2011: The Seeds Of Revolution Will Be Sown

reply to post by AlreadyGone


I do think that so far, most people are not outraged. Yet.
They should be, I can not repeat the list as its ad nuaseum at the point....

We all know. But finally there may come something that causes outrage. And God forbid,
when the time comes, we best be prepared.



Thanks for the comments everyone.

I found this interesting. I tried hard not to smile, but have to wonder what this is about.

"And people are going to go, 'That land's not yours, prove that it's yours,' and the only thing you have to prove it's yours is on an electric file. Then it's like, 'What's the value of currency, and whose food is whose?' People's alarm systems at their homes will no longer work. Neither will our heating, our garbage disposals, hot-water heaters that run on gas but depend on electricity - what happens when all our modern conveniences fail? I'm going to be ready to take myself and my family to a safe place where they don't have to worry."

So what's a soothsaying star supposed to do when he sees the end of the world? Kutcher is stocking up on guns and spending hours and hours running the canyons near his home, pushed on by visions of being chased by wild boar. He's also taking daily bikram yoga sessions, and learning Krav Maga, a deadly Israeli combat technique taught to high-powered special ops.

"All of my physical fitness regimen is completely tailored around the end of day.

Ashton Kutcher is preparing for Armegeddon.
www.huffingtonpost.com...

Originally posted by HunkaHunka

Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
According to Lenin,

Let me just stop you right there.... Lenin did not live in a time where there was constant forms of distraction and entertainment...

he also lived in a time where people wanted to follow the herd... where they didn't have their own sense of entitlement and hierarchical power...

He didn't even live in a capitalist society where money was much more decentralized than in Czarist Russia...

Lenin can say diddly squat about today... He's old, dead, and way past his prime

So have you actually read any of Lenin's theories?

Because I thought he was outdated too, then I had to read some of his work, especially about imperialism. In case you did not notice, politics is a science and Lenin has definitely pioneered contemporary revolutionary theories.

And it most certainly does have relevance in today's society.

Oh, and what you describe about Lenin's era is completely wrong too. Back then, the top empires were Britain, France, Germany, Russia and America. WWI was an empirical war, fought between the empirical leadership of the powers and not really in the interest of the people themselves.

Lenin described Russia as the weakest link of the empires, especially since it was heavily invested in by Britain, Germany and France (merchant capitalism -> industrial capitalism -> finance capitalism (imperialism)). It was here where revolution was most likely to occur, so he incited revolution there among the exploited workers who were rising up against the weak leadership of the Czar.

However, the Czar did not see Lenin as much of a threat as the populists who appeal to the peasants. The Czar allowed Lenin to write and distribute his work around Russia because Lenin also worked against the populists. When Lenin proved himself to be influential, Germany moved him into Russia during WWI with the promise that Lenin would end the war on the Russian front. The Russians wanted this desperately, but the Czar wanted to keep fighting, making him extremely unpopular.

Lenin had a very solid theory, that revolution can be achieved against empires by controlling the means of production AND organizing a vanguard political force (In Russia, it was the bolsheviks) of highly trained and politically charged leaders. His theory was proven with the establishment of the USSR. Expeditionary forces from the other empires who invested in imperial Russia invaded after the revolution, only to face severe counterattack (I'm talking British, Americans, Canadians, etc).

To say that Lenin is not significant is to show how ignorant you are to the science of politics. He knew political science inside and out, and studying him is a most lucrative investment these days. Counter-insurgency operatives study Lenin as much as insurgents do.

reply to post by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi


Lenin is not significant because everything he observed about social and revolutionary trends were done in a completely different time frame and different parameters.

The individual and collective psyches were created and formed much differently in his time than in ours...

If you can't see how biased his thoughts were to his own time, then that's your own blindness.

Its time to make your own political observations and draw your own conclusions without being tainted by the trinkets in the attics of your neighbors.

Lenin didn't have Internet... social networks on the scale of today... computers... Intellectual Property.... Wikileaks... Hackers.... multi-national corporations.... a need for Oil... CCTV, Nuclear weapons...So much has changed, that it makes his theories great if we turn the clock back 100 years... but irrelevant today.

reply to post by HunkaHunka


You are so wrong that it's not even funny.

We were still human, 100 years ago. Technology has jack all to do with it. It is all about human will, to control or be controlled.

Obviously the medium to organize a revolution is different now, but the science is still the same (political science and revolution is my focus in academic studies, by the way, so not only do I know what I'm talking about I am also trained by others who know the same). You want a good example of modern revolution? Look at how the Zapatistas and even Anon use the internet to organize and distribute knowledge.

The only difference is that the powers that be have mostly evolved from empires to globalists without geopolitical borders. This is the next step after imperial capitalism. In order to understand our current situation, and what must be done about it, we need to study the science behind the progressive rise of neo-liberal capitalism. Lenin was a master of understanding capitalism up to imperial control, because globalism was not really around back then (it started after Milton Friedman in the 70s).

To disregard him as insignificant is to disregard history and start over from scratch; you can if you want, but I'd rather pay attention to his words that shaped a multicultural socialist empire (the USSR) through pure revolution, then to believe that globalism has just appeared out of thin air because it is just another progressive step in the capitalist system.

Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
reply to post by HunkaHunka

 

You are so wrong that it's not even funny.

We were still human, 100 years ago. Technology has jack all to do with it. It is all about human will, to control or be controlled.

So you think human will is constant? You don't think that it's changed by the parameters of what that mind believes to be possible?

How does technology have jack all to do with it? Technology brings so much more to the psyche of the contemporary man than it did in Lennins time.

Here are the items which technology brings to the mix...

1. Information
2. Distraction

reply to post by TrueBrit


Very well spoken, thank you for that

Originally posted by HunkaHunka

Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
reply to post by HunkaHunka

 

You are so wrong that it's not even funny.

We were still human, 100 years ago. Technology has jack all to do with it. It is all about human will, to control or be controlled.

So you think human will is constant? You don't think that it's changed by the parameters of what that mind believes to be possible?

How does technology have jack all to do with it? Technology brings so much more to the psyche of the contemporary man than it did in Lennins time.

Human will IS our compass. It directs what we do.

What are we without technology? We are still men, capable of making decisions for our future. We still make our own decisions with modern technology, it is only the masses that think they cannot make decisions on their own and must subscribe to the technological environment around them.

But this also happens to be exactly what Lenin describes too. You need to realize that just because we have newer technology now does not mean that the world 100 years ago was in the stone age. They were developing new technology all the time, which they thought was the pinnacle of era just like we think of ours' today.

Lenin knew what distraction was. He clearly outlined the powers that be using distraction to control the simple-minded masses. The distractions back in 1905? Pornography, fiction, propaganda, religion, drugs. Coincidently (or not), that's exactly the same situation today, regardless of technology. Empires use distractions to control the masses in their mother country so their own people do not understand why they support a military and corporate force that dominates other countries, in order to exploit them for their resources. The workers in these "colonies" are suppressed through violence and subversion.

A revolution is known not by how it organizes, but what it changes.

I've yet to see anything like this from either of the two you mention....

Could you remind me again as to what country either the Zapatistas or Anon have successfully taken over?

That's the entire point. They do not have any intent on taking anything over. They only act in order to make people understand that the class war has now evolved beyond geopolitical borders.

Whoa... wait a minute... "what must be done about it"... you have an agenda...

You see nothing must be done about anything... except to those who sense insecurity and have a fear to drive them to "what they must do about it"....

I'm perfectly happy with my current situation ;-)

Gee, do I have an agenda?

I am trained in the art of revolution, I was raised to resist. Do you think I am going to settle down and spend my life as a drone working in a Walmart or something? I live for revolution.

And yes, something needs to be done about it. You may feel content with your pampered life, brought to you at the despair of millions of exploited, but I don't. It sickens me that I was born in a capitalist country where most people are completely ignorant as to what we have done in order to gain our secure little lives.

There is a balance to all things, and the West has tipped the scales in its favor for too long. The just punishment for this will be severe to those who blissfully live out their lives without a care for the millions that we trample on, and I don't intend on being a part of such heresy.

Because history will teach us nothing.... Especially if you think about it as some sort of linear trajectory... which it is not...

Our past creates our present. We need to learn from our past in order to shape a better future, not just for us, but for ALL OF US.

Race riots, class warfare, urban vs. rural. The views of the urban dwellers and the country people are so completely different that I can't see it not leading to conflict in the end. And of course there will be the have-nots versus the haves. That's the bottom line, anyway, isn't it?

See this is the problem, the people should not be fighting amongst each other but banding together against the real evil and debauchery that is the government and the corporate/banksters. Bring down the banks and corporations and replace the government with reall people not corporate drones and lobbyists. Oh my when will we ever learn? Unity people!
A nation divided will always be conquered.

Personally, I don't think the American Nation can be reconciled between the international socialist and the constitutional Republic. I think we need two countries; one socialist with global entanglements and one constitutional Republic without global entanglements.

No matter who wins any given election, half the nation is miserable. If conservatives win, socialists are outraged. If socialists win, conservatives are outraged. The so called moderates just whine no matter who has power; swinging back and forth with no roots.

It's been like this for about twenty years now and the corrupt elitists (political, intellectual and corporate) take advantage of this division and weakness in the population to enrich and impower themselves at the cost of the public. We could manage this revolution - the division of the nation between socialist and constitutionally free - peacefully if we chose to do it and although it would not be without pain, it would be without the bloodshed of a civil war.

There is no reason Europe/America should have any debt or monetary problems.


If I was President I'd print out $100 Trillion this year and pay off every debt, Federal-State-city. I'd even give every citizen $20,000 cash.

The only reason we are having an economic problem is because of crude oil. Ration it.

50 gallons of gasoline per person per year. Figure out how you're gonna live on that on your own.

Then we'd see American Ingenuity and new technology.

reply to post by sara123123


If your nations citizens cannot see that thier petty and frankly meaningless biases are tools that the powerful use to control them, then perhaps survival just isnt on the cards for them. In all honesty survival, and the retaking of the power by the people , for the people is dependant on people realising that regardless of dogma and political leaning, we are one , and stronger together than we are apart.
That goes for every group in any given nation. Insisting that there are just two groups who deserve some slice of the land pie is insane! Theres way more happening than left and right, way more than consitutional and globalist. For one thing, being a fan of the constitution of the USA does not preclude one from believing that the world works better when everyone works toward common goals. It may set rules about how far one can go down that road, but it does not make it mutualy exclusive.
Next you will be saying there should be a collection of towns in the South where only white folks can go, just so the Klan have somewhere to be ! Ridiculous and utterly superfuous.
What the people of the USA need to do is realise that thier very political leanings are the tools by which they are controled, and they need , just like the people of every nation , to rise up, to take down the banners of thier overlords, and together lay foundations for a new method of political function, which allows the people to prevent things being done in thier name, or to them, which they disagree with, without delay, and without lawyers and lobbies and crucialy without money being involved in the process.
Thats something which you dont need to like a person in order to help bring about. You do it because it needs doing, not because you agree with the person standing next to you. You do what you do because you DONT agree with the men in the suits who make the choices for you, and get it wrong every time.
Basicaly where individual political concerns are involved, prioritise . Prioritise or die from inaction. Its a simple choice.

The source of this article is prisonplanet.com.

Alex Jones has a long history of predicting things that don't come true. Take his claim from 2001 that 8 out of 10 Americans would die within ten years.

Alex predicts stuff like 2011 revolution in order to drum up support for his website and sell products.

Yes the US economy is bad. But look at the root cause: a developed society. As more and more of the planet is developed, there are less jobs. It is inevitable. American jobs are going abroad, but that is not a globalist conspiracy. It's just market forces. The world will develop, and unemployment will skyrocket in the coming decades. People will sit around unemployed. People will save money. People will live in houses where the mortgage is paid off. That is inevitable.

Jones is just trying to cash in off people's misguided anger, in much the same way as Fox News and the Tea Party.

reply to post by c959162


I in no way mean this as an insult , but I couldnt give a turd about what the US does. I would sure like it if my friends the other side of the ocean got of thier butts and did something about the scumbags they have in office right now, but its up to them to sort out thier own affairs. However, regardless of the source of this article, there IS something on the horizon. And its something which wont just affect the mere USA but the whole western world. Thats the UK , Europe as a whole, and a whole bunch of developed capitalisms around the world.
Please for the love of enlightenment stop thinking that its only important if it happens in the US !

Right now the UK is on the brink of anarchy , we have students and unions planning marches in London and other major cities next year, and the government only have more cuts, and more job losses to offer the people. I dont know what that would mean in the US but here it means another step closer to a civil war in all but name, like there was in the eighties . France has already seen massive unrest, Athens was bombed by what people are calling an anarchist attack, but what was almost without doubt a protest at the austerity measures installed by the government of Greece, and smaller devices have been sent to embassies in Italy. Its only a matter of time before Spain and Portugal enter a phase of TOTAL ecconomic collapse, and thats not me saying this, but every ecconomic expert in the business saying it, and when that turd hits the fan its going to cover the entire EU the entire Euro currencyin crap , throw it into utter chaos. Theres no avoiding it what so ever.

There WILL be massive social and political upheaval if that happens. The only question that the residents of the EU ecconomic zone, and any other nation affected by its collapse has to answer, is do they allow the same old faces, who helped thier houses of cards collapse, to rule them still, or do they rise and take the power back to the streets , where it belongs?

reply to post by TrueBrit


Amen brother!

I would like to add that we must do all in our power to effect peaceful change first. Ask any combat veteran who as seen a war torn country if they want to see us devolve into a chaotic civil war? And they will tell you NO! That would be more dangerous to allowing dictatorship then the current government criminals IMO.

People are waking slowly but it is exponential compared to ten years ago and is accelerating. It may not be as fast as many of us hope for but it will happen in the next few years. And if enough people wake up we won't need violence. Still the economic crisis is a wild card. Get enough former middle class people homeless with nothing left to lose and we may not be able to prevent it.

Something needs to level the playing field though and hopefully it will. Either way we are in for some rough times but I am confident we will come out the other side all the better for it.

Originally posted by TrueBrit
reply to post by sara123123

 

If your nations citizens cannot see that thier petty and frankly meaningless biases are tools that the powerful use to control them, then perhaps survival just isnt on the cards for them. In all honesty survival, and the retaking of the power by the people , for the people is dependant on people realising that regardless of dogma and political leaning, we are one , and stronger together than we are apart.
That goes for every group in any given nation. Insisting that there are just two groups who deserve some slice of the land pie is insane! Theres way more happening than left and right, way more than consitutional and globalist. For one thing, being a fan of the constitution of the USA does not preclude one from believing that the world works better when everyone works toward common goals. It may set rules about how far one can go down that road, but it does not make it mutualy exclusive.
Next you will be saying there should be a collection of towns in the South where only white folks can go, just so the Klan have somewhere to be ! Ridiculous and utterly superfuous.
What the people of the USA need to do is realise that thier very political leanings are the tools by which they are controled, and they need , just like the people of every nation , to rise up, to take down the banners of thier overlords, and together lay foundations for a new method of political function, which allows the people to prevent things being done in thier name, or to them, which they disagree with, without delay, and without lawyers and lobbies and crucialy without money being involved in the process.
Thats something which you dont need to like a person in order to help bring about. You do it because it needs doing, not because you agree with the person standing next to you. You do what you do because you DONT agree with the men in the suits who make the choices for you, and get it wrong every time.
Basicaly where individual political concerns are involved, prioritise . Prioritise or die from inaction. Its a simple choice.

There is a tad bit of difference than "dogma" between a constitutional Republic and a socialist centralized government. That is what tears apart the United States which you as a Brit, have little understanding about. We have the majority of our society yelling "back off, quit spending our money, quit social engineering, leave us alone, obey the rule of law (the constitution)" and we the elite and a minority of society begging "give us free stuff, take the other guy's money from him, control his behavior and mind..." The two are not reconcilable. You are either free or you are not free. You are either enslaved by the elite who run an all powerful government or you are not enslaved to their power and will.

In Europe people are in the streets angry because they want more "free" stuff than the socialist government can afford to give to them at the moment. We will have some of that in the cities and a lot among the corrupt internationalist elite (only 15% of Americans name themselves liberal/socialist/progressive), but generally, Americans are not socialists. The unions in the US are largely government employees and they can be easily busted and have little support from the taxpayers.

So you are not going to see us lining up behind a socialist movement for more free stuff - more government spending and more government power over us. You have a whole different tradition of serving as angry peasants demanding stuff from an all powerful royalty. We have the tradition of cutting the royality off from centralized power over us through war - not protest.

You are right that it does not matter what the US people do versus what Europeans do. We are different than Europeans although we care about Europeans as friends. We don't want to be you and no doubt, you don't want to be us. That is the problem with globalism - the elite work to dissolved National idenities and cultures pretending that everyone is like everyone a stupid peasant with no history like everyone else.

And really, comparing the constitutional Republic to the KKK in the South is the height of history revision's ignorance. The consttituion was violated to make segregation possible by the same idiots that are violating it today in the name of socialism, globalism and the war on "domestic" terror.

reply to post by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi


Well you said it yourself.. you were raised to resist. So now everything you see is interpreted in terms of this.

That's all well and good... but I was raised to be happy. While you silly monkeys go fight your fecal battles I'm going to be over here having fun with the females and banana beer...

Originally posted by sara123123

There is a tad bit of difference than "dogma" between a constitutional Republic and a socialist centralized government. That is what tears apart the United States which you as a Brit, have little understanding about.

I am well versed in the political history and the culture of all modern nations. Not being from a nation does not exclude one from making informed comment on the issues at hand. I also understand that in a choice between getting raped by your government , and stuffing the government in favour of a properly democratic system you have a very simple descision before you. Either put up and shut up, or get rid of the rot at the top and start fresh with some real solid people power. Its either that or have your lives and your money spent by people who dont know the first thing about the people they claim to represent , and end up broken by a state which sees you as statistics.

We have the majority of our society yelling "back off, quit spending our money, quit social engineering, leave us alone, obey the rule of law (the constitution)" and we the elite and a minority of society begging "give us free stuff, take the other guy's money from him, control his behavior and mind..." The two are not reconcilable. You are either free or you are not free. You are either enslaved by the elite who run an all powerful government or you are not enslaved to their power and will.

Agreed , that is the state of affairs. However, as I have said, the answer is to force that elite minority out of government , remove thier power back to the citizens, back to the streets. That way they cannot take from one hand and give to another, because they will no longer be in power. If the citizenry take over, they can install laws which prevent persons who held power, from holding office or changing the nation without the express permission of the people. The way this would differ from the current method, is that with mere voting, you just choose who screws you next. In the new way, it would be better to vote on individual issues, as a nation, rather than leaving that responsibility to one elite group of rich , mentaly stunted , culturaly retarded know nothings (the current players in government).

In Europe people are in the streets angry because they want more "free" stuff than the socialist government can afford to give to them at the moment. We will have some of that in the cities and a lot among the corrupt internationalist elite (only 15% of Americans name themselves liberal/socialist/progressive), but generally, Americans are not socialists. The unions in the US are largely government employees and they can be easily busted and have little support from the taxpayers.

In Europe people are in the streets and angry because the various governments, of entirely different political systems within the European Union have been STEALING from the public for decades, and are now taking peoples jobs away from them, deliberately. The EU itself may appear to be a socialism, but the governments which operate under that umbrella are not. From individual country to country, there are massive swings from leftist liberal attitudes, all the way back to right wing fascism, and every single spot on the political compass in between. To generalise when speaking of Europe is a massive mistake, because if you researched the subject at all before commenting, you would realise that although Europe is governed from Brussels, the nations of which it is made are MASSIVELY varied in terms of thier political and cultural differences. Britains system of government for instance, like its law courts , opperate completely differently to those of Italy or Greece for example.
Here in Britain , it is true that the students have been up in arms over the insane increases in university tuition fees. But that is because we in this country believe that everyone, regardless of thier financial history, has an unarguable right to be the best that they can be. For those who are prepared to spend many years in study to attain a degree in a subject, and crucialy those who contribute MOST in the future to tax, and to the nation as a whole, we believe that those persons ought to recieve that education without having to kill themselves under mountains of debt. It is only the worry over money which kept me away from university , being from a poor background, and that was BEFORE this enourmous increase. The people are not out in the streets because they want more free stuff. They are out in the streets because they want at the very least what thier parents had a right to, and what thier grandparents had a right to. In short they are in the streets because things are getting progressively worse, not better, than they were many years ago, because our rights are being erroded every day , because the government spends more money for less benifit to the people every single year, and its getting beyond a joke. Thats not demanding free stuff, its demanding that our taxes are spent correctly , rather than being thrown down the drain the minuite HMRC (revenue and customs) get thier paws on it.

So you are not going to see us lining up behind a socialist movement for more free stuff - more government spending and more government power over us. You have a whole different tradition of serving as angry peasants demanding stuff from an all powerful royalty. We have the tradition of cutting the royality off from centralized power over us through war - not protest.

I think you have forgotten some key factors of British history, if you truely think that we have a tradition of angry peasantry here in Britain. We had ourselves a lovely little civil war over just the issue of the monarchy, and since then our country has been run by politicians, with the monarchs as mere figureheads (pretty decent ones if the example of the Queen is anything to go by). The war that seperated the monarchy from power here was not a protest march that got out of hand. It was a full scale war, and there was no hiding from it on any corner or coast of the nation. If you imagine a civil war re-enactment , taking place in a phone booth, thats pretty much what we had here. In terms of tradition, we know war. Hell we were the only people in Europe who knew how to do it properly for several centuaries, with a navy that was the envy of the entire continent of Europe!

You are right that it does not matter what the US people do versus what Europeans do. We are different than Europeans although we care about Europeans as friends. We don't want to be you and no doubt, you don't want to be us. That is the problem with globalism - the elite work to dissolved National idenities and cultures pretending that everyone is like everyone a stupid peasant with no history like everyone else.

You may be different, but your political elite are not, cut from the very same cloth as those who run Europe, and Britain. We have the same problem, and therefore the same solution must surely present itself. If the powerful and corrupt folk with whom the average citizen has a problem are not removed from power, in all aspects, and in all nations affected by thier tyranny then in the end, nothing will be achieved.

And really, comparing the constitutional Republic to the KKK in the South is the height of history revision's ignorance. The consttituion was violated to make segregation possible by the same idiots that are violating it today in the name of socialism, globalism and the war on "domestic" terror.

I am not comparing them , I am saying that extending the right to isolationism to one societal group, means that you have to do it to ALL societal groups. Ultimately isolationism leads to cultural retardation, an inability to value that which comes from outside, and in the end you get North Korea, who havent heard anything positive about the rest of the world for the better part of a centuary. Your constitution does not recommend that if it is threatened , that it be taken by its most zealous followers and used to set up a segregated commune of like minds! A constitutional republic would be most unhelpful in the wider course of things, and would by no means solve the problem. Removing corrupt people from government is the ONLY effective course of action, if real positive change is to be made.

I have post this in another thread but might as well post it here.

So many Alarm Bells.

The point of no return has come to pass. Guess we keep carry on until we have to react instead of anticipate when TSHTF event arrives.


Alarm Bells. Farrow-Williams-Lindsday-Svali-Jones-Ventura, this thread etc etc. Wiki- Vatican- bam bam bam bam. We keep being hit with Alarm Bell after Alarm Bell.

Its better to think ahead, then discuss every Alarm Bell.
Its how I play chess, almost never loose.

Fake attack from the left, response is they move away thinking danger comes from the right. But they moved just in line of my Queen/ horse/ tower. Don't become predictable.

We are very predictable. Celente(When people lose everything the loose it) V for Vendetta shooting/ Man jumps from balcony-London.

What are we waiting for? You have to assume that nobody is going to help us, is this the track you want to progress on?

Please say no to the New World Order, and act upon it.

Stay home, go to your neighbours. Go watch Dual survival. Start living with each other.
Stay home work for yourselves, make time by stopping participating in the system.

What happens? They will knock on your door, pay this jail that, then you neighbour comes to help.
The whole street comes to help. We are stronger then any institution.
Its better to face it now, then be put on the train to FEMA with all those coffins(another Alarm Bell)

Originally posted by whaaa
Generalities don't cut it when you talk of revolution. Who will be the leaders? Beck, Rush, Savage....

What's the plan?

u would love to know the plan in advance
wouldn't you ??? lol

I have news for you,
continuity of government
protocols have vulnerabilities
just like any other empire.