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This is "bad": 5month swedish healthcare wait costs man his :"jimmy"

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posted on Dec, 29 2010 @ 07:24 PM
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Free socialized healthcare?
This is what happens when you have to wait 5months for an appointment.
You go around "friendless" the rest of your life...


The man, who is in his sixties, first visited a local clinic in Blekinge in southern Sweden in September 2009 for treatment of a urinary tract infection, the local Blekinge Läns Tidning (BLT) reported.

When he returned in March 2010 complaining of foreskin irritation, the doctor on duty at the time diagnosed the problem as a simple case of inflammation.

After three weeks passed without the prescribed treatment alleviating the man’s condition, he was instructed to seek further treatment at Blekinge Hospital.

But it took five months before he was able to schedule an appointment at the hospital.

When he finally met with doctors at the hospital, the man was informed he had cancer and his penis would have to be removed.


In all fairness it goes on to say:


It remains unclear if the man would have been able to keep his penis had the cancer been detected sooner
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www.thelocal.se...
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posted on Dec, 29 2010 @ 07:27 PM
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This has nothing to do with socialized medicine.

The doctor misdiagnosed the issue.

This is a case of some tard focused on something other than the task he was trained to perform.

Probably on his iPhone, reading about celebrity romps while he booked his next vacation.



posted on Dec, 29 2010 @ 07:36 PM
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Expect much longer wait times and fewer doctors. especially "specialists" as the goobermint chooses to discourage "specialists"and pay all doctors the same.

edit on 29-12-2010 by 46ACE because: unfunny tacky "penis in a jar" joke deleted..




posted on Dec, 29 2010 @ 07:49 PM
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Unfortunately at the end of the day it's up to people to attempt to tackle their health problems... IE completely cutting off cigarettes, doing detox, going for that long everyday walk and not depend on some doctor who may or may not have the patients' best interests at heart.

This guy had a urinary tract infection... Did he try to tackle this problem like the cavemen of old, or did he think that doctors would cure him? If he thought the latter... Bad mistake, dude.

I did an internet search, and I know it's not the best place for medical advice but I found urinary tract infection treatments using baking soda or cranberry juice, or plain old water.

People need to realize that the real doctor is the person who actually fixes their imperfections or injuries up, and not the family doctor who, in my experience, are next to useless, and that the 'prevention' part of health care begins with them.



posted on Dec, 29 2010 @ 08:19 PM
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So, what you are SAYING is that a DOCTOR in a SOCIALIZED medical sytem, made a bad diagnosis, therefore it had NOTHING to do with the SOCIALIZED medicine.

Just trying to breakdown the cognitive dissonance.



posted on Dec, 29 2010 @ 08:34 PM
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It can take at least a month at times for me to get an appointment to see my family doctor now! If I have an emergency, they tell me to go to the hospital emergency room. Socialized health care or private health care you still have to wait. George Castanza said it best, "first you wait in the large waiting room and than they put you in the small waiting room!"
...and than the doctor comes in and acts like he's going to a fire and diagnoses you while he's exiting out the door.



posted on Dec, 29 2010 @ 08:40 PM
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Firstly this is about a Doctor misdiagnosing someone something that happens in both private and public medical care

Secondly During this time the man had exactly the same right as anyone else to seek private medical care if he wanted to and could afford it, just like in the US.
Private hospitals / doctors do not some how disappear because you have a health service that treats people that can't afford them.



posted on Dec, 29 2010 @ 08:41 PM
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Doctors make even more terrifying mis-diagnoses all the time under a capitalist system.

Whats your point?

Unless theres some sort of evidence that there was a major F-Up from the doctor, I don't think it's even the doctors fault. He went with what he had, but symptoms are usually pretty damn vague. The man was treated for a UTI and didn't come back for 3 Months.. That would signal to me, the problem went away.

It would be pretty stupid if you said "Doc, I got this mild headache" and he said "Well lets get you an MRI to make sure there's no brain cancer!"



posted on Dec, 29 2010 @ 08:51 PM
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My point was saying that it was not caused by the system, was kind of a misrepresentation of the facts.

Correlative instead of causal basically.

What you presented did not in anyway dispute that it was not caused by the system.

That is all.



posted on Dec, 29 2010 @ 08:57 PM
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off-topic post removed to prevent thread-drift


 



posted on Dec, 29 2010 @ 08:58 PM
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I find it amusing that all the fear and hate threads about health care are never made from people in countries that have it. Its always from Americans who have never had socialized healthcare.

I have never had socialized medicine but have friends who have in Canada and they never say bad things.



posted on Dec, 29 2010 @ 09:01 PM
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We use the same health care model here in Finland as in Sweden. People are losing one bit or another - sometimes the whole deal - because of this "system". I could recount endless stories of pancreatic cancer, stroke - you name it! - being missed by these apathetic "doctors" churned out by the educational system here. Fail on fail.

Now, I don't think that paying doctors more money is any sort of solution. They are doing a job like anyone else. But they aren't responsible and they know it. So what's the big salary for then? Let them live like the rest of us. We're all just as important. There's no reason they deserve more.

Now, if they were responsible for producing results, being right, being knowledgeable, conscientious, accurate, caring, and actually *making us well*, then I could understand their rates. But that's not what happens, not even with private doctors. So no. Let their rates come down to a level commensurate with their abilities and accuracy. What's fair is fair.

I had a private doctor diagnose me with pheochromocytoma. He was a GP who was somehow working as a gyno and I had gone there concerned that I was starting menopause at 42. He whipped that out as his rebuttal to my claims. Naturally, I filed a formal complaint against him. Nothing happened. He's still working gyno.

So, does it matter which form of health care you use: socialized or private? No, because doctors are not worth their salt.



posted on Dec, 29 2010 @ 09:19 PM
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Blah.. propaganda.

This could happen here in America without free healthcare. If he had been more persistent and visited other doctors the cancer would likely have been discovered. The same thing could happen in the U.S. You go to one doctor he tells you to come back in so much time and when you come back it's too late. That is why you get a second opinion.



posted on Dec, 29 2010 @ 09:36 PM
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They would have saved it in the United States!


He would have only had to pay 102,012,999,318$......



posted on Dec, 29 2010 @ 09:40 PM
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off-topic post removed to prevent thread-drift


 



posted on Dec, 29 2010 @ 10:25 PM
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Originally posted by star in a jar
Unfortunately at the end of the day it's up to people to attempt to tackle their health problems... IE completely cutting off cigarettes, doing detox, going for that long everyday walk and not depend on some doctor who may or may not have the patients' best interests at heart.


Well said.

People should tackle their own health problems. Only two days ago I talked to a guy who was given 6 months to live (cancer) in 2001. He was considered that terminal that his GP sent him to an old tibetan woman who claimed she had never lost a cancer patient, thinking that this guy would ruin her flawless reputation. She cured him too.

I spoke to him for over an hour and learned a great deal. I will never trust the medical industy again, and those who do should hope to god that they love you more than they love money. If not, you're dead, and broke.

If you have health problems, speak to those who had the same and survived. Not those who call themselves "experts" and cure nothing, while asking what treatments you can afford.



posted on Dec, 29 2010 @ 11:42 PM
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Nice one. But alas...no. I am saying a mistake is a mistake whether or not the government pays for it.



posted on Dec, 30 2010 @ 07:43 AM
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What happens in socialized medicine if someone does cause harm by malfeasance or other problems?

I know in a private system, there is remedy.

Just wondering what happens. You cannot sue the system can you? You cannot sue the doctor can you?

That is why I prefer a private system. Here in the states, anything connected to the government that causes one harm, you usually have no recourse.



posted on Dec, 30 2010 @ 07:51 AM
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shall we all scour the internet looking for stories of bad things happening in private and nationalised hospitals. There are tons of stories to back up either argument. Looking at individual cases is not really a good way of analysing the merits of either system.

I could give you my story of how amazing the NHS in the UK is and im sure someone will find an article telling me how bad it is.

At the end of the day its an ideological argument.
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posted on Dec, 30 2010 @ 08:54 AM
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The incentive for doctors to do better is that if they don't they can get paid less or even lose their jobs. If a doctor is very good, he will be sought after. Doctors in market competition have rational incentive to do better.

Where is the incentive to do your best in a socialized/collectivized system? Apart from relying on having good work ethic or values, how are you to ensure workers to be conscientious?



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