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Kiesha Crowther under investigation as fraud. Salish and Kootenai tribe releases statement.

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posted on Dec, 29 2010 @ 05:25 AM
Apparently the Salish and Kootenai tribe released a statement in regards to Kiesha Crowther's claims to have been made a shaman over their tribe:

Official Statement from Salish Elders Regarding Kiesha Crowther

"The Culture and Elders Committee of the Confederated Salish and Kootenai Tribes of the Flathead Reservation protect the intangible cultural resources of the tribes including language, songs, stories etc.

"No tribal Elders or elders have met with nor do they condone the claims and actions made by Kiesha Crowther.

"She is not their 'shaman', she has no right to claim this title and the Elders and elders of CSKT of the Flathead Reservation would like her to cease and desist immediately from making such false claims that erode the traditions that members of the CSKT Culture and Elders Committee are trying to preserve."

The posting of this statement came with the permission and urging of the Salish elders. Anyone doubting this message's authenticity can contact the Flathead Reservation.

This statement was posted and released through the NAFPS website:

There is a video that has been released by an Oglala woman who is opposed to Kiesha Crowther's use of Native American Spirituality and her charging for ceremonies. This is a very powerful and interesting video in regards to that situation:

posted on Dec, 29 2010 @ 05:40 AM
reply to post by Aisling

Wow, this is really scandalous. This woman travels the world telling people that she is truely 'good' that she has provenance and should be trusted, and then it turns out she lied about even the most basic part of her story #
what a charlatan.

I think that her message no matter how 'well intended' is bogus if she is a liar: this is disgusting news for crowther fans im sure.
edit on 29-12-2010 by Lagrimas because: spelling error

posted on Dec, 29 2010 @ 05:50 AM
reply to post by Lagrimas

I have watched some of her videos, she seems genuine or speaking from the heart. I have also noticed errors in her messages, like the Gulf of Mexico being dead, It's messed up but not dead by a long shot. She just seemed to be only vaguely familiar with worldwide events and made mistakes in conveying her message.

I do think she needs to be upfront on who her mother is/was as it is important to have the full info on her lineage. Not all Shamans will follow there tribal governments as some may see them as sell outs to this world and have forgotten the old ways.

It would not be surprising if a honest and true holy person could be used by others.

Im not defending her, but many reservation governments are more concerned about the next casino project, than mother Earth.

edit on 29-12-2010 by LDragonFire because: (no reason given)

posted on Dec, 29 2010 @ 06:12 AM
well this is a bit surtprising.

could it be a cia trick to discredit her? just thinkin out loud.

if she is a fraud, then why haven't the elders of what ever tribes got together and done something genuine?.. is 2012 a fairy tale??

is this all hot air then?-

i bet the cia are havin a right field day fookin around with info...?

posted on Dec, 29 2010 @ 06:20 AM
reply to post by WHOS READY

men with false credentials are called Charlatan...(see: Charlatan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
A charlatan is a person practicing quackery or some similar confidence trick in order to obtain money, fame or other advantages via some form of pretense or deception. - Cached)

what are women called?

ever hear tell of a Elizabeth Claire Prophet

posted on Dec, 29 2010 @ 06:23 AM
reply to post by St Udio

cant say i have.

posted on Dec, 29 2010 @ 07:46 AM
reply to post by Aisling

well wether she is a charlatan or not the premise of what she is trying to convey is correct...we do need to start looking after our planet ...i mean you dont pollute your home?, leave rubbish lying strewn around your home?, u dont s**t where you eat? why do we treat the earth differently? isnt the earth our home?

what i dont agree with is her charging money, if she was a truly selfless person who truly did care for "mother earth" then she wouldnt be accepting money to spread her story....but then again we all have to eat right?

in short i agree with what she says but i dont agree with the way shes going about it.
edit on 29-12-2010 by NWOnoworldorder because: (no reason given)

posted on Dec, 29 2010 @ 07:48 AM
reply to post by LDragonFire

Your claim doesn't hold water.

I don't live on a reservation but I hold the same venom for people who go around calling themselves members of my tribe when they can't even prove that they have indian blood.

I don't care for casinos.

posted on Dec, 29 2010 @ 08:05 AM
This angers me.

I have never heard of her, and I am sure she has a positive message... but what a shame that she cannot see through the true prison of money. Can't blame her really, because now-a-days you can't change the world without making money it seems...

But still, it is very dishonorable to have the tribes deny any affiliation.

Also, a note about the Casinos...

Yes, it is unfortunate. But on the other hand, Montana tribes have been incredibly poor and living in poverty. Instead of placing blame on the adapting tribes(to the debt money system), we must blame the game.

Tribes need to issue their own currencies, and teach the ready and willing crowd their true traditions - instead of letting some lady usurp their honor in a debt economy that should have nothing to do with the original inhabitants of this land.

Each tribe should be just as sovereign as the Vatican is... such a shame the humans of this planet are so corrupt. It will be our downfall if we don't correct it.

Very depressing.

ETA: And I apologize if I should be using the term 'Nation' instead of 'tribe'... I may be mistaken on the semantics - but it is an important distinction.
edit on 29-12-2010 by beebs because: (no reason given)

posted on Dec, 29 2010 @ 08:10 AM
reply to post by The Sword

I stand corrected, not casino's but a bank.

Eagle Bank History

posted on Dec, 29 2010 @ 08:14 AM
It would appear my initial misgivings were true. Keisha is another new age indian wannabe spiritual leader. While this does not entirely make her messages untrue, it does throw up a warning sign to all who listen to her talks,
This is really sad and I'm surprised it has taken this long for her to be found out.

I think it is time for the real shamans to come forward and speak to the world through the internet, they have messages of great importance to us all.
Should they fail to do so they may be losing the last chance they have for mankind to know what lies ahead for us all.

Shame on you for lying to us Keisha.
Even if your intentions are good you cannot excuse this misrepresentation you have made.
It is time to come clean publicly.

posted on Dec, 29 2010 @ 08:19 AM
i've been warning about this woman, and what my hopi elder friend has said every time and in every thread i see her mentioned in.
in no way would i wish this woman harm, i just look forward to her being exposed as the fraud many of us knew she was.
edit on 29-12-2010 by rubbertramp because: (no reason given)

posted on Dec, 29 2010 @ 08:26 AM
I think Kiesha has a good message in general, but it is ruined by her appropriation of Native American traditions. It's hard to respect someone who's already been caught lying.

posted on Dec, 29 2010 @ 08:28 AM
reply to post by Aisling

It's about time.

Keisha is a total opportunist and rip-off artist charging upwards of $295.00 to listen to her lies.
Check out my thread from a few months ago and play those two videos. Her voice and demeanor changed remarkably! Probably when she realized the heat was on and the tribe was closing in on her!!

posted on Dec, 29 2010 @ 08:39 AM
Having watched a few of her videos & read about her here on ATS just a few weeks ago I have to say I was convinced, I was looking forward to the full disclouse event of Alien life forms presenting themselves. That all went out the window when in one of her videos she showed her Initiation ceremony. It showed her & a bunch (Maybe 12 People Max) of, what I can only describe as white, hippy like people including children dancing around a fire in some wilderness, I said to myself, where are all the indigenous people she claims who now see here as a shaman. I didnt watch anymore, I turned it off, I said to myself, something aint right here & now you have posted this telling me she is a fraud. I dont want to believe it but now i know what i felt in my heart that very moment I saw her dancing like some hew age hippy from the 60's on acid dancing around a fire was, now I know what my heart & head was telling me was indeed true.

posted on Dec, 29 2010 @ 08:47 AM
Any one read her statement on her website: I LoL'd

Official Statement Regarding Native American Issues

Recently, Kiesha called the tribal council office to inquire about her official standing in the tribe. She was surprised to hear that Falling Feathers had not acted with the permission of the tribal council and therefore could not necessarily convey tribal authority.
Kiesha had no reason to doubt that her initiation came with full authority and recognition. For that reason and because tribal members were referred to her as shaman in the first year of her initiation, she spoke in her first talks of being made a “shaman for the Sioux and Salish” people.


The attempt at covering her tracks is now underway
edit on 29-12-2010 by DarthPhobos because: (no reason given)

posted on Dec, 29 2010 @ 08:56 AM
reply to post by DarthPhobos


you mean she was lied too as well?!!............

posted on Dec, 29 2010 @ 09:04 AM
reply to post by Khaaaaaan!!

I bet she feels like a right dumbass now,

all those talks she gave in that way too chilled out voice, talking as though she was the one, she must of went to bed every night thinking she was so mighty & on or around christmas day the realisation kicked in that she is nothing special, I would almost feel sorry for her if it wasnt so funny, wonder when she began suspecting that made her make that call?

But how dumb do you have to be to believe a phone call saying "Your the one". So you give up your life, fly to the wilderness, meet up with more white folk & dance around fires. Did she never ask, where are all the indiginous people, what drugs was she on. Damn it sure shows how dumb some people can be if she really did fall for it. Still possible she made it up along to make a few bucks

Note For Self:
When/if I get the call proclaiming me to be "The One", ask to be givien a test drive in the Matrix.
edit on 29-12-2010 by DarthPhobos because: (no reason given)

posted on Dec, 29 2010 @ 09:23 AM

Originally posted by Aisling
I think Kiesha has a good message in general, but it is ruined by her appropriation of Native American traditions. It's hard to respect someone who's already been caught lying.

yes, and this is exactly what pissed off the natives.
much of her message is that of the elders and traditional.
she just stole those words and basically claimed it was ok through a lie.

posted on Dec, 29 2010 @ 09:50 AM
Her message was a good one, to be more loving to one another, to love the land and this existence. Unfortunately, it is tainted by the pursuit of wealth and personal gain. These drives are powerful and I do not judge her for succumbing to them, many do.

While I would never advise anyone to pay for one of her workshops, ceremonies, or prayer services, please do not loose the underlying message to her experience. Love one another, this existence, and the temptation for wealth and personal gain is strong, strong enough to deceive one another.

Plant fruit bearing trees instead of crystals. The trees can actually feed people, the crystals only feed the ego.

With Love,

Your Brother

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