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Florida about to have "no refusal" checkpoints

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posted on Jan, 1 2011 @ 07:46 AM
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I don't know about NZ, but in the US, they list "alcohol as a factor" even if the person with alchohol was not the offending party. In other words, if my wife has 2 glasses of wine and is "legally" intoxicated, and she gets rear-ended at a red light by someone sober who is texting their boyfriend, then officiall the crash lists alcohol as a factor. Pretty stupid, but even with that stupid law, alcohol-related accidents make up less than 25% of all crashes.

Classic violation of rights.




posted on Jan, 1 2011 @ 10:39 AM
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Who are these "elite"?


The elite are THESE guys:
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Essentially a "club(s)" of very wealthy and powerful Bankers and Corporate heads who have for the last century at least run the world.

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posted on Jan, 1 2011 @ 10:56 AM
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Maybe you don't go out much? Park in a clubs lot one night and watch people stumble to their cars, or swing off the light posts whooping like tarzan just before getting behind the wheel!


So where are all the good Socialists and Progressives???

Why are they not in each bar's parking lot arranging to get these people home safely???

The American Border Patrol is a nonprofit that monitors the Mexican border. So WHY don't all these do-gooders who are whining about drunk drivers DO SOMETHING CONSTRUCTIVE instead of insisting we need the Gestopo???

Gee if you want to get rid of drunk drivers why don't we put every one into labor camps with 24/7 continuous monitoring. Take away everyone's right to travel, right to own property and right to control their own lives.

There I have solved the problem of drunk drivers.



posted on Jan, 1 2011 @ 11:00 AM
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I didn't pass a single one of these no refusal check points last night. Not when I left City Walk and not when I avoided the I4 and Crossbow through Tampa on the way to St. Petersburg.

I'm on my phone while on vacation, so it's kind of difficult to read if anyone else had similar or different experiences.


 
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posted on Jan, 1 2011 @ 03:51 PM
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Originally posted by thedeadtruth
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Your "opinion" does not hold up to the facts. Only cars where the people are caught "over the limit" get impounded. So simple remedy to that, " Don't drink and drive retards"

And as for "appearing stoned" As someone who has had more than their fair share of various drugs. Then if I looked stoned I probably am. No-one who actually had ant experience with them would say otherwise.


God Americans are such pussies nowadays. Winge winge, moan, moan. Your forefathers would not have stood up for you, they would have slapped you silly. Absolutely pathetic.


John Wayne voice....... " We cant cross the river now because its flooded, the wagon will tip over "

Pansy assed girly voice ..... " Oh I cant be held up, I just gotta be somewhere "



lol wrong again.. and again.

My "opinion" is based on 15+ years experience.. I have taken more POST DUI classes than I can count, worked "Sobriety, drivers license and safety" checkpoints.. passed voir dire as an "expert".. been there, done that.

To suggest only 'over the limit' drivers vehicles are impounded is factually retarded... what about a driver stopped under the influence of phencyclidine, opiate?, stimulant?.. there are NO legal limits to be over or under... there's no PCP breath machine or magic weed influence detector.

You think the police will let a dusted driver go because he's not over the alcohol limit?.. lol

www.americannewsnow.com...
"Modesto area police agencies readily say that drunken drivers aren't their only targets when they set up DUI checkpoints."

Unlicensed driver = 12500VC - a misdemeanor, meaning the driver is taken into custody. Storage authority = 22651(h) (1)VC When an officer arrests a person driving or in control of a vehicle for an alleged offense and the officer is, by this code or other law, required or permitted to take, and does take, the person into custody.

BTW 14601 relates to suspended or revoked license.. meaning the person is unlicensed.

Or 22651(p)VC "When the peace officer issues the driver of a vehicle a notice to appear for a violation of Section 12500, 14601, 14601.1, 14601.2, 14601.3, 14601.4, 14601.5, or 14604..."

..and guess what else?.. a license plate recognition device scans every plate rolling through checkpoint in real time.. any indication of want or warrant = detention, possible arrest, vehicle impound.



posted on Jan, 1 2011 @ 08:31 PM
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This story give me the chills, I cannot believe this is going on in America. sticking people and taking blood against there will WTF, how is it possible/ legal? How is this American?
just no good!



posted on Jan, 1 2011 @ 10:52 PM
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Originally posted by GovtFlu

Originally posted by thedeadtruth
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Your "opinion" does not hold up to the facts. Only cars where the people are caught "over the limit" get impounded. So simple remedy to that, " Don't drink and drive retards"

And as for "appearing stoned" As someone who has had more than their fair share of various drugs. Then if I looked stoned I probably am. No-one who actually had ant experience with them would say otherwise.


God Americans are such pussies nowadays. Winge winge, moan, moan. Your forefathers would not have stood up for you, they would have slapped you silly. Absolutely pathetic.


John Wayne voice....... " We cant cross the river now because its flooded, the wagon will tip over "

Pansy assed girly voice ..... " Oh I cant be held up, I just gotta be somewhere "



lol wrong again.. and again.

My "opinion" is based on 15+ years experience.. I have taken more POST DUI classes than I can count, worked "Sobriety, drivers license and safety" checkpoints.. passed voir dire as an "expert".. been there, done that.

To suggest only 'over the limit' drivers vehicles are impounded is factually retarded... what about a driver stopped under the influence of phencyclidine, opiate?, stimulant?.. there are NO legal limits to be over or under... there's no PCP breath machine or magic weed influence detector.

You think the police will let a dusted driver go because he's not over the alcohol limit?.. lol

www.americannewsnow.com...
"Modesto area police agencies readily say that drunken drivers aren't their only targets when they set up DUI checkpoints."

Unlicensed driver = 12500VC - a misdemeanor, meaning the driver is taken into custody. Storage authority = 22651(h) (1)VC When an officer arrests a person driving or in control of a vehicle for an alleged offense and the officer is, by this code or other law, required or permitted to take, and does take, the person into custody.

BTW 14601 relates to suspended or revoked license.. meaning the person is unlicensed.

Or 22651(p)VC "When the peace officer issues the driver of a vehicle a notice to appear for a violation of Section 12500, 14601, 14601.1, 14601.2, 14601.3, 14601.4, 14601.5, or 14604..."

..and guess what else?.. a license plate recognition device scans every plate rolling through checkpoint in real time.. any indication of want or warrant = detention, possible arrest, vehicle impound.


Yeah, and don't forget that when people are found with dead bodies in the car too!

Heck, I knew a guy who got his car impounded, not for being intoxicated at all, but for having 50 pounds of marijuana in the trunk!!!!

WHAT IS THE WORLD COMING TO!?!?!?!?!?



posted on Jan, 2 2011 @ 09:35 AM
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read the thread get yourself educated they may be doing it against your will but they are just doing what you are basically forcing their hands to do you refuse you get pricked with a needle after they get the warrant they are after from the judge on site at the time. So you can either give them a breath or they will take blood fairly easy decision if you ask me.



posted on Jan, 2 2011 @ 09:56 AM
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You guys should see the hoops you get people who want to visit your country to do it is a joke get a full background check finger printed and everything else this is why I will never visit your country ever. So the answer is simple if you don't like the laws that you agree to when you pay your rego get out of the car and walk to where you need to go.

Otherwise harden up and take it they go by the laws that you follow to get this done. I do agree what some have written here if there is a reason you feel they have been drinking pull them over probably not a bad idea. Unfortunately the cops can't be everywhere to stop the ones that are really drunk and kill people you may just know or love.

So for the sake of the time it stops at a set of traffic lights what is the big deal really unless you like to be man handled to give what they want to prove that you have been drinking and are over the limit just remember it isn't like they pull you over rip you out of the car and jab a needle in your arm it goes through the correct channels.

The problem with the old system is that if it took a couple of hours to get a judge to sign an order you will probably drop below the limit where there is a license suspension given and free to drive and do the same thing again maybe next time actually killing someone in the process.

I think seriously you have bigger fish to fry than worrying about a checkpoint you need to start worrying about the checkpoints you pass to go and fly on a plane. You get fully searched while the religion that actually carried out the apparent attacks get touched around the face and neck why don't you sort these things out first then move on to your next problem that being your government. All they want to do is rape you of everything that you earn and not doing what you the people want for your country. How does it feel to be hated by alot of the world you prop up defense and just annoy more people imagine what would happen if you lowered defense spending and spent that money to help out the American population rather than destroy.

I know this seems like a huge rant but hey in reality you need to start sorting out the bigger problems hey instead of a petty 5 sec stop for a bit of your breath.

Also the time you read this you would have gone through the checkpoint not long is it.
edit on 2-1-2011 by vkturbo because: added a reality check



posted on Jan, 2 2011 @ 11:44 AM
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I don't drink. My family is from Pennsylvania more recently, and Hungary before that. I am first generation Texan. So you have in me a non hillbilly, non drinker, non any other ad hominem that you used.

Checkpoints are horrible. They are atrocious. A tyranny perptrated against The People for the sake of political gain for the elected officials, and monetary gain for the city.

They have no right to ask me to stop without probable cause. THey do not reimburse me for my time. Why do you wish to impose tyranny on your fellow man? What gives you the right to suspend MY rights for your amusement?

You have no standing outside of tyrannical concept. If you want to make a different, stake out the bar parking lot. Focus on the people who were actually near alchohol. Leave me out of it...i don't drink. I am physically allergic.



posted on Jan, 2 2011 @ 12:09 PM
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This is good, drink driving can cost lives, those guilty deserve to be punished.

It's simple, if you drink, get a taxi.



posted on Jan, 2 2011 @ 12:15 PM
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yeah well done so when your house is being broken into or your car has been stolen you phone the cops and you get the message sorry but no one can come to you all the sqaud cars are busy you wont have that attitude it will be where were the cops when this happened or that happened. Well they were staying in the bar parking lots trying to get people for drink driving when it only take 6 or more cops depending on check point in one spot rather than having the whole force out trying to get them. Obviously you think your country has a heap of cash in it's budget to employ more cops too hey well i think your in a wonder land pal and hope you wake up from it.what is 5 seconds of your time worth? Could it be worth your life or someone elses who could be cleaned up by a drunk driver.

We have had them over here in Australia for years do you want to know how many times I have been pulled up at one in 14 years of driving? Well the answer is twice not a huge number is it as i said before in a previous post you have bigger problems than waiting the time it takes at a set of traffic lights to give a sample of breath.



posted on Jan, 2 2011 @ 12:26 PM
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I have been unfortunate to hit one of these money generating checkpoints in NY a few times. They do it under the guise of making sure we are being safe and wearing a seat belt, and have the right color sticker on our windshield. It was not fun at all sitting in traffic for over an hour. Luckily for me I never hit one on the way to somewhere like work, or trying to get to the hospital for an emergency.
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posted on Jan, 2 2011 @ 12:28 PM
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Originally posted by vkturbo
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yeah well done so when your house is being broken into or your car has been stolen you phone the cops and you get the message sorry but no one can come to you all the sqaud cars are busy you wont have that attitude it will be where were the cops when this happened or that happened. Well they were staying in the bar parking lots trying to get people for drink driving when it only take 6 or more cops depending on check point in one spot rather than having the whole force out trying to get them. Obviously you think your country has a heap of cash in it's budget to employ more cops too hey well i think your in a wonder land pal and hope you wake up from it.what is 5 seconds of your time worth? Could it be worth your life or someone elses who could be cleaned up by a drunk driver.

We have had them over here in Australia for years do you want to know how many times I have been pulled up at one in 14 years of driving? Well the answer is twice not a huge number is it as i said before in a previous post you have bigger problems than waiting the time it takes at a set of traffic lights to give a sample of breath.


When i said to stake out parking lots, i was kind of being facetious. Of course, that is where you catch the people and have some kind of probable cause.

In America we were founded on this concept called "liberty". Checkpoints are more fit for the Nazi's, not America.

If someone is breaking into my house, they have quite a painful death in store for themselves. I would not even call the police until i was also calling an ambulance. No worries about that. The term "fat" in my user name is also somewhat sarcastic. Yeah, i am fat. I am also a former powerlifting champion. Who LOVES the 2nd Amendment.
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posted on Jan, 2 2011 @ 12:31 PM
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Well you will never hit them on the way to work if they start doing it everyday yeah complain but if they do it like anything over here they are usually out on weekends at a certain time to another basically when most drunks would try and drive home.

The other time is on special holiday periods like christmas break easter and as you guys have thanksgiving and 4th july celebrations.

The real rort by government is speeding saying it is dangerous but usually it is always a mix of fatigue or drug drive or drink and drive very rarely unless it's a high speed chase is speed the single most cause



posted on Jan, 2 2011 @ 12:34 PM
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Here is a more practical solution. Pass a new law that states if you run an establishment that serves beer and liquor, you require people to check in their keys at the door. To get the keys back they have to pass a breathalizer test. That will help out, without impeding on everyone on the roads' rights. In more urban areas where there are busses running, hell even ban driving to the bar alltogether.
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posted on Jan, 2 2011 @ 12:41 PM
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well, taking keys at the door is no better of a solution.

But i see nothing at all wrong with creating zoning laws that don't allow bars to have parking lots.
Seems like an easy solution, right?



posted on Jan, 2 2011 @ 12:46 PM
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Yeah but because of your legal system over there it has an impact on ours over here so now the person who owns the bar or club has to look after you even more now how many people do you want to have power over you thought the government would be enough. Now if the owner fails to get their machine calibrated who is at fault how do you know they don't have a hip flask in their pocket and down a bit before they get in their car but after they got their keys back. I'm afraid the only ones who will win out of that solution are the lawyers and the smart asses that scam dollars for being idiots by drinking and driving.

The problem is because some people don't care and as always with both our societies the minority group gets the majority punished. I bet if there was a law that was passed that anyone affected by a drink driver gets whatever the family dishes out would be a suitable punishment more than someone else telling you how you should deal with a tragedy.

I'm sure not all families would be so generous as to not harm them but i would say after the news show or report what happens to them it would stop.

I'm sure the checkpoint things have just started and will need a bit more refining where they won't stop every car just a percentage sure some get through but a fair few get done. I noticed just down the road from me they had a booze bus your equivelant to a checkpoint that there were like 20 cars on the verge from new years so there are people still doing it unfortunately.



posted on Jan, 2 2011 @ 12:51 PM
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Are you sure you don't share the same amount of I.Q as your avatar there as that would have to be the most rediculous thing i have heard so once again the majority gets screwed by the minority I personally believe that when the majority of people agree they should publicly back it especially if there are minorities against it.

I know thats what has to start happening over here but people can't see anything over here as they believe everything will be great due to China they can't see who is attached to who and which way the dominoes will fall.



posted on Jan, 2 2011 @ 01:42 PM
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Just one more step towards a Police State. Florida seems to be leading the way with this 'movement'. TSA style searches at bus terminals, now this. Why don't people stand up, and fight back against The Man? The more people sit back, and allow others to control them, the easier it will be to implement the NWO! Grow some stones, and fight back!



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