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But I believe, this "Satan" might be the 'knowledge' giver, to us humanity by making eve eat the scared apple..
I'm fairly sure that clothing existed before modern humans did, so by the time of the invention of written language we were wearing clothing while beasts were not and we had NO idea why.
... they are like beasts ignorant of right and wrong,...
With all due respect God's first words to Adam in the Garden are a lie. He tells Adam the fruit will kill him and it does not.
Originally posted by eight bits
Satan doesn't appear in the story. A snake appears. He didn't make her doing anything. She reasoned her way to a deliberate choice.
Adam explains why he puts on clothing in the story. He's not alone with his wife anymore. "I heard you in the garden; but I was afraid, because I was naked, so I hid myself." Not shame. Fear.
Fear? Just because the toughest motherlover in the jungle has threatened to kill him? Dude's gonna do it, too, after mutilating an animal and sexually torturing Adam's wife. Adam is smart. Fear is the way to go here. I'd cover my orbs and scepter, too.
Both snake and God are being uncandid but telling partial truths, consonant partial truths. The Hebrew, I am told, is ambiguous (and so ambiguous for both, since snake and God say much the same thing). Even in translation, what God is said to say is usually well within the scope of the simplification typical of urgent command. Eating the fruit is a contributing causal factor to Adam's eventual death. Neither snake not God tells that striaght, each trimming it to fit their respective agendas.
Satan used the snake to deceive Eve into thinking that eating the fruit was to her benefit.
Eve wouldn't have eaten it if she knew that it would mean total anarchy on this planet together with receiving an imperfect body prone to disease and physical trauma AND an expiration date.
I'd say that the fear that you describe is more acking to the fear of a son who has dissapointed his father and is afraid to face him.
And at that time Adam and Eve litterally didn't know of death.
In this case eating the fruit was not merely a "contributing factor", instead it was the kindling to his death.
You can say that had Adam refrained from eating the fruit, he wouldn't have died at age 920something
Originally posted by Titen-Sxull
reply to post by saabacura
I've heard this sort of interpretation of the story before. This idea that good and evil are a sort of false dichotomy because of gray moral areas or merely because all things, in the end are, in a sense, ONE. Its an interesting idea but I doubt that the story was intended to sound that way. I would look closer at the Sumerian myths that the Genesis account borrowed from.
I do agree with the idea that Satan plays a sort of Promethean role here by giving forbidden knowledge to the mortals, its a fairly common theme in mythology that I think early man may have used to rationalize why they were smarter and more obsessed with morality than beasts. For instance clothing. I'm fairly sure that clothing existed before modern humans did, so by the time of the invention of written language we were wearing clothing while beasts were not and we had NO idea why. The story starts with Adam and Eve naked and without shame, they are like beasts ignorant of right and wrong, this seems to be the writers of the myth rationalizing why they saw such complex morality in humans but failed to notice it in other animals. Interestingly enough further study of many animals has revealed that they do have morals, although the ancients may not have noticed.edit on 30-12-2010 by Titen-Sxull because: (no reason given)
reply to post by freedish
He does not lie.
With all due respect God's first words to Adam in the Garden are a lie. He tells Adam the fruit will kill him and it does not. So either the author is lying and putting words into God's mouth that he did not say or God is lying, take your pick.edit on 30-12-2010 by Titen-Sxull because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Mayura
Oh my.. Who knew so many Christians contaminated ATS.. Lol they will soon meet their savior.
Yes, I said their God will show up... after all, they have to come collect their herd soon...
I used to follow Satan. Knew him personally, even worshiped him. Taught me metaphysics.
THEN... I realized that these 'Gods' are all members of the nefarious Nordic ET race. These are the higher echelons of the dark empire that has shrouded Earth in chaos. They energetically leech off humanity, especially religious groups and zealots, even gurus. If you go high up enough on the chain, you find these 'Gods'.
So, get out of the trees and see the forest as a whole.
I also recommend seeking within. Get to know yourself and find balance...
With all due respect God's first words to Adam in the Garden are a lie. He tells Adam the fruit will kill him and it does not. So either the author is lying and putting words into God's mouth that he did not say or God is lying, take your pick.
Adam immediately died spiritually