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Originally posted by IAMIAM
[ So, I here by declare her a Shaman of the Tribe of Man.
As I am the only one who seems to recognise this tribe, there is no one to dispute me declaring her a Shaman of said tribe.
Anyone else want to be a Shaman of the Tribe of Man? If so, it is so, free of charge.
Originally posted by zcflint05
"The Message Is Good"? What is so good about bozo Norway Spiral predictions, just because she's making 2012 predictions that "is good"? What, like the basic "lie" that the death of the gulf stream would somehow create an ecological disaster? That is a LIE, end of story.
It is with deep regret that we publish this report. We do not take this responsibility lightly, as the consequences of the following observations are of such great import and have such far-reaching ramifications for the entire planet. Truly, the fate of the oceans of the world hangs in the balance, as does the future of humankind.
The Gulf of Mexico (GOM) does not exist in isolation and is, in fact, connected to the Seven Seas. Hence, we publish these findings in order that the world community will come together to further contemplate this dire and demanding predicament. We also do so with the hope that an appropriate global response will be formulated, and acted upon, for the sake of future generations. It is the most basic responsibility for every civilization to leave their world in a better condition than that which they inherited from their forbears.
Originally posted by Anam Gra
Ive been reading through the posts on this thread and, for the life of me, I cant understand what is wrong with this woman charging money for the work she does. Morally what is wrong with providing a service and asking for some renumeration. Psychotherapists do it, MD's do it, politicians do it, law enforcement does it, is there anyone out there who doesnt get paid for the work that they do. She makes good points, her message is fundamentally good, why not get paid? She, like the rest of us has to make a living, am I missing a fundamental unwritten code that says if the message is spiritual, the person cant expect some form of payment? She obviously has some native american roots, she has something to say that relates to native american philosophy, is she a shaman? does she regard herself as a shaman? Does anyone definitively know? What are the overall Sioux community authorities saying about this? If she hasnt been conveyed shaman status by the tribe, then she shouldnt be using the title, obviously, but at this stage how much do we know? Too many questions in relation to this, limited concrete answers. Does any one know if this woman is definitely a fraud, or are you all jumping on the negativity bandwagon?? Whats your thoughts?
Originally posted by St Udio
...and i was in deep thought about your stipulation that the little grandmother encourage others to plant 'fruit' trees in her position as an Earth shaman...does that have any connection or synchronicity with the repeal of 'Don't Ask don't Tell'
Originally posted by Anam Gra
Ive been reading through the posts on this thread and, for the life of me, I cant understand what is wrong with this woman charging money for the work she does. Morally what is wrong with providing a service and asking for some renumeration.
She obviously has some native american roots,
she has something to say that relates to native american philosophy,
is she a shaman?
does she regard herself as a shaman?
Does anyone definitively know?
What are the overall Sioux community authorities saying about this?
February 4, 2010 Guru Indicted in 3 Deaths at Arizona Sweat Lodge By RANDAL C. ARCHIBOLD LOS ANGELES — A New Age motivational speaker who led a sweat lodge ceremony in Arizona last year in which three people died was indicted Wednesday on manslaughter charges despite his claims he did nothing wrong. James A. Ray, president of James Ray International, a multimillion-dollar company in Carlsbad, Calif., that promises followers a path to “harmonic wealth in all areas of your life,” was arrested at a law office in Prescott, Ariz., not far from the Sedona retreat where the fatal Oct. 8 ceremony was held. He was jailed in lieu of $5 million bond, said a statement by Sheriff Steve Waugh of Yavapai County. Sheriff Waugh said he “hopes the families of the three victims will now have some measure of closure to this tragedy.” He declined to be interviewed. The victims, Kirby Brown, 38, of Westtown, N.Y.; James Shore, 40, of Milwaukee; and Liz Neuman, 49, of Prior Lake, Minn., were overcome in the two-hour “spiritual warrior” ceremony, in which hot rocks were placed inside a tent so the 55 participants could sweat out whatever was ailing their souls. Twenty others suffered heat-related injuries. Participants have said Mr. Ray ignored signs that people were falling into distress in the pitch-dark tent and said things like “it’s a good day to die” in his zeal to keep the ceremony going. Several lawsuits have alleged negligence and fraud. Virginia Brown, Ms. Brown’s mother, said Wednesday in an interview, “This indictment does not bring my daughter back, so it is very upsetting.” Denouncing Mr. Ray as a “fraud,” she added, “James Ray teaches that people need to take responsibility for their actions, and he clearly has not done that.” Mr. Ray had recently taken his case to the court of public opinion, with his lawyers issuing lengthy letters last month providing their account of what happened and asserting that many damaging statements made by witnesses to the police were inaccurate or taken out of context. They likened Mr. Ray to a driven coach but one who did not commit any crime and did what he could after learning people were in trouble. Mr. Ray said as much in an interview with New York magazine in its Jan. 24 issue; he displayed the article on his Web site. A lawyer for Mr. Ray, Luis Li, called the charges unjust and said “this was a terrible accident — but it was an accident, not a criminal act.” “James Ray cooperated at every step of the way, providing information and witnesses to the authorities showing that no one could have foreseen this accident,” Mr. Li said, adding, “We will now present this evidence in a court of law, and we are confident that Mr. Ray will be exonerated.” He has been a high-profile self-help guru for years, with free seminars and frequent television appearances that recruit hundreds of followers to paid events. The five-day retreat, at the Angel Valley Spiritual Retreat Center, was among many held in Sedona, whose red rocks and mountains emit mystical energy to some, and simply peace and solace to others. A program for the retreat told participants “that your future holds the most difficult battles, as well as the greatest of victories.” It went on, “As you can imagine, Spiritual Warrior will push you beyond your perceived limits.”
Originally posted by Thunder heart woman
reply to post by sylvie
This is true. There are many running around charging for ceremonies like Adam Yellowbird. He is a shame to his people. We have alot of Mayans claiming to be grandfathers or daykeepers. I had a friend go to a meet up to see Hun Batz Men who is another one claiming to be a daykeeper. She ended up meeting up with him down in the Yucatan and found out that this man is abusive and beats his dogs. People have to be careful. Just because someone tells you they are a leader or are an important wisdom keeper doesn't make it so. Dhyani is a well known swindler as is Mary Thunder. Or Elizabeth Mary Thunder who runs her fake sweat lodges for money.
edit on 4-1-2011 by Thunder heart woman because: additional info
Originally posted by Anam Gra
Ive been reading through the posts on this thread and, for the life of me, I cant understand what is wrong with this woman charging money for the work she does. Morally what is wrong with providing a service and asking for some renumeration. Psychotherapists do it, MD's do it, politicians do it, law enforcement does it, is there anyone out there who doesnt get paid for the work that they do. She makes good points, her message is fundamentally good, why not get paid? She, like the rest of us has to make a living, am I missing a fundamental unwritten code that says if the message is spiritual, the person cant expect some form of payment? She obviously has some native american roots, she has something to say that relates to native american philosophy, is she a shaman? does she regard herself as a shaman? Does anyone definitively know? What are the overall Sioux community authorities saying about this? If she hasnt been conveyed shaman status by the tribe, then she shouldnt be using the title, obviously, but at this stage how much do we know? Too many questions in relation to this, limited concrete answers. Does any one know if this woman is definitely a fraud, or are you all jumping on the negativity bandwagon?? Whats your thoughts?
Originally posted by Byrd
Originally posted by Anam Gra
What are the overall Sioux community authorities saying about this?
I can't speak for them but I do know that what she's teaching is a type of New Age Spiritualism mixed with Christianity and is nothing at all like the Sioux original traditions. I suspect you'll find they're pretty hopped up about her, too.
I am enrolled with the Yanktonai Hunkpati Dakota nation of Crow Creek, South Dakota. We, the Dakota/Lakota/Nakota nations do not claim this woman. This woman needs to be stopped immediately. Women are not considered ready until they have passed their menopause to become medicine women. The menstrual cycle of women has too much power to be mixing with traditional ways. When women are on their moontime, they are obligated to stay away from partaking in ceremony.
Wade Croweedit on 27-2-2011 by quicksilverwade because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Asktheanimals
I think it is time for the real shamans to come forward and speak to the world through the internet, they have messages of great importance to us all.
Should they fail to do so they may be losing the last chance they have for mankind to know what lies ahead for us all.
Originally posted by IAMIAM
Hypocrites!