"Internet a very large-scale spying machine" – info leaking site co-founder

reply to post by MikeboydUS
and yet I say it again,.
so what,.
unless you hold a close attachment to the superficial life that is the internet,.
why does it really matter

This surprises me no way-- no how.

Fears confirmed.

Originally posted by Lil Drummerboy
reply to post by MikeboydUS

 

and yet I say it again,.
so what,.
unless you hold a close attachment to the superficial life that is the internet,.
why does it really matter

I wholeheartedly agree with you. It only matters to those who think they need the Web. The problem is most of human civilization at this point is currently superficial.

Like the Animal Farm analogy, most people are more or less domesticated humans. They have close attachment to superficial things. It matters to them.

It also matters to the shepherds. The Web makes it easier keep track of the herd. It matters to their hounds to keep watch over the herd.

It matters to the wolves who prey upon the sheep, who use the Web to hunt them.

The snakes in the grass could care less.

Originally posted by ladyinwaiting
This surprises me no way-- no how.

Fears confirmed.

Yeah… Sadly it appears that all the fears about the ‘knight in shining armor’ (Julian Assange) was probably all wrong.

sorrow for the sheep may be cast from few,.
there are may of them,. the followers,.

I asked my mother one day , why she doesnt have internet,.
she replied " Why, what am I really missing".

Originally posted by Misoir
more credibility to the ‘WikiLeaks is a scam’ crowd

i'd like to profile the "wikileak is our hero" crowd; not doubting on this case seem very sheeple like behaviour to me;

it's our duty as truth seeker to doubt everything

There are a few of us alive who can still remember what life was like before the internet, before computers in every home, before cell phones and wi-fi and Facebooks and Twitters and Ipads and all of this other pointless, man made, frivilous crap.



It was actually a pretty nice place to live.


And to the whole "there is no anonymity on the internet"....yeah....no kidding.

reply to post by Lil Drummerboy
They also know whatever you entered into your search engine. Every single word.

Every.

Single.

Word.

You get me?

And, they will use that against you someday if you step out of line... Unless like a boss, you just don't care

Besides I never believed the internet was anonymous. How can you be anonymous if you have an IP address? Never mind proxies but the other 99.99% don't worry about proxies... They aren't anonymous.

Originally posted by Misoir

“In terms of their being able to see everything that we are doing, we know that we cannot keep any secrets about our site and we tell our readers, ‘You should not expect us to protect you, because we are being watched and every other site is being watched, just like WikiLeaks is being watched,’” he said. “There’s no secrecy on the Internet – that’s the lesson we’ve learned and we are now trying to spread that.”

“They [the security services] use our site to see what’s going on and that’s something that we’ve learned about sites like ours. They are left in place in order to watch who comes there and see what kind of information we’ve put up,” John Young added. “The reason we haven’t been shut down is that we are useful to them to see what kind of attention is paid to this material. We think they actually feed us material to put up as they are feeding information to WikiLeaks and many other sites that operate the same way.”

(Emphasis Added by me)

This is a stunning revelation, 90% of us on ATS know that the internet does not give any of us an ounce of privacy and many of us are presumably already being monitored right now as you are reading this. But for a leading professional ‘leaker’ to announce that ‘they’ are monitoring whoever visits those sites on the internet and actually keeps them sites up and provides them material just so they can lure more viewers, is stunning.

Maybe I am just late to the party on this one but I never thought of it this way. WikiLeaks could definitely be used as a way to root out those particular individuals that are of special interest to tptb. Just remember this every time you visit one of those sites.

This definitely gives more credibility to the ‘WikiLeaks is a scam’ crowd.

rt.com
(visit the link for the full news article)

edit on 12/29/2010 by Misoir because: changed "gives me credibility" to "gives more credibility"... Chill out on the ego-trip.

It makes me feel as if I am in a movie or something ooh how surreal and infamous life can be.

reply to post by star in a jar

Yep,.
but I have no worries,.
I am not running for mayor
not looking to be a police man
and dont have a criminal record,.
honestly, if it got real hairy,. I'd be off grid in no time.
I have no issues leaving this net behind

reply to post by seridium

It makes me feel as if I am in a movie or something ooh how surreal and infamous life can be.

Many years ago I saw a documentary on newsworld, CBC Canada, I believe and it touched upon the topic of the shadow government, and an commentator remarked that somewhere was a 'playbook', literally, that the shadow government was using during the events of the world... planned playbook.

Wikileaks needs to release the password, because it's starting to seem like a honeypot operation or some sort of indirect controlled opposition weapon like for example: Wouldn't saying that the Saudis wanted to take down Iran cause some... tension right? So, who benefits most from this tension... The US and Israel.

Also... there's the chess move of attempting to control the internet over the contents of these leaks, which may seem startling or factual to the uninformed but has a different effect on the average conspiracy theorist, who may doubt its sincerity or facts.

It DOES seem like a movie and It MAY just be. A movie from a playbook possibly centuries old.

It just shows that they have control over the whole internet which is not surprising at all.
They like to act like they don't iam sure.....maybe

Originally posted by Lil Drummerboy
sorrow for the sheep may be cast from few,.
there are may of them,.

...and humor for the informed and enlightened as they observe the partial awakening of the sheep, mixed with frustration in the utter futility of attempting to expose the actual depth of this rabbit hole.

reply to post by BlackOps719


before the internet ? you mean that word where everybody get brainwashed 5 to 6 hours a day by a cube with images and sounds inside with no choice nor interactivity whatsoever ?

no thanks !

give me back internet and delete your facebook account, or go back further in time

I personally had not heard of Cryptome.org before. Its only after Wikileaks started releasing its war material that recently that I began hearing about them. They could not have released anything of any note to fly totally under my radar.

I believe the reason for this to be that Cryptome are actually an FBI front. Think about it that big scarey statement about "forces watching you" is actually designed to put you off of reading wikileaks. Who in their right mind running an internet bussiness would actually say that knowing that would put people off from reading its own site??

Total desperation tactics that proves to me that wikileaks is the real deal.

reply to post by Misoir


thanks for bringing more of the obvious into a brighter light. i've had my doubts about WL and i still do but i am not convinced the complete operation is master-mined by one single entity (CIA, FBI, HSD, Soros or whichever). Kudos to the OP for sharing.

those that goes with internet is useless blahblah shall not throw away the baby with the water of the bath;

if you have been too brainwashed to have no use of the web beside facebook and online shopping it is not because of the essence of the web it is because you belong to the sheeple.

now just delete your god damned bigbrother useless facebook account and give back the chance to the word WILD web to help building an interdependent, conscious and advanced society;

without wWw we don't stand a chance against ptb.

Eventually supercomputers will be able to monitor ever aspect of the web unless you encrypt your data flow. Make friends with friendly hackers because they ARE the only protectors of privacy in this new world of ours. I think ATS needs a forum dedicated to internet security and privacy.

Originally posted by BlackOps719
There are a few of us alive who can still remember what life was like before the internet, before computers in every home, before cell phones and wi-fi and Facebooks and Twitters and Ipads and all of this other pointless, man made, frivilous crap.



It was actually a pretty nice place to live.

Salute, star and high-five.

I agree...it was a wonderful place...

Not that the internet hasn't helped in many areas of my personal life...but really, it has changed the entire planet, and for most people I encounter- for the worse...in my humblest of "possibly wrong" opinions.

MM

Originally posted by XmikaX

without wWw we don't stand a chance against ptb.

I also agree with this statement here.

Sadly, we first need to take it away from the elite, since they single handedly control/monitor and guide it.

I find it very scary when skriptkids and forum-folks think the internet is free and an open range for freedom.That is currently the farthest thing from the truth.

If we can "own it", we can possibly save this entire race of apes...if we can't, well, it will continue to destroy us individually, one by one, as it seems to be doing with great speed.


Again, IMHO...

MM