatever you were trying to do it seems to have failed.
Any other cities you want to show me a forecast for?

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