WHY IS 911 FAKE! Tell us what you think and add to it!

reply to post by samkent


Dude, did you even read the rest of the website you linked me to? You linked me to a truther site wannabe. The only difference is they don't link the events.

Conveniently and most unfortunately, the events of 9/11 did the following:
* Killed almost 3,000 unsuspecting people, destroyed the health of others.
* Created fear and insecurity in the American population.
* Helped the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey to relinquish their money-losing property.
* Created vacant prime acreage for potential new money-making buildings.
* Financially benefited Larry Silverstein.
* Blanketed New York City with hazardous pollutants, creating prevalent health concerns without accountability or liability.
* Re-enforced the Neocon claim of Islamo Fascist terrorism.
* Created the “New Pearl Harbor” event that the Neocons suggested in 1998.
* Produced a war environment – precipitated misdirected retaliation for 9/11.
* No-bid contracts were given to Halliburton and other well-connected big business.
* Established a dictatorship in America.
* Made Bush a wartime Commander-in-Chief, increasing his executive power.
* Provided justification for a perpetual, arbitrary “war of terror.”
* Supplied an opportunity to seize the oil pipeline in Afghanistan.
* Justified an Iraqi invasion and the toppling of the non-compliant Saddam Hussein.
* Enslaved Americans with Homeland Security, the Patriot Act, etc.
* Primed Americans to give up their freedoms in exchange for security.
* Supplies an example of just how serious the Illuminati are about globalism.
* Provides United States protection to Israel from neighboring countries.

Deanna Spingola -- Killing Several Bird...

It say's over 200 million and that was in 1991. We are talking 10 years later.

reply to post by samkent

As if we were set up (mentally/structurally) to shoot down civilian airlines. We have trouble executing prisoners and you think they would casually issue orders to shoot down the second plane?

That's what I mean, about how you do not realize how fake 911 is.
Let's say for the sake of argument that the plane looked like a normal civilian airliner, if no one wanted to shoot it down, there should have at least been a fighter escorting it.
The reality is darker than that, and it was not an ordinary airliner, having no numbers, lettering, or airline company logo. That in itself should have been enough to rouse suspicion, and an escort plane could have pulled up beside it and looked to see if there were any passengers, or even a pilot, then the reluctance to shoot should have gone away, replaced by a desire to take it down.

reply to post by TheLieWeLive
Deanna Spingola is the best.
She used to come on Dr. Deagle's show and now she has her own.
She had these guys on the other day from a 911 conspiracy web site
saying that tower two was practically empty. Very interesting theory.

reply to post by TheLieWeLive

He is the first one who openly was awarded for this tragedy ... He just happened to have insurance taken out on the three buildings that fell on 9/11 just a couple months before .

That was from your first post . The following is from your second post :

The terror insurance would only have been a smart thing to have since the 93 attack. Kinda like having flood insurance in a flood plain. What is your point?

By your first post , you seem to imply that by having insurance on the real estate , Silverstein is somehow automatically a suspect in some conspiracy . Then , your second post implies that having insurance on the property was a no-brainer ("smart thing to have") , since the property had already once been a target .

What is YOUR point ? What is it you are trying to say ?

Do you actually find it strange or suspicious that his creditors would have required him to obtain terrorism-related insurance , before loaning him all that money to procure the 99-year lease ? Sounds like nothing more than safe business practices to me .

Have none of your creditors ever stipulated that you purchase insurance for a vehicle that they were loaning you the money to buy ? That's odd .

And , just for clarity ,

He just happened to have insurance taken out on the three buildings ... just a couple months before .

of course it was only a few months (actually weeks , not months) prior to the attack when he took out the insurance . BECAUSE , it was only a few weeks prior to the attack , that Silverstein acquired the lease .

That kind of changes the perspective just a bit , doesn't it ? He purchased the lease just a few weeks prior , and purchased insurance within the same time frame . WOW , doesn't appear to be so suspicious , now that the WHOLE truth about the matter is known , does it ?

You , and others , would love to continue un-checked in this BS that you are perpetuating . You try to portray it as though he only bought the insurance because he had inside knowledge of the impending attacks , while deliberately omitting that tiny little detail about him purchasing the lease about the same time he purchased the insurance . You want to liken it to someone who all of a sudden takes out insurance on a vehicle they have owned for years , only to have the vehicle catch fire and burn to toast a few weeks later .

Your conspiracy crayons are only effective when you are peddling your dishonest diatribe to the less-informed and gullible .

And then you people feign bewilderment at how so many of us find you utterly contemptuous .

reply to post by TheLieWeLive

To coincidental for him to have bought into 3 building that happened to need millions perhaps billions in asbestos abatement.

Geezus , you people never cease to amaze me . That one sentence right there tells me all I need to know , as concerns how uneducated you are about the WTC .

reply to post by okbmd


You don't even know me but you automatically want to berate my intelligence about WTC.

Read everything again please. The terror insurance was there before Larry Silverstein even leased the building. It had to have it because of the 93 bombing, I don't argue this. You could have saved yourself a lot of typing if you just read more than what I posted.

In fact no matter what I point out you still won't get it so why bother? You jump from 911 post to post looking to try and disprove the obvious. How many people have you attacked this week that is a 911 truther? Don't lie.

If you really want to shut your eyes go ahead it's not bothering me any.

reply to post by TheLieWeLive

The terror insurance was there before Larry Silverstein even leased the building. It had to have it because of the 93 bombing, I don't argue this.

Okay Einstein , then explain why you said this :

He just happened to have insurance taken out on the three buildings that fell on 9/11 just a couple months before .

Which one is it genius ? You can't have it both ways .

No , you got called on this one , so don't even pretend that it was a misunderstanding on my part .

You sir , are either suffering from short-term-memory-loss , or you realize that the gig is up and you have been owned , and now you are trying to save face by implying that I am the stupid one here .

You said it . Man up and admit you are wrong . How are you going to deny saying it , when it is right there in your post , for all the world to see ?

That's the lamest back-pedalling I've seen in awhile .

Originally posted by samkent
This is a perfect example of someone who has done ZERO research.

1 Four black boxes were recovered in total. None from the twin towers.
3 Plane parts are all over the place. Just look for the pictures.
4 The hole is the exact size of the fuselage. Just as you would expect. Google search for “straw through potato”.
5 Even non government people saw pieces of airplane.
7 Larry Silverstein is not required to rebuild. Are you required to buy a new car when yours is totaled? Imagine the public outcry if he had tried to rebuild.
8 Blown Up? Zero proof.
9 Bombings? Zero proof.

It may not be actual evidence that there were bombs there, but both fire fighters and police officers reported hearing several bombs going off minutes after the crash had taken place.

reply to post by okbmd


There where two insurance policies genius. Do some reading before you put your fingers to the keyboard. Go ahead and respond, It's a New Year and my resolution is to ignore all the idiots. You will be my first.

I've done what I came here to do, give the O.P. something to put into his or her video. None of this was to convince you of a thing. You strike me as the kind that would argue anything because you get a kick off of it. It's not because you know anything, that's obvious.

O.P. this link is for you. Okbmd can't wrap his mind around it.

Silverstein Makes a Huge Profit off of the...

reply to post by jmdewey60


I had never heard of Dr. Deanne Spingola before this post. She is another one that gets it. More and more people are coming around and seeing the bigger picture and with people like Spingola it's easier for them to accept it. How can you argue with the facts? Well, some people can.

So you think Silverstein is making a huge profit just because he was paid 7.1 billion?
Just because he had a purchase price of 3.2 billion doesn’t mean he was out only 3.2

Did he have replacement cost insurance?

What would it have cost to clean up and rebuild?

How much rent would he have lost during the rebuilding time?

Think of it in terms of your $200K house. You have to pay to clean up. Then you have to pay to rebuild. Plus you have to pay rent on some apartment in the meantime. $200K won’t cover it.

9/11 is fake - however only in context. A context that was shaped by various interests with singular goals. I also think they shaped this context unknowingly in some cases and others only exploited the outcome.

If you look at the various terrorist "busts" throughout the world in the past 10 years they have many common features:
- young "jihadists"
- half-baked plans (in most cases)
- an "informant" and typically the terrorist or group has been watched for some time - possibly months
- the plan is stopped in middle or final stages
- if in the "final" stage then the device being used is fake or inoperative in some way
Why would you investigate terrorist ops in this way? To gain intelligence: let them go as far they can go in order to see who is at the top and stop them.

Now if you look at 9/11 through this lens and now put it in this context EXCEPT that you screw up the intelligence (as they have admitted) - say you lose track of the operation due to bureaucracy or the inside person gives you a pile of BS about the date or that today's (Sept 11th, 2001) trip is just a "dry run" as you have done in the past (remember James Woods making a report during the summer about some suspicious behavior on a flight from or to LA?).

Remember the famous video of Bush looking "confused" after being told that planes have hit the WTC buildings? Watch that video now with the context of someone who feels they have been screwed or knows someone else has screwed up royally. Have you ever had to rely on someone when occupying a position of authority and they let you down? I think this is the look on your face when they let you down...

To summerize: I think 9/11 was an intelligence failure, the CIA/FBI/NSA really messed this up an investigation on a grand scale (I mean look at how much they knew about the comings and goings of these guys, the training, etc.), the US sucked up to the Saudi's because the Saudi's may think the US might be trying to make them look bad or bring public opinion against the regime (so Bush had to really turn on the "diplomacy" and show extreme public support), Iraq was one of the singular goals exploited in all of this and there was advanced knowlege of this "operation" but it was thought to be under control (just like the others that have been dismantled throughout the past 10 years).

Now, was this intelligence failure done on purpose? Dunno. However, I think this is the extent of the conspiracy - no real grand design - just people playing their various parts. I think only the outcome has been manipulated in order to keep people's belief suspended in fragmentation because if it came out that the government had failed and played a game too far out of control...."one truth" would surely be worse for the US government and its allies in power.

Listening to Jesse Ventura's tapes it was mentioned one of the fire crew interviewed actually saw one of the black boxes at Ground Zero and later heard all 4 black boxes were found but the public were informed none were found. I believe those black boxes were indeed found; how could they had not?

It was also suggested that the pilots who flew the planes in to the WTC were already in the cockpit before the aircrafts ever left the tarmark of the airports they originated from. If this is true than I can only suggest listening to Jesse Ventura's other conspiracy documentary of the Manchurian Candidates. Is it possible the pilots were manchurians?

Silverstein's investment of the WTC was $15M in Spring of 2001. He sued his insurers and won $7B then went on to sue the airlines and won $2.8B after demanding $16.2B. Approximately 260 Jews died in the WTCs on 9/11; so to say no Jews died on that day are misleading and false.

Over 300 families of victims of 9/11 are also seeking answers and the list is growing daily.

reply to post by 10yeartheory


If and only IF 9/11 was an inside job I strongly doubt George Bush Jnr had any prior knowledge before the fact, in fact I think alot of those around him had no prior knowledge.

reply to post by bluemirage5

Is it possible the pilots were manchurians?

First, we would need serial numbers from parts from the crashed
planes to show they were in fact the United and American flights
they are supposed to be, before we start thinking about there
being any pilots.
If the planes were something else, which the evidence would
indicate, there is no connection to any hijacking, and no need
for Arab terrorists. Which again, the evidence indicates are
still alive and well, in Arab countries.

reply to post by bluemirage5
Oh is that why he was in Florida when the crashes happened and his
brother, Jeb had already declared martial law before the event?
Obviously there was prior knowledge.
I should repeat my story, here, which is I was living in Sarasota
County, Florida, on 911 and watched the second WTC crash,
live on my tv, which apparently they had funneled over for
them to watch while visiting the Sarasota elementary school.

reply to post by bluemirage5


I agree. While I really don't think it was inside job - I think there was intelligence to indicate there was an operation planned (as there are pretty much all the time) and it was being monitored. Hence, the warning through the summer about flying commercially passed on to various government big-wigs (June 2001, I think). One of the many warnings passed on from various intelligence agencies during the summer. I think it was a classic: "we got this under control, thanks." And unfortunately for all involved it wasn't. I do wonder if the '20th hijacker" was a CI working for the government (something along those lines) because that is another unsolved mystery if you read up on it. In end I believe the conspiracy sits in the half-truths concluded by the commission and arm-chair theorists such as myself.

A small number of people knew something was planned, they screwed up and are only hiding the real truth in half explanations. I think it is as it appears and the story they told us - just not the "full" story; extrapolating their explanation because it would reveal an immence screw up on their part and shake any confidence of an already insecure regime (Bush and Co.) since they were already in it pretty deep in terms of popularity and power - he was already termed as a "lame-duck" President. The aftermath was only to exploit the situation as best as they could given the circumstance.

reply to post by 10yeartheory

To summerize: I think 9/11 was an intelligence failure, the CIA/FBI/NSA really messed this up an investigation on a grand scale

First , welcome to ATS . Second , excellent post . Your thoughts mirror mine as concerns 9/11 being an intelligence failure on a grand scale . Of course there was advance knowledge that something was 'in the mix' . And , like you , I believe the intell agencies were following this operation and in the end , the perps got one over on those who thought they were 'on top of things' .

You are correct , the intells will let an operation mature , to see how far it will take them , which could very well be the case for 9/11 . They were played , in the worst sense of the word . Intell had been focused on some of these guys for awhile . It is my belief that they were letting it advance , in order to hopefully get a lead on the 'bigger fish' .

The intell agencies were bickering and squabbling with each other , and internally . Everyone was wanting to be the one who got the big bust , and wound up being outsmarted by the terrorists . This is why they all started covering each others rear-ends and proclaiming there was no advance knowledge that would have indicated an attack was imminent . You can't allow one guy , or one department , to admit advance intell , otherwise the snowball effect would come into play .

I honestly believe there are those that need to be brought to justice for failing to deter 9/11 . However , I do not believe it was an "inside-job" , nor do I believe that it was "allowed" to happen intentionally .

I believe the intell was there , and that it wasn't acted upon . It could be like you say , the intells were "working" the operation , in other words , letting it advance as far as possible , before shutting it down , in an attempt to obtain enough intell to shut down the major players . And this wound up biting them in the butt. And of course , NO ONE is going to admit to this , although everything indicates this was the case .

I'll say it again , research this line of reasoning , and there , is where the real conspiracy and cover-up will be found .

Liked the comment about the look on GWB's face also , and I agree .

Again , welcome . Hope to see you in the 9/11 threads . Rational minds and logical thinking are scarce , most of the time , when it comes to this topic .

Originally posted by TheLieWeLive
reply to post by okbmd

 

You don't even know me but you automatically want to berate my intelligence about WTC.

Read everything again please. The terror insurance was there before Larry Silverstein even leased the building. It had to have it because of the 93 bombing, I don't argue this. You could have saved yourself a lot of typing if you just read more than what I posted.

In fact no matter what I point out you still won't get it so why bother? You jump from 911 post to post looking to try and disprove the obvious. How many people have you attacked this week that is a 911 truther? Don't lie.

If you really want to shut your eyes go ahead it's not bothering me any.

You tell him to read everything again

Read everything again please.

Then you tell him he could have saved himself allot of typing

You could have saved yourself a lot of typing if you just read more than what I posted.

.. Should he read more or research it himself?

Sounds like he did research it.. The insurance was purchased or at least transferred roughly around the time of the land purchase. Where is the conspiracy?

reply to post by jmdewey60


No one had declared martial law in Florida. Thats an out and out lie.