reply to post by Constantlysilenced
I did not cover my tracks. My original message is still very much intact. I added to my post, I did not detract. In fact, I added discussion to the
topic of this thread because the discussion needs to get back on topic.
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reply posted on 1-1-2011 @ 09:38 AM by JohnnyTHSeed
reply to post by bozzchem
The way U.S. society is setup is quite strange to me. You ask why do we need "rulers"?
I believe that when people live in groups, leaders will naturally arise because of their genuine ability to benefit their society. However, this natural ascension of leaders works in a way much opposed to the democratic process. In theory, people may or may not be voted in to office based on their ability to lead, their ambition to better their constituents or any number of other benevolent factors.
In reality, when it comes to high level politics, it seems the wealthy are able to finance a better emotionally driven campaign than the rest.
The way U.S. society is setup is quite strange to me. You ask why do we need "rulers"?
I believe that when people live in groups, leaders will naturally arise because of their genuine ability to benefit their society. However, this natural ascension of leaders works in a way much opposed to the democratic process. In theory, people may or may not be voted in to office based on their ability to lead, their ambition to better their constituents or any number of other benevolent factors.
In reality, when it comes to high level politics, it seems the wealthy are able to finance a better emotionally driven campaign than the rest.
reply posted on 2-1-2011 @ 11:37 PM by whatukno
reply to post by bozzchem
Anarchy in principal is much different than Anarchy in practice. Anarchy in principal like a lot of political systems seems ok, but when put into practice, well, doesn't quite work out very well.
The truth is, humanity decided to civilize itself. Upon doing that, they decided on a code of laws that everyone agreed to abide by.
Anarchists on the other hand tend to give a big middle finger to the rules that society has chosen to abide by and instead want to throw bricks through windows and set dumpsters on fire.
Most anarchists that I have met are kids with parental and or authority issues, basically what they appear to be are white middle class suburban brats who want to rage against the machine and attend burning man while at the same time use copious amounts of narcotics.
Anarchists seem to have the following plan:
Step 1: Rage against the machine, do drugs, throw bricks through windows, light dumpsters on fire.
Step 2: ???
Step 3: Anarchy!
I would recommend that anyone who is really interested in anarchy as a political form go over to Somalia and live for a while, get to know what Anarchy really is like.
Anarchy in principal is much different than Anarchy in practice. Anarchy in principal like a lot of political systems seems ok, but when put into practice, well, doesn't quite work out very well.
The truth is, humanity decided to civilize itself. Upon doing that, they decided on a code of laws that everyone agreed to abide by.
Anarchists on the other hand tend to give a big middle finger to the rules that society has chosen to abide by and instead want to throw bricks through windows and set dumpsters on fire.
Most anarchists that I have met are kids with parental and or authority issues, basically what they appear to be are white middle class suburban brats who want to rage against the machine and attend burning man while at the same time use copious amounts of narcotics.
Anarchists seem to have the following plan:
Step 1: Rage against the machine, do drugs, throw bricks through windows, light dumpsters on fire.
Step 2: ???
Step 3: Anarchy!
I would recommend that anyone who is really interested in anarchy as a political form go over to Somalia and live for a while, get to know what Anarchy really is like.
reply posted on 2-1-2011 @ 11:46 PM by JohnnyTHSeed
reply to post by whatukno
Those people you choose to represent anarchy do not represent anarchy. They represent ignorance.
An anarchist society would not be structureless. Somalia is not a terrible place because it is lacking a goverment.
edit: I thought the wordfilter would take care of that..
Those people you choose to represent anarchy do not represent anarchy. They represent ignorance.
An anarchist society would not be structureless. Somalia is not a terrible place because it is lacking a goverment.
edit: I thought the wordfilter would take care of that..
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reply posted on 2-1-2011 @ 11:54 PM by adigregorio
reply to post by JohnnyTHSeed
Exactly, correlation does not equal causation!
The reason these governments, or lack of, do not work is because people don't give themselves enough credit. (Myself, again, included.)
Saftey nets are called such for a reason, nothing wrong with them. I just don't think I need one. (Key words, "I" and "think" (IE my opinion
))
Exactly, correlation does not equal causation!
The reason these governments, or lack of, do not work is because people don't give themselves enough credit. (Myself, again, included.)
Saftey nets are called such for a reason, nothing wrong with them. I just don't think I need one. (Key words, "I" and "think" (IE my opinion
))edit on 1/2/2011 by adigregorio because: To add: "or lack of"
reply posted on 3-1-2011 @ 12:00 AM by whatukno
reply to post by JohnnyTHSeed
I am afraid I am not the one that chose those people to represent anarchy, they are the ones that chose themselves to represent anarchy. Entire message boards are up where these folks detail their plans for G-20 meetings where lists of businesses are made that they want to target.
This is the face of Anarchy.
This is the face of Anarchy
This is the face of Anarchy.
If you don't want these people to be the face of Anarchy, then they must be marginalized and spoken out against publicly. Anarchy as a political movement will always be seen as the above unless those that see themselves as real anarchists speak out publicly against the actions of these kinds of people. Otherwise, every Tom, Dick, and Harry, will think of the above as Anarchists when you talk about Anarchy.
I am afraid I am not the one that chose those people to represent anarchy, they are the ones that chose themselves to represent anarchy. Entire message boards are up where these folks detail their plans for G-20 meetings where lists of businesses are made that they want to target.
This is the face of Anarchy.
This is the face of Anarchy
This is the face of Anarchy.
If you don't want these people to be the face of Anarchy, then they must be marginalized and spoken out against publicly. Anarchy as a political movement will always be seen as the above unless those that see themselves as real anarchists speak out publicly against the actions of these kinds of people. Otherwise, every Tom, Dick, and Harry, will think of the above as Anarchists when you talk about Anarchy.
reply posted on 4-1-2011 @ 04:04 PM by mnemeth1
reply to post by whatukno
The face of anarchy:
The face of anarchy:
The face of anarchy;
etc.. etc.. etc..
Boy, they sure do look like some rock throwing anarchists, hell bent on destroying society.
The black block anarchists that riot in the streets are not advocating for anarchy, they are advocating for total State control over everything.
The idea that no one owns anything means everyone must own everything, hence, society must necessarily own everything - and if that is the case, then the State must own everything.
Leftist anarchists are the ultimate statists. It should come as no surprise that leftist anarchists are also the most violent political group.
The face of anarchy:
The face of anarchy:
The face of anarchy;
etc.. etc.. etc..
Boy, they sure do look like some rock throwing anarchists, hell bent on destroying society.
The black block anarchists that riot in the streets are not advocating for anarchy, they are advocating for total State control over everything.
The idea that no one owns anything means everyone must own everything, hence, society must necessarily own everything - and if that is the case, then the State must own everything.
Leftist anarchists are the ultimate statists. It should come as no surprise that leftist anarchists are also the most violent political group.
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reply posted on 5-1-2011 @ 05:03 AM by AnonymousJ
reply to post by Constantlysilenced
freedom of speach is in no way chalanged by left wing,marxist or anarchist veiws. what I belive you have done (although I may be wrong) is confuse the authoritarian dictatorship the ussr became with a genuinely expression of the ideology they hid behind. communism describes an economic model (or lack thereof) not the means of governance; democracy dictatorship or anarchy are all aplicable but some of cource are preferable to others. personly I advocate governance by direct democracy leting people make there own desisions and removing the middleman of "the goverment" something that requires as a necesity to function freedom of speach.
sorry for spelling errors
freedom of speach is in no way chalanged by left wing,marxist or anarchist veiws. what I belive you have done (although I may be wrong) is confuse the authoritarian dictatorship the ussr became with a genuinely expression of the ideology they hid behind. communism describes an economic model (or lack thereof) not the means of governance; democracy dictatorship or anarchy are all aplicable but some of cource are preferable to others. personly I advocate governance by direct democracy leting people make there own desisions and removing the middleman of "the goverment" something that requires as a necesity to function freedom of speach.
sorry for spelling errors
edit on 5-1-2011 by AnonymousJ because: (no reason given)
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