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Originally posted by Chett
reply to post by Erongaricuaro
I agree, got much better health care outside the US, and for a lot less money. The ccost is high in the US for several reasons ..the seperation of payer and cost ...most people who have insurance never even see those bills so the buyer has no real choice power to effect the market. Second the risk to the medical staff to get sued ..they pay huge insurance. OH and a third, the huge bills they owe when they finish school - but thats whole nother subject.
Originally posted by stumason
Or, to put it more accurately, look after number 1 and sod everyone else!
Whatever happened to a sense of SOCIAL RESPONSIBILITY? Caring for your fellow man, working to better society? Or has it got to such a stage that, in the US at least, you'r only goal in life is to look after your own arse and sod everyone else?
EDIT: Your blaming the poor guy for firstly being unemployed and secondly having the front to get ill! I am not sure you could be any more callous.
Originally posted by gncnew
Be thankful you live in a country where they will treat you first then, and a country where we don't have debtor's prisons. You got treated.... and you only make $50 a month (by the way, what the hell is paying you $50 a month? And where are you getting internet access at if you only make that much?).
Bottom line is that our medical bills are that high because people like you who cannot or will not pay their bill.
They have to over bill everyone to make up the difference.
Originally posted by groingrinder
reply to post by endtimer
IRich people come from the world over to purchase American medical care. Yet poor Americans die by the thousands each year who cannot afford American medical care.
perhaps he can arrange for AHCCCS to provide nanny care and change those diapers on a regular basis
Originally posted by groingrinder
I had an EKG and a urine test and a ultrasound. Plus some intravenous pain killer. My hands are shaking uncontrollably right now because I am so ticked off. MEDICINE SHOULD NOT COST THIS MUCH. I have lost my job and make $50.00 dollars a month. To be fair I must say that Banner Baywood discounted my bill by $8,000.00 so that my final bill is only $3,000.00, but I still cannot pay that when I only have fifty bucks a month coming in. I owe the Radiologist $460.00 dollars for their test and I still have not gotten the bill from the ER doctor who will bill separately. I will update this thread after I talk to the financial responsibility representative from Banner Baywood.
And wait patients must. A hospital survey of five countries (United States, Canada, New Zealand, United Kingdom and Australia), conducted by Robert Blendon and colleagues in Health Affairs found that “waits of six months or more for elective surgeries were reported to occur ‘very often’ or ‘often’ by 26–57 percent of executives in the four non-U.S. countries; only 1 percent of U.S. hospitals reported this. Half of all Canadian hospitals reported an average waiting time of over six months for a 65-year-old male requiring a routine hip replacement; no American hospital administrators reported waits this long.
Holmes is Canadian, but the "they" she refers to are doctors at the Mayo Clinic in the United States, where she turned after specialists in her own government-run health care system would not see her fast enough.
"My family doctor at that time tried to get me in to see an endocrinologist and a neurologist," Holmes recalled. "It was going to be four months for one specialist and six months for the other."
Hospitals in border cities, including Detroit, are forging lucrative arrangements with Canadian health agencies to provide care not widely available across the border.
Agreements between Detroit hospitals and the Ontario Ministry of Health and Long-Term Care for heart, imaging tests, bariatric and other services provide access to some services not immediately available in the province, said ministry spokesman David Jensen.
My health-care prejudices crumbled not in the classroom but on the way to one. On a subzero Winnipeg morning in 1997, I cut across the hospital emergency room to shave a few minutes off my frigid commute. Swinging open the door, I stepped into a nightmare: the ER overflowed with elderly people on stretchers, waiting for admission. Some, it turned out, had waited five days. The air stank with sweat and urine. Right then, I began to reconsider everything that I thought I knew about Canadian health care. I soon discovered that the problems went well beyond overcrowded ERs. Patients had to wait for practically any diagnostic test or procedure, such as the man with persistent pain from a hernia operation whom we referred to a pain clinic—with a three-year wait list; or the woman needing a sleep study to diagnose what seemed like sleep apnea, who faced a two-year delay; or the woman with breast cancer who needed to wait four months for radiation therapy, when the standard of care was four weeks.
Unfortunately, as a lifelong resident of Canada, getting medical care is no simple task. Luckily, you generally don't have a problem seeing your general practitioner -- unlike some 17 percent of your compatriots who do not have a GP, or what Americans call a primary care doctor. But seeing a specialist in your native land is almost always a nightmare.
Recently, a Canadian Premier (their version of Governor) had a heart problem. He could of had free health care, if he wanted long enough--but he decided he wanted to live instead. So he came to the United States for heart surgery. "An unapologetic Danny Williams says he was aware his trip to the United States for heart surgery earlier this month would spark outcry, but he concluded his personal health trumped any public fallout over the controversial decision.
Since Barack Obama was inaugurated President just over seven months ago, some 17,500 Canadian have come to the U.S. to receive health care. Just since the President’s health care legislation was introduced in the House of Representatives in March, about 12,500 Canadians have come here for health care. During that same period, how many Americans have travelled north to obtain health care in Canada because they couldn’t get it here in the States?
Originally posted by pisces77
reply to post by Sparky63
So you put yourself in the place of judging who should/should not receive healthcare?
Should we also judge who should/should not be breathing the air? Or who should have access to water? Or who should have access to seeds to grow their food?
Or...wait, sorry, we already do.