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Originally posted by Bendii
reply to post by impaired
Jesus is mentioned quite a few time in the Holy Qur'an. As a righteous prophet, his birth, as a messenger to Israel and other passages. too.
Originally posted by NthOther
I saw a bumper sticker the other day that would be appropriate to share in this thread:
"I love Jesus. It's his followers who scare me."
The biggest problem I have with Christianity is that it basically tells everyone they were born bad people, through no fault of their own, and we all must now adhere to a certain doctrine that is the only path to redemption.
That sounds more like a social control mechanism than anything to do with enlightenment or salvation. I suppose the original sin concept, and it's use for social manipulation, could be applied to any Abrahamic religion, but since we're talking about Christianity...
I believe all human beings are inherently good, not sinners from birth. The opposite belief, that it is "human nature" to do evil, is a learned belief and reinforced by society to make you think that all hell would break loose if there weren't religions and governments to maintain some semblance of order (religion and government were once one and the same, remember--some would argue it still is). It is also used as justification for evil behavior. There is no such legitimacy.
But that's just my two cents.
I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ. Mohandas Gandhi
Originally posted by The Djin
reply to post by freedish
Here's some food for thought: If God doesn't exist, then why do you care about disproving Him?
As there is no proof that a god exists then there is nothing to disprove
seriously think about this... If everyone believes that a pink flying unicorn ruled Saturn you wouldn't spend anytime trying to debunk that or even debate it. You wouldn't even care. You would just ignore it because it's ridiculous.
Indeed, as ridiculous as a man living inside a fish, or a god killing himself to try and get its' creation to cooperate Nevertheless The supporters of the Pink Flying Unicorn don't instruct homosexuals or naughty boys to be put to death, neither do they demand that slaves be beaten in a certain way.
Indeed the supporters of The Pink Flying Unicorn don't stalk my children every-time my back is turned in order to brainwash them into joining their cult.
I just simply don't care...
So why bother entering the discussion ?
Think about it...
Originally posted by GTORick
reply to post by Bendii
In comparison, Catholics believe in both Tradition and the Bible, just to name one difference.
Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
reply to post by freedish
Contradictions? Compare the claims of fulfilled prophecies in the Gospels to the old testament, a lot of them are either quote-mines, fabrications, or distortions. Or just compare the lists of the Apostles named in each gospel, there are differences. Or look at the time where Jesus quotes the 10 commandments...with a commandment that doesn't exist. Or his statement that a generation wouldn't pass before his prophecies came to pass...and we're what...a few hundred generations later?
Or look at the story of Exodus. Look at how often all the livestock die. It's like Yahweh keeps bringing them back to life after each plague that kills them.
Originally posted by WJjeeper
3) why do we send hate mail to well known scientists and darwinists? do you like constantly being mocked and attempted to be proven wrong? if there was a person following you around, telling you that you suck, what you believe is wrong and constantly contradicting your beliefs, what would you do? i would punch that # in the throat as hard as i could. and you cant say you wouldnt do much different.
Originally posted by muzzleflash
Originally posted by freedish
Sorry if this is a 'typical christian memorized answer' (whatever) but it's really not a religion man. It's a relationship. How would you like to have God living inside of you communicating to you everyday, and getting to know who He truly is. Man you could go your whole life without going to church and you'd still get into heaven...because it's not about what you do ...its about what Jesus did.
Therein lies the conundrum.
The Bible clearly states that "God" is omnipotent and omnipresent.
Omnipresence means that it is EVERYWHERE. Every square inch of the universe is occupied by "God". By definition.
So you asking me "How would you like to have God living inside of you" is kind of absurd.
God already lives inside of me and inside of all things.
And the Bible also clearly indicates that "Heaven" is the sky above us (outer space). It's not some mystical make believe place in your mind. It's wide open outer space.
That's why I don't take religion seriously, because 99% of people do not even bother to read or think about it. Yet they will go around preaching it. Even though they don't realize the ultimate points of what they just read.
Like so many others, your views about God are warped by the sins and evilness of humanity.
Humans are evil,
God is not-
adjective 1. morally wrong or bad; immoral; wicked: evil deeds; an evil life.
2. harmful; injurious: evil laws.
3. characterized or accompanied by misfortune or suffering; unfortunate; disastrous: to be fallen on evil days.
4. due to actual or imputed bad conduct or character: an evil reputation.
5. marked by anger, irritability, irascibility, etc.: He is known for his evil disposition.
get this through your head because it IS the truth. It doesn't matter what kind of doctrine we follow we are all still evil.
God says our rightousness apart from Him is like filthy rags.
You know as well as I that Christianity doesn't demand killing of homosexual boys- stop taking the bible out of context.
And if you didn't know that YOU NEED TO READ THE BIBLE AGAIN.