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Rendlesham forest, "Ancient Aliens" episode 30.12.10 and binary numbers

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posted on Jan, 9 2011 @ 10:01 PM
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Originally posted by kroms33
Now I am smelling bunk. READ and correct me if I am wrong... please!

Anyone see where he states that he didn't know what binary code was when he recently returned to the air base???

Well, in reading this from earthfiles (scroll down to government interview) Check it:

Hypnosis Session, September 10, 1994
Penniston: "They are asking if I see binary code!? I see the binary code... They are time travelers. They are us."

On ancient aliens Penniston stated he didn't know what binary code was - and at the air base on the 28th of December he stated he didn't know what binary was either (if I remember correctly he asked the audience if they knew what binary code was in the 80's - many say yes, and he stated "well we didn't") . Now we see a different story.

This just burns me up, because it was a really really good case, one of the best. They just hung themselves with putting all of the interviews up. The story is bunk.


edit on 1/8/2011 by kroms33 because: edit date for hypnosis session inserted


It seems that not knowing binary code in 1980 and referencing the words “binary code” under regression in 1994 would not automatically discredit Jim’s account; considering that we can assume, within that 14-year span, he learned about the existence of binary code.

Your observation reinforces the paradoxical argument for and against regression validity. Under regression, all cumulatively perceived associatively encoded data will accompany the relayed experience. In this case, Jim had 14-years to cognitively reassimilate his experience and try to make sense of a relatively brief episode.

It would be just as reasonable to assume that when the incident occurred Jim perceived the words “binary code” as gibberish and repressed that information until a cognitive relationship could be drawn from his eventual knowledge of the existence of binary code (i.e., a proverbial ‘light bulb’ moment).

Conclusive or coherent understanding is a cognitively recurrent systematic process that is perceptually regulated; therefore, as long as Jim didn’t copy the code directly from the craft, it holds no more credence than if he recalled the code under regression or in present-day visions. In fact, as some of the ‘code breakers’ within this posting have found, copying direct is also tedious and prone to error.

If we are to believe what we do not experience or that which cannot be upheld by scientific method, our best factual hope lies within the knowledge base of principal observers--however evolutionarily skewed or enhanced their perspective. Despite vulnerability to social ridicule, these individuals graciously relay their experiences and are humble enough to offer these events for potentially knowledgeable interpretation.

Btw, thanks for reposting the website link. I reexamined Jim’s symbols and I have to say, upon initially viewing the triangle-in-a-circle, my critical mindset immediately attributed this to a subconscious conjecture that may have emanated from a ‘coffee pot’ meeting or some prior interaction with ‘Bill’s friends’. Upon further examination, I am left pondering the thought that the perimeter circle represents an orbital path and the straight legs of the triangle represent wormholes present within specific orbital intersection of the points of the triangle. Maybe Jim’s 1980 time travelers came though a corresponding point. If that is the case, perhaps we can proportionately discern their next visit using the diagram(?).

edit on 9-1-2011 by OlafMiacov because: ease of assimilation




posted on Jan, 10 2011 @ 04:48 PM
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I recalled being mentioned at the beginning of the topic that he wrote it down in 8 bit code. What if he wrote it down in extended ASCII? (According to Wikipedia) Computers manipulate data in eight bit bytes, many extensions use the additional 128 codes available by using all eight bits of each byte. Is there a connection? Can that be fitted into a logical translation?

Also from wikipedia:



Because these ASCII extensions have so many variants, it is necessary to identify which set is being used for a particular text for it to be interpreted correctly. However, because the most-used characters (those in ASCII, the seven-bit code points) are common to all sets—even most proprietary ones—failure to correctly identify a character set often suffers no adverse consequences if the user is typing in English.



And: IBM introduced eight-bit extended ASCII codes on the original IBM PC (Interesting enough, around 1981) and later produced variations for different languages and cultures.



posted on Jan, 10 2011 @ 05:35 PM
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As you can see in this post only in three occasions the first bit is '1', making all other bytes the same for either 8 or 7 bit versions of ASCII.



posted on Jan, 11 2011 @ 06:03 PM
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What are your thoughts on this:

www.earthfiles.com...

You've posted the most relevant infromation, was curious as to your response to this "report".



posted on Jan, 11 2011 @ 06:28 PM
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I blieev i have uncoded this binary signal (Code Bearing Logiclal Words)

The code seems to be part of the third section of the Ming-Lou-Cho Chronicles, please consult my sig link for more details.

It seems the craft Peniston saw in teh forest that night was an advanced reconnaissance platform of the Night Bringers , stranegly this type was also seen in Kecksberg PA (1960s) and Montefierro Italy (1920s)

Do you all think there is a connection to Kecksberg and the Italy one>?



posted on Jan, 12 2011 @ 07:38 AM
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I don't think that it makes sense to have 8 bit and 7 bit ASCII mixed up, so I think that that approach it's not the best.

I also think that considering the numbers as coordinates in a specific system doesn't make much sense either, so I agree with the idea of considering all systems, but I do not agree when they say that to join the "8100" with what appears to be coordinates they must add it as 8100. Why not 81 then the coordinates or 8 and the coordinates? Why not try all possibilities with these numbers when they do that with the other numbers?

It looks like they got fixed with UK coordinates. If it was their own idea or if it was "suggested" by someone we could not know.

Trying the whole sequence in 8 bits ASCII and then in 7 bit ASCII was what I was doing, but as it looks like I got things mixed up and now I have better images I will try that again.

But something looks wrong in all this, I still don't see any good reason for sending messages in ASCII coded in binary, because I don't think that the explanation of binary being used in satellites is a good explanation. What can be seen in space is satellites communicating in binary back to Earth or with other satellites, so I don't see how an intelligent species would do the same to communicate with a person, something that doesn't look like a satellite.



posted on Jan, 12 2011 @ 08:02 PM
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For what it’s worth, I totally agree with what you’re saying. In fact, I dug out my old digital communications texts and followed along as your laborious decoding unfolded throughout this thread. I sure appreciate your efforts.

It’s disappointing that Miss Howe’s experts have taken this hypothetical low-road by saying that 7-bit & 8-bit are comingled in this presently nonsensical portion of the code. Essentially, opening the door for ‘lottery statistic’ types of error-detection & parity deviations, as well as, the possibility of mixing any Morse code, Baudot, dip-switch, punch code, or teletype variation that exists, not to mention, logic discrepancies and any hope of vertical and horizontal redundancy checks. I have no doubt that with enough manipulation we can be eaten by aliens, repair their ship, and build a few pyramids.

On the bright side, the endeavors of yourself and others within this thread, have me entertaining thoughts about the code relating to a pixilated image or wondering if this could be data compression related to a radio signal or a code w/in the code. Maybe there was an inaudible frequency that accompanied the data that Jim saw and it was being received by another craft(?).

Something that I am certain about is my increasingly difficult time remaining optimistic about the validity of Penniston’s binary data. It seems that the further we deviate from Occam’s razor, the greater this becomes another unempirical, open-to-interpretation, belief-based incident. I’d be lying if I didn’t say that I’m beginning to view Jim’s aggressive replies as concealing instead of defensive.



posted on Jan, 12 2011 @ 11:47 PM
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Originally posted by OlafMiacov
It seems that not knowing binary code in 1980 and referencing the words “binary code” under regression in 1994 would not automatically discredit Jim’s account; considering that we can assume, within that 14-year span, he learned about the existence of binary code.

Your observation reinforces the paradoxical argument for and against regression validity. Under regression, all cumulatively perceived associatively encoded data will accompany the relayed experience. In this case, Jim had 14-years to cognitively reassimilate his experience and try to make sense of a relatively brief episode.


From what I have read about hypnotic regression, for him to actually transfer the knowledge of binary back to his original 'memory' he would have still had to know about it. He was way to clear about being asked about the code - if he had no idea what the code was, he would have stated that under hypnosis.
"They are asking about binary code, I don't know what they mean."
or
"They are asking me about some code. I see the numbers, it is a code."
NOT
"They are asking me if I see binary code!? I see the binary code"

I also have some problems believing this case now because of this binary code that he 'received'.

The code that he uses doesn't match the direct timeframe of the encounter, but rather four years later (8 bit ASCII).
We have sent binary charts in our furthest explorers. Also we sent a code "key" to decode the binary so that an intelligent species could understand what we are saying. Example: If you program something on a PC, convert it completely to binary (like you see in a blue screen dump) and take that information and try to read it on a MAC or VAX - or whatever you won't be able to read it without translation tools... and even then it would be pretty difficult to assemble and read.

So, WHY would an intelligent species relay this message in the form of binary data that seems to translate to 7 & 8 bit ASCII code? Receiving this information from this 'alien' craft is just like what I described about the translation tools - different computers require different translations. How would this ship know our translation methods - and how was it AUTOMATICALLY PC compatible?

Man - I can't tell you enough how heart broken I am about this case. If you know anything about binary, or the translations invovled on a bit by bit level - the story doesn't add up. Perhaps I am overlooking something...



posted on Jan, 13 2011 @ 01:31 AM
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I hope I don’t sound too oxymoronic, but mainstream psychology attempts to present and address as empirically as possible; therefore, many regard hypnosis and regression as of little helping value. Although various findings are intriguing, it’s hard to give credence to any type of unsubstantiated eyewitness account (regardless of retrieval modality). Personally, I enjoy entertaining the thought that hypnotic regression can work and has worked, as is cited by alien abductees and in older jounals. Having some knowledge of how the brain works, I’m open to the possibilities, but in a clinical setting, its validity is nothing more than anecdotal.

Regarding vernacular, linguistic information is cognitively assimilated (or encoded as memory) just as any perceived experience. This is a regressive paradox (hypnotic or not); in cases where victims repress traumatic experiences, their experiences are encoded as memories along with any future perceived correlative data (i.e., any aid for circumstantial cuing of the event--words, smells, & sounds). Regardless of hypnosis, in instances of molestation, severe trauma, PTSD, etc., the victim may be unable to relate the instance until years later when they are able to cognitively quantify their experience. Multiple & borderline PD are exceptions that also follow this rule, but psychopathy can distort recall.

All that said, if Penniston perceived “blah blah…code”, and was drawn to correlate his experience with the code he was writing, eventually learning of binary code, it would not be unusual for him to blurt out binary code when recalling the event. His brain automatically filled-in and subsequently encoded that data with the original memory.

I was drawn to this post and became a member because of the Aliens episode’s reference of the binary code which, along with Boolean logic, I have very little use for, but still interests me. I guess it’s just nice to think that life can be as black and white and simplistic as 1s and 0s. I want to believe that extraterrestrials would communicate with us in that way; however, the more I started following Jim’s binary code down the rabbit hole, like yourself & others, the more logical questions I began to ask and the more illogical his code has become.

I can’t see that you or anyone else is overlooking anything. The logic yourself and others have alluded to are the obvious barriers created with the context and type of information presented. The only thing that I was waiting until the weekend to try was using a shift register from the end of the code back (like it would be hypothetically received by other AI). Fortunately, as a mere closet UFO enthusiast, I’m new to this case so it’s not as disheartening for me as it is to those of you that have spent some time examining potential empircism. If anything, maybe it’ll all become clear when he reveals the rest of the code—lol.


edit on 13-1-2011 by OlafMiacov because: typo



posted on Jan, 13 2011 @ 01:38 PM
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Well,

This is all very interesting. Having followed this case for YEARS now, all I can say is that I had never once heard of physical interaction with the craft, or a data download into one of their brains. This is highly suspect.

Also I swear that in the background of the video ( the one where they are asked why they sat on the information for so long) that I see Linda Moulton Howe(sp) up on stage sitting there. She is one of the least credible persons in ufology in my opinion and leaves a further foul smell in the air of this whole situation.

Anyway, that's my 2 cents.

X

Great thread though OP, I like your efforts and objective nature.

In spirit of the thread:
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posted on Jan, 13 2011 @ 05:10 PM
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James Penniston and John Burroughs are to discuss new information about Rendlesham Forest with Angelia Joiner on The Joiner Report www.angeliajoiner.com

James and John will appear on The Joiner Report for this first interview since the information was made public. The show is Thursday, Jan. 13 at 7:30 p.m. Central – 8:30 p.m. Eastern, UK January 14, 01:30 am GMT at www.inceptionradionetwork.com

This interview may prove insightful but based upon the "townhall" info I'm skeptical much tangible additional information will be provided.



posted on Jan, 13 2011 @ 11:12 PM
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I really appreciate the link and enjoyed the interview. Hopefully, they’ll archive the interview soon as I had to leave toward the end. I did perceive some semantic inconsistencies and it's a shame that Mr. Burrows was too ill to participate in the radio interview.

As others have mentioned, Penniston seems vague about the code's exact length and almost matter-of-fact regarding the code. He states Miss Howe’s 1996 book contains the code and it's ‘old hat’ with no real interest until filming the Aliens episode; however, at the time he wrote the code, he believed revealing the code would detrimentally affect his career(?).

Jim also stated he knew what the code said before he had it interpreted (I almost fell out of my chair). This has to be a whole “Well, what I meant was...” can of worms for him; especially, because he constantly wants to assure us that he is binary dumb. He did allude to the fact, that as the special recipient of this private time-traveler (not alien) message, it is his and John’s discretion who knows what, when, how, and why.

I almost forgot, the reason he is the special recipient is because the "time-travelers" were drawn to the high electromagnetic area of his base; furthermore, he certainly couldn’t have received the message at the time traveler’s original waterlogged destination of Hy Brasil (the code coordinates for Hy Brasil are correct)!

Which brings me to the fact that in 1973 he was working security at a 4 story computer complex. Since ASCII became standardized in ’63, it would have been quite the rage among anyone, employed at the computer complex, especially since many of them would have been ex-WW2 code breakers with dip-switch calluses. I don't know what a computer complex security guard did to pass time in the '70s, but I'd venture to guess just about anything but watch TV.

At this point, his statements regarding “total recall” during the recent visit to the incident’s "real location", referring to his 1980 experience as the beginning of something that he won’t reveal, and that he and John had “private experiences” during their Rendlesham reunion, etc., interest me much in the same way a bad SciFi movie would—I can't change the channel.

Although no longer really considering the regression aspect (he said he had "lost memories during hypnosis"), I’m still trying to give this account of a very credible event the benefit of the doubt. My expectations of Jim’s scientific inclination, given his unusual experience, don’t match what he has presented, but I still want to know more.


edit on 13-1-2011 by OlafMiacov because: succinctness?



posted on Jan, 14 2011 @ 12:47 AM
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I was drawn to this post and became a member because of the Aliens episode’s reference of the binary code which, along with Boolean logic, I have very little use for, but still interests me. I guess it’s just nice to think that life can be as black and white and simplistic as 1s and 0s. I want to believe that extraterrestrials would communicate with us in that way; however, the more I started following Jim’s binary code down the rabbit hole, like yourself & others, the more logical questions I began to ask and the more illogical his code has become.


I watch Ancient Aliens also - some of the stuff is interesting, and sometimes I notice they stretch things beyond belief. Don't let this discourage your intrests, there are so many interesting cases that blow this one away.

This may be stretching things - but what could be happening with this case is a disinformation campaign. Did someone get to close to something? Did someone find something out?

What better way to make an actual documented UFO case take a nose dive then to get the witnesses to push it beyond belief?

This case was so well documented, there are audio recordings of the witnesses talking on a radio durring the encounter - and it is documented by the military. Now, all of this new information came out of thin air - and the story just doesn't logically add up for many of us who have been following it for years. To me all this new information is nothing more than 'steering' people in another direction.... but why do it at all since the case was from 1980 - 30 years ago? I don't know - I will leave that up to the conspiracy theorists here.



At this point, his statements regarding “total recall” during the recent visit to the incident’s "real location", referring to his 1980 experience as the beginning of something that he won’t reveal, and that he and John had “private experiences” during their Rendlesham reunion, etc., interest me much in the same way a bad SciFi movie would—I can't change the channel.


you know - I can't change the channel either. I am going to watch this until the end. I sure hope I am wrong about my assumptions - but from looking at it from a technical point of view (ASCII & Binary PC translations) I am finding all of the new info very hard to believe.

Either they didn't have the knowledge to think this out properly and didn't count on 21st century technology to debunk it. How could they not think programmers would question the code?

I first believed in this binary code deal until I talked to my father. I am nearing 40, and my father is in his 60's. My father used to work as a hardware/software engineer for 40+ years. He started off in the Air Force, went to the Navy and then to the private sector. I was jumping up and down - excited beyond belief until he told me about translations, system dumps, binary etc. No matter what argument I could summon, I could not break the logic that perscribes to the binary translations.

I told my father he should e-mail Linda M Howe because they are looking for programmers/code breakers for the binary. He declined saying that they are going to hang themselves because people will eventually see through it.

All of this could be disinfo to make people look somewhere else... but again, logic isn't pointing that direction either since the case is so old... unless someone found something that the government is trying to hide or steer people away from.



posted on Jan, 14 2011 @ 12:51 AM
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Ancient Aliens is the best series I have ever seen.

I also came up to many of their same conclusions months before the first episode (became a fanatical researcher into ancient history/mythology and correlations to modern events). So when that first episode came out, I was like "OMFG!!" and giddy like a little school girl.

Truly, best series for me.

Sometimes they do stretch things quite far, but I think that's the point of the show & some of what it entails. It looks at -everything- strictly thru the perspective of ET intervention with mankind.



posted on Jan, 14 2011 @ 01:41 AM
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I sure appreciate your read between the lines & read between the lines again encouragement. It’s amazingly easy to get caught in that comfortable skeptical head-in-the-sand hiding place.

You’re right on about what better way to redirect than to manipulate, I know I read that early in this thread, but completely I spaced it off. I have been trying to get up to speed on this case and in doing so, I’m inclined to agree with either disinformation or that Penniston has suffered some type of head injury or possible illness and others are trying to cash in.

I really enjoy Ancient Aliens, but it almost seems rudimentary after following the posted links within the various forum thread topics. I never realized how little I knew about what I didn’t know about! Thanks again.
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posted on Jan, 14 2011 @ 04:40 PM
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I agree with your thoughts on the interview.

A few random thoughts of mine after hearing the interview:
I'm disappointed that Penniston doesn't simply release the codes for public scrutiny but instead gives vague rational for not releasing. (eg. the code was meant just for him, or he needs to protect the code, or he isn't sure it should be released).
It is also confusing when he says he understood it was code but then says he thought it was jibberish, which is it? He also gives the impression that he could recite the code today, that it is still embedded in his memory. If it is then he should recite the code on video to dispove skeptics.
All information is impossible to disprove because if it is disproven it must be a "false memory" implant in any event.
He believes the remaining code are more locations. Implying that these locations are high magnetic field areas?
He thinks the location identified in the code is intended to be Hy Brazil.
Penniston is admant that they didn't see the lighthouse. (I agree as I can't imagine 4-6 military personnel are going to confuse a lighthouse with other lights.)
I do get the impression that Penniston believes what he is saying,although he seems to have been influenced by events outside of the encounter.

I do think the credibility factor of Penniston loses ground with every interview. I get the impression he doesn't care and he truly believes what he is saying. He could immediately restore credibility by reciting the code from recall and perhaps releasing the code in it's entirety. As an aside, he is a likeable man and I hope the best for him.



posted on Jan, 15 2011 @ 08:24 AM
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A post from the RFI forum:

"Here's an interesting experiment. Make sure when you are studying those coordinates, to set Google Earth to display 'decimal coordinates' rather than the more confusing degrees/minutes etc. In Google Earth (for windows) I go to Tools/Option --> Show Lat/Long decimal. The numbers are: 520942532N 13131269W - So we can assume the relevance of Woodbridge town is: 52.0942532N 1.3131269W (or it would be a massive coincidence!)
Copy and paste that in Google Earth - then zoom in. In the search bar type in Woodbridge, Suffolk and zoom in. Notice the decimal coordinates for the actual 'place-name' of Woodbridge according to Google Earth coincide exactly with the coordinates in the code. If you use a different mapping software tool and searched for Woodbridge, you would get a slightly different result. The map maker decides where the 'place-name' coordinates go - it isn't a universal constant.
If you want to prove that just type in Woodbridge, Suffolk into a number of different map software; www.bing.com... for example and note the 'place-name' does not sit at 52.0942532N 1.3131269W.
My conclusion is who ever wrote the code used Google Earth to find the decimal coordinates of Woodbridge."


According to LMH's site Penniston was unhappy with the finding of HST that the coordinates pointed to the mythical island of Hybrazil. He stated that he really felt they were coordinates for Woodbridge. Having seen his massive error in using Google Earth to find the coordinates for Woodbrdige, when he wrote the code, he changed them back to Hybrazil. The guy is a hoaxer!



posted on Jan, 20 2011 @ 05:10 AM
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I think it's lame. In order to convert the bits to language there MUST BE A SCHEME. Like ASCII. Otherwise, it's just a bunch of unreadable 1's and 0's.

Let me explain it this way:

00101000 = A
10000010 = Z

No, this is not accurate, but do you see what I'm saying? If they could inject this bit message into his head and he could remember it so well then why the hell didn't they just inject the RESULT since they already had it? Instead of giving 00101000 they could have just given A.

I'm a programmer, btw. This definitely ruins the whole case for me. Maybe someone paid him to do this? I mean, what if he's always been honest, but someone made an offer he couldn't refuse.

Anyway. Penniston. Welcome to the loony bin. Where I didn't doubt the case as much before because it seemed compelling, I think the lid has been thrown off with this. What a joke.
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posted on Jan, 20 2011 @ 06:50 AM
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It's BS people. Can't you understand? There's conflicting information everywhere.

Look I know it's a cliche, but the truth isn't online. It's out there.

Get a degree. Get a job with the military or NASA or something. The truth isn't here. Just a lot of BS.



posted on Jan, 21 2011 @ 12:52 PM
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Recent written Statement from Jim Penniston:

"The binary codes, were a direct result of contact with a physical craft. A craft of unknown origin. Meaning it was a unidentified craft and where it came from is still unknown.


The communication of binary codes was accomplished, when I physically touch the craft’s glyphs, which were located on the outside skin of the craft. It activated a technology which is unknown to me, and apparently to everyone else too... The technology then communicated a series of ones and zeros to me. The communication transfer was accomplished within minutes. There was an area of about fifteen feet which surrounded the outside of the craft. This area I will call the bubble. For within the bubble, static electric pulsed upon my clothes, skin, and hair. Also an appearance of slowing of time. The air seemed dead, not transmitting any sound.



The next day, while looking at my note book... The glyphs in particular. I have had the codes running through my head since the incident the day before. I had a feeling to write them down... for I did and immediately after finishing them, the codes were gone from my mind. I was finally at rest with them. The notebook was then put away and retired to a box. For a new one for work I had available. My thoughts at the time, although profound, were actually much more simple. I wanted it to go away, and I had no need to talk about it either. For this was not to be the case. For I was methodically and consistently interviewed and interrogated by my chain-of-command, and other agencies. Every time, I was promised that this was the last interview, and it would be absorbed into the classified annuals of data, and I would need not tell or talk about it no more. This was not the case.



I went through at least fourteen debriefings and two by non-air force personnel. I gave all information from memory, and at no time was the notebook ever brought up. The debriefs were all for the last time, I was promised. Tell all, and tell it correctly and it would be the last of questions on Rendlesham. For these were to continue, no matter what I had said. I do believe the command element, were more for obtaining knowledge. But the external interrogation, were for much more, I am afraid.



The time line of the incident and the debriefs. The time line for Rendlesham and information flow. Incidents occurred Dec 26-28, 1980. On the morning of the 29th of December, AFOSI building, meeting with two American Agents, more likely Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA), and/or National Security Agency (NSA), Penniston writes a four page written statement to the agents. He dates it and signs the document. Agents then give Penniston a typed statement, which is generic, and is limited on details. For example, observation of a metallic craft, and not getting with in 50 yards of it. Penniston is instructed by the Agents that an official investigation is underway, and he is to tell all who asks, the cover story that was provided to him. He reads it several times and then agrees to do so. Penniston, Burroughs, Cabanzak, are debriefed at the Deputy Base Commanders office, Colonel Halt. Statements written and then drawings made. Penniston, Burroughs and Cabanzak are taken into Wing Commanders Office with Base and Deputy Base Commanders present. The NSA account is briefed to the officers. The Wing Commander, thanks the Security Policemen for the report, and asks no questions. all direct witnesses are briefed to treat all discussion about Rendlesham as Top Secret. Ending all conversation on base by those directly involved. We are assured that this incident will never see the light of day. For it is classified, and names have been sanitized from reports.



Jan 1981, beginnings of physical problems from radiation begin.. Inner ear disorder develops, treated for these conditions at RAF Bentwaters. The other primary witnesses begin medical issues from the incident and the encounter from contact. No treatment for Post traumatic stress was afforded to no one after the incident.

1981 Jan - August. All primary witness are transferred from base or separated from the Air Force. With the exception of Colonel Halt and Sergeant Penniston. They remain on base till 1984.

1991 Medical issues with inner ear are now diagnosis as Meniers Disease.

1993 Retire from the USAF. When asked, the Air Force says nothing about Rendlesham is classified. All reference to the Rendlesham Forest Incident is unclassified, and we are free to talk about it. So what was up with this. They monitored me through my Air Force career, and now it’s a non event? I was thinking why, not just say it is classified, and that would forbade speaking about it in the future. I have never understood this line of thought, by the US Air Force.

1994, due to severe sleep issues, and post traumatic stress from the incident, and continuing problems from the now diagnosis of Meniers Disease. The Veterans Administration treated Meniers Disease. They would not afford post traumatic stress treatment for the incident. They said there was no evidence of anything happening at Bentwaters in 1980 which could produce this condition. So I had to seek private help for the sleep disorder and the post traumatic stress. I also sought to remember, for I had memory voids of things from that time.

1994 Sept. Hypnosis was accomplished. Talked about time travelers and the receipt of the binary code which was given from contact with the craft. Treatment continued for the PTSD. No help on the sleep issues.

1996 In a letter (email) to a colleague, I terminated a contract with a possible book, which would have told all about Rendlesham. But in my letter to this writer, I tell her, I can not proceed with the book, for she has her own agenda, and it was not in the interest of the facts being told about the Rendlesham Incident. I also told her, that the answers she also seeks will be given in 2010, some fourteen years later. Little did I understand this feeling or should I say impression which was left from contact on December 26th 1980. It seemed like a pie in the sky thought back then.

1998 Contacted by Linda Moulton Howe on book she is doing. Wants me to be a contributor... I speak of the time element and receiving binary codes at contact location. I agree with the thought of a correct version of the facts about Rendlesham. At this point, skeptics just were making things up... They had no claims that they were making ever challenged. The most ridicules one was that it was a light house. This skeptic made a 30 year career on this. Others were even more outlandish. Planets, stars, re-entry vehicles, and the list went on and on. They referred to Rendlesham as just another UFO case. It was far, far, from that. For information was transferred through a technology which is still and will be unknown for eons to come.



A couple documentaries which came out, were just on the verge of fabrication. I started to understand this documentary thing. It was a necessary evil to getting the true story out. But, I learned slowly, what I needed to control the information, to insure it was correct. Or at least as correct as possible.


I had not seen or talked to John Burroughs since a 1994 Strange But True, show which was broadcasted on London Weekend Television. Even while shooting I was always with Halt. John and I were afforded very little contact with each other. Also it was designed for us not to be in Rendlesham together during the shoot.


Over the years I did a few documentaries, never being satisfied with any of them. Then out of the blue, in fall of 2009, I was contacted by John Burroughs, after years of saying he had disappeared and was not able to locate him. John’s just simply calls me on the phone. Pleasantries are past back and forth and the conversation comes to one question from John. He said, do you know what we need to do next year? I simply said, yes, I know, we must return to Rendlesham. He said, that is exactly what we must do. For it has been a drive for him since 2007 to do this, and I said I have known this since 1996. So we do not know how to begin, but, John said we can make it happen. For if the trip is not funded, we will go on our dime.


I agreed with John wholeheartedly. John said he had just did a conference with Linda Mouton Howe, and she could help us with this he believed. Linda was considering writing a book about the Return to Rendlesham, and she was interested in us as co-authors. I was not overly exited about doing the book with Linda. But kept an open mind. After much back and forth between us all, I agreed to do a book with her as a partner. It was figured that this would be the best bet to disclose all information about the Rendlesham Forest Incident without, losing control over the content or accuracy of what really happened.


Now recall was starting to happen with John and I and we kept in contact with these things. (Exact content of information which John and I shared is confidential and will not add to this note or make a difference in writing it)


John and I met at a diner, on Illinois Interstate 39. He was visiting family in Bloomington, Illinois and I lived in Freeport, some three hours north of Bloomington. We agreed to meet. So in July 2010, John and I sit down for the first time since the incident in December 1980. We discuss many things, from the time discrepancies on our watches to mysteries and inconsistencies between his and my statements and my reports through-out the years on various documentaries.

We decide to go back to Rendlesham in December 2010. We would try to get it funded, but, if not, we were more than eager to pay for all, so we could return together for the first time. Our feelings were of total recall, and answering questions we had. It would also establish the landing site, and put to bed all the distortions that others and skeptics did through out the years.



In September, John contacts me, and said Linda believes we had possible funding for the trip. She was working that. In the meantime, John and I were turning Documentaries down, which were being scheduled in England for the thirty year anniversary. For we wanted to have it funded, but not at the expense of these type of documentaries. They would not add nothing to solving anything, they were about sensationalism and selling the documentaries. So John and I turned them down, expecting to pay for the trip ourselves... For it was our dive to return and nothing would stop us from doing that. We were prepared to start travel arrangements.


Late September, we get a call from Linda to tell us she secured funding for the trip. We would have to agree to doing a television appearance on the show Ancient Aliens Series, on the History Channel... John and I reviewed the show, and it did not look too bad. We also had conference calls with the Prometheus Picture company, Its producer, and us arranged a filming shoot for the show in Phoenix at the beginning of October 2010. In return we would have tickets and such paid for so we could return to England.


We arrive for the shoot on the 2nd of October in Phoenix, it is the first time since the incident that John and I have filmed together, speaking about what had happened. A very intense and emotional time for me and him.. For I was recalling fear, from that night as I filmed and John watched on. At one point I had to break filming to re-compose, It was just horrible. After composure, I simply was talking about receiving the codes and I mention that I recorded them in this notebook. The original notebook I had from that night was in my hand. Well everyone one pretty much stopped and got excited. They said, you recorded them? I said yes. All eyes were on them at that point. Linda wanted some experts to see them. I agreed for her to do that... But I also gave copies of the codes to Prometheus for there expert to decipher. A week later I gave Linda her copy to send in to decipher. I only did this with Linda, after I receive a call from the producer of Prometheus a few days earlier after my return from Phoenix.


Kim (the producer) calls and says, get in front of your computer and I will down load what our expert found. We will go through them. I asked her, you mean they were not jibberish? She said no, there anything but that. So I perused the docs while talking to Kim. I was in utter shock the codes were actually information and readable. I told her I needed time to absorb this information, and I am sending copies to Linda to have her decipher, so they may be verified. I told nothing to Linda that Prometheus had already deciphered them. I wanted a unbiased report from her experts.

Linda comes back in a week and verifies the information and decipher, it is all the same except for the hi-brazil location. Linda’s was at Woodbridge.

So that is the decipher and how it came to be.


The Prometheus Pictures said they would release a seven minute segment of our Phoenix shoot, in an Ancient Aliens the Series show on December 30th 2010. We were shown the clip on the morning of the 29th. We knew the controversy of the subject and what the codes meant. I still had eight more pages in my notebook which needed to be deciphered. This was just not given, because I thought six pages would prove it was jibberish. Little did I know the codes could be deciphered. The rest are awaiting decipher as I write this.

For John and I have went back and forth with the release of the final pages. We will release them, and let the public can do what they want with them... for I believe they can only benefit us and the other decipher will mean nothing to others. The codes were given to me in a format that they knew could be deciphered. And they also knew when they should be deciphered. So your seven, eight, nine or whatever bit, does not matter. We must quit thinking inside the box and we need to think outside of it for the answers. For yesterday is tomorrow."



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