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"Internet a very large-scale spying machine" – info leaking site co-founder

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posted on Dec, 29 2010 @ 08:12 PM
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"Internet a very large-scale spying machine" – info leaking site co-founder


rt.com

Cryptome.org was publishing classified and secret documents long before WikiLeaks made headlines. Cryptome co-founder John Young told RT such sites are allowed to stay online so that spy services might keep an eye on their visitors.

There is no secrecy on the Internet, John Young warned.
(visit the link for the full news article)




posted on Dec, 29 2010 @ 08:12 PM
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“In terms of their being able to see everything that we are doing, we know that we cannot keep any secrets about our site and we tell our readers, ‘You should not expect us to protect you, because we are being watched and every other site is being watched, just like WikiLeaks is being watched,’” he said. “There’s no secrecy on the Internet – that’s the lesson we’ve learned and we are now trying to spread that.”

“They [the security services] use our site to see what’s going on and that’s something that we’ve learned about sites like ours. They are left in place in order to watch who comes there and see what kind of information we’ve put up,” John Young added. “The reason we haven’t been shut down is that we are useful to them to see what kind of attention is paid to this material. We think they actually feed us material to put up as they are feeding information to WikiLeaks and many other sites that operate the same way.


(Emphasis Added by me)

This is a stunning revelation, 90% of us on ATS know that the internet does not give any of us an ounce of privacy and many of us are presumably already being monitored right now as you are reading this. But for a leading professional ‘leaker’ to announce that ‘they’ are monitoring whoever visits those sites on the internet and actually keeps them sites up and provides them material just so they can lure more viewers, is stunning.

Maybe I am just late to the party on this one but I never thought of it this way. WikiLeaks could definitely be used as a way to root out those particular individuals that are of special interest to tptb. Just remember this every time you visit one of those sites.

This definitely gives more credibility to the ‘WikiLeaks is a scam’ crowd.

rt.com
(visit the link for the full news article)
edit on 12/29/2010 by Misoir because: changed "gives me credibility" to "gives more credibility"... Chill out on the ego-trip.




posted on Dec, 29 2010 @ 08:21 PM
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And its getting to be quite a crowd too as we never seem to actually find any real meat in whats comming down the pipeline.I see no reason to doubt the intel services have all sorts of little scams going.
Everyone here i believe has seen the road ahead getting narrower.The restrictions tightenuing in all directions...as the threaad says just about everything is illegal in America now....
They would be remiss indeed if they did not scan the gamut of the sites.



posted on Dec, 29 2010 @ 08:25 PM
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The internet is a spying apparatus in the same way a camera or notepad is, a form you fill out at the doctor, a bank receipt left on a bench.



posted on Dec, 29 2010 @ 08:26 PM
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Especially all the included webcams on laptops as standard I figured this much, but who knows? They need to put whatever firmware they use for that out and maybe it will be more easily proven in my opinion







www.myspace.com...



posted on Dec, 29 2010 @ 08:29 PM
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I personally know that there is some kind of "filter" used by the homeland team. I have a theory on how you can test it, just like I did.
I also believe that ATS has been invaded by such entities.



posted on Dec, 29 2010 @ 08:36 PM
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Originally posted by Misoir



There is no secrecy on the Internet, John Young warned.




Wrong, methods have changed and the internet has become a very effective tool for secret communications, data and file sharing. Which is done right in plain sight. Coded messages, encrypted and embedded messages in streaming media, digital compressed images and just about any type of "normal" file extensions... All usually posted on or in social networks and discussion boards, some with high volume traffic... Safety and anonymity in numbers. Those who will exploit the internet in this way may have the sender, or poster tracked, but the intended recipients of the content are impossible to track or locate among thousands of potential users/visitors and down-loaders. And this is assuming that the best of the best in the alphabets can identify, locate and decode a small percentage of this kind of "secret" content.

It is everywhere that is anywhere on the net, including porn!

Will be a future cause for stricter internet security, or "cyber security" among other things.


edit on 29-12-2010 by Fractured.Facade because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 29 2010 @ 08:39 PM
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Another way to look at it is that all the click through on web sites is just a huge voting machine.
Surely the PTB will be offering up flavors of "popular" interest for their agendas. You can cloth a NWO agenda any number of different ways, even the big super pharmacies are offering to flavor your medicine.



posted on Dec, 29 2010 @ 08:43 PM
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I think it is meant for the average user.



posted on Dec, 29 2010 @ 08:46 PM
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Star and flag, and a salute.

We know where I stand on the whole Wikileak's phenomena and its unexplained/magical immunity to all nation's authorities and agencies around the world.

MM



posted on Dec, 29 2010 @ 08:50 PM
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Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
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I think it is meant for the average user.


That is exactly who this will affect most in the future.

I know what you meant.


The average internet user should never have any assumption of privacy online, it simply does not exist... That said, my post shows how even that lack of anonymity can be and is being exploited.

There are ways around everything, as long as the internet remains in its current form, and that is the problem... Why there will be changes that will bring about strict control over content on the net. The average user will see it as an assault on their personal freedom, the government will see it as necessary for national security.

Just a preview of what's next... and why.




posted on Dec, 29 2010 @ 08:51 PM
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CHEERS for cryptome and Misor it seems as SOMEONE
out their is still trying to post useful and truthful knowledge.

The whole wiki leak situation seemed suspicious to me since the beginning.

There is no way in a cold hell EVER
that if the government wanted wikileaks and every other
site like it shut down that they wouldn't/couldn't do it.

The very same reason/awareness that cryptome is raising
is that there is no way of hiding who really gives you the
information that has been published.

Bradly Manning has
LEARNT THAT TO HIS DISMAY AT THE IRON FIST OF WIKILEAKS!!

Wiki leaks has sold Manning DOWN THE DRAIN!!

Wikileaks and Assange used Manning as a pawn!

At least cryptome is not spouting that
YOU'LL BE JUST FINE JUST GIVE US WHAT YOU GOT!

The wikileaks (we got your back) motto is for sure a big stinker!!!!!

BIG S AND F for you op!! S AND F!!!!
edit on 29-12-2010 by thecinic because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 29 2010 @ 09:02 PM
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To the OP,.. Oh REALLY,.
You mean "they" see everything I write.
all my personal info?
financial background?
So?
that part of life is so superficial,. only materialistic people
care about those things,.
edit on 29-12-2010 by Lil Drummerboy because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 29 2010 @ 09:15 PM
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This is one of the very most important stories on this entire website. There is more truth in that story than probably anything else on this site.

It should be for the entire world wide web as well, but people are too busy playing farmtown or is it Animal Farm.



posted on Dec, 29 2010 @ 09:20 PM
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Originally posted by MikeboydUS
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This is one of the very most important stories on this entire website. There is more truth in that story than probably anything else on this site.

It should be for the entire world wide web as well, but people are too busy playing farmtown or is it Animal Farm.


Please explain why this is so important.
and do you consider most of the users of animal IQ



posted on Dec, 29 2010 @ 09:25 PM
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Originally posted by thecinic

The whole wiki leak situation seemed suspicious to me since the beginning.



Yeah, me too... www.abovetopsecret.com...

That is when I began seeking alternative ways of sharing info, files and communications without revealing the identities of recipients. I discovered things in that process that shocked me, an underworld that uses the net this way... Some pretty scary stuff out there.

Maybe even here?


edit on 29-12-2010 by Fractured.Facade because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 29 2010 @ 09:37 PM
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Its very simple.

There isn't any secrecy or security on the World Wide Web for average people.

Anything an average person says or does online can be monitored and recorded.

Social networks, blogs, and forums make the process easier.

Average person meaning most people who casually use the web.



posted on Dec, 29 2010 @ 09:40 PM
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You know that whole Julian Assange bookdeal?

He said he was going to use the money on ONLY HIS LAWYERS!!

Forget about Manning WHO IS IN PRISON for giving Assange the information
that has now made HIM MILLIONS

WHERE IS ASSANGE NOW?

Surely not out to HELP BRADLY MANNING!

NO Julian Assange is going to use all that money on himself

You know what wikileaks tells manning?

SCREW YOU BRADLY MANNING we got what we wanted out of you!!
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH



posted on Dec, 29 2010 @ 09:44 PM
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If wikileaks becomes a scam, i'm gonna just give up on any information future past present, that i don't actually experience. But i do know that 90% of internet/anything is a scam, especially if it involves money.



posted on Dec, 29 2010 @ 09:53 PM
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Originally posted by Anttyk47
If wikileaks becomes a scam, i'm gonna just give up on any information future past present, that i don't actually experience. But i do know that 90% of internet/anything is a scam, especially if it involves money.


You really can't even trust those subjective experiences either.

If you really think about it you can't trust anything, even your own faculties.

Heck, don't even take my word for it. I wouldn't trust me.



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