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I spent 3 hours in the ER on the 15th. I just got my $11,000.00 bill in the mail.

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posted on Dec, 29 2010 @ 11:30 AM
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Originally posted by Mirthful Me
So much for Deny Ignorance...

It's rather amusing to read all of the American bashing and denigration of healthcare coverage in this thread... The OP could have avoided the bill at the hospital if he had only applied for AHCCCS which is Arizona's Medicaid program. There would be no charge for an ER visit... None... Zero... Zilch... No bill to stick anywhere, no worries, nothing to bitch moan or complain about... There is one caveat... You have to be responsible enough to apply for AHCCCS in order to receive it... But I'm thinking if you are unemployed and only have $50.00 a month to your name you should be able to find time to fill out an application (and the OP's internet connection is not in question).

There's a time to grow up and act like an adult and this may be it... This may be some tough love, but to read five pages of ignorance and drivel that is devoid of reality begs a response... A reasoned and well grounded response.

Of coarse if you actually engage in the aforementioned mature conduct and properly guard your personal well being, you may not have much success with threads detailing personal experiences...

Sounds like a fair trade to me.




DO NOT JUMP THE GUN. I, in fact, have applied for AHCCCS. They start the application process upon admittance to the hospital and you finish it when you get home. I applied over the internet and faxed my relevant financial proof a day or two later. The fact is I did get the whopping bill from the hospital even though my AHCCCS application is pending. Climb down off the high horse dude. You have taken great liberties with my situation.

The fact still remains that the hospital expects $11,000.00 from somebody who spends 3 hours in the ER.
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posted on Dec, 29 2010 @ 11:33 AM
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Originally posted by MessOnTheFED!
reply to post by endtimer
 


I guess your one of the folks who dont really give a rats ass about anyone but yourself? If you dont see the total scheme going on all around you, you must be. Health care should be free PERIOD.

MOTF!



Please don't be ridiculous.

NOTHING IS FREE.

Because "living" is worth so much for us, the bastards can charge us so much.


I got 4 wisdom teeth removed and it cost me $2400. In countries like China, it would only be like $240.



posted on Dec, 29 2010 @ 11:34 AM
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very sad story indeed,
makes you think when they just knock *$8,000.00 off your bill
like it was a extra little bonus
you should come to canada =p
we atleast try and keep our people sick insted of just letting them die
we know a dead person cant pay debt



posted on Dec, 29 2010 @ 11:35 AM
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It is interesting that everyone does not understand our healthcare system? When you think about it we Americans already pay for healthcare. For our politians, fire and police, Military, teachers, government workers, state workers, welfare people, and don't forget our old people on Medicare. Is there anyone left?
Well Oh yes, all the working and business people that carry the burden of paying for everybody.When is it time to eliminate healthcare insurance and just pay the hospital, doctors and nurses.period! It could make for a better society and not be responsible for so many Americans going bankrupt.
It should just cost the same as what we are putting up now ! It will not be going into the politians or insurance Companies pockets. yea



posted on Dec, 29 2010 @ 11:36 AM
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I found that member post to you quite disingenuous. There was another further down the page with a similar sentiment. Your predicament has created quite a dialogue in this thread regarding the current state of the US medical system and what changes are needed to bring about an equality for all.



posted on Dec, 29 2010 @ 11:36 AM
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I hope you read this, and someone corrects me if I am wrong, but Medical Bills DO NOT go on your credit and the hospital cannot come and take your car or your house for non-payment. They overcharge and overcharge then harass to collect. I, fortunately have amazing insurance, but for those that don't and are American Tax Paying Citizens, I recommend you just pay an absolute minimum. $1/mo. They'll take what they can get and it will have no negative effect on your finances nor your credit report.



posted on Dec, 29 2010 @ 11:37 AM
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Depending on the medical institution / provider, unpaid medical bills will be reported on your credit report.

Also they can take you to small claims court and sue you for the money, if they win, they can then garnishee your wages.


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posted on Dec, 29 2010 @ 11:38 AM
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YES it is that bad. At least it is where I am, which is a rural area, new ideas are frowned upon. I think in more progressive areas it may not be so bad. I can count on ONE hand the folks I know who take the stance I do on these issues. For my troubles of trying to educate others, I am considered to be 'eccentric,' 'weird smart (i have no clue about that one),' and 'different' (said with an eye roll). I am amazed at how entrenched people are with their beliefs. The folks I'm around all day due to work worship FOX news. Hows that for painting a picture? And the sad thing? Most folks I am around are college-educated, supposedly the cream of the crop.
I learned long ago to not even mention the name Michael Moore...

he's a commie too, by the way. lol



posted on Dec, 29 2010 @ 11:43 AM
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It seems like there is only one group that have any real rights in America. That is the super rich.
The Golden Rule:
"Thou shalt not do anything that hinders a rich man from making a buck"
The wealthy are the golden cows of the society -- untouchables free to do what they want without recourse.

The working man? Stick him with all the bills even tho he can hardly pay his own. The poor? Well there's always the streets -- except not in nice areas where people shop. There you will be fined for being homeless.

No, I am not making this up for some soap opera. This is reality in the US in 2010.



posted on Dec, 29 2010 @ 11:44 AM
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You better check you bill to see if there are any $200 aspirins added to the tab.
I found this on one of my bills years ago when I had knee surgery. To make it worse they never even gave me the aspirins because I had an ulcer.
I am all for free enterprise but the medical system we have in the USA is unsustainable in my opinion.
Last year I spent $5,000 on medical insurance and never even went to the Dr. once.



posted on Dec, 29 2010 @ 11:45 AM
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I do know from direct experience that medical bills DO go on the credit report. Now some hospitals may have a good social worker or two who may call you to see if you want to do something like a charity application where some cost can be waived, I was told I didn't qualify because I was a college student. WTF? or they may just write it off.
but yes, it will affect the credit score, least it did with me. That was a blessing in disguise also, tho, because I was getting in the materialistic mode. It's been long enough to not really be affecting my score much now, but I was able to teach myself how to live withOUT credit cards, loans, etc. So now I'm trained to not buy unless I can pay right then and there. It's amazing how simple and easy it is to live that way.



posted on Dec, 29 2010 @ 11:46 AM
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exactly. right on.
it's a sad state of affairs.



posted on Dec, 29 2010 @ 11:56 AM
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With my stupid "socialist" mind i cannot stop wondering how one of the "most advanced" countries in the world can be like this.
I am perplexed at the lack of empathy and humanity expressed by some when it comes to this issue.
It's all good to have smart phones and stream useless information on fancy devices ans we are proud of our technological toys, but god forbid being willing to pay for another human being in need of healthcare....

I have no problem paying higher taxes to support a universal healthcare system ( as broken as it may be ),hoping that it will help another fellow human being in need.After all,that's how I see progress and civilization.



posted on Dec, 29 2010 @ 12:00 PM
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Originally posted by wayno
reply to post by dukeofwindsor
 


It seems like there is only one group that have any real rights in America. That is the super rich.
The Golden Rule:
"Thou shalt not do anything that hinders a rich man from making a buck"
The wealthy are the golden cows of the society -- untouchables free to do what they want without recourse.

The working man? Stick him with all the bills even tho he can hardly pay his own. The poor? Well there's always the streets -- except not in nice areas where people shop. There you will be fined for being homeless.

No, I am not making this up for some soap opera. This is reality in the US in 2010.


Um, the rich are taxed at a much higher percentage rate than the poor.



posted on Dec, 29 2010 @ 12:08 PM
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Originally posted by NWOnoworldorder
reply to post by groingrinder
 


might i suggest immigrating to the uk?...wether you work or not u will get FREE HEALTHCARE....if i was to have all that treatment it would have cost me....nothing....free!!


Sorry to burst your bubble but medical care is never free, someone pays for it somewhere.

Second
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posted on Dec, 29 2010 @ 12:11 PM
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Originally posted by endtimer

Originally posted by MessOnTheFED!
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I guess your one of the folks who dont really give a rats ass about anyone but yourself? If you dont see the total scheme going on all around you, you must be. Health care should be free PERIOD.

MOTF!


Oh, so I don't care about anyone and don't give a rats ass? I don't care about whining and sniveling
people that seem to want everything handed to them on a golden platter, that's what I don't give a
rats ass about. Health care ISN'T free. Only to welfare folks and those wanting more and more and
more entitlements that are paid for by the working stiffs that go to work everyday in this country,
and to illegal creeps that sneak into our country and demand everything free. I am not saying the
OP is any of the above, and don't try to tell me that is what I am saying. Until health care is truly
FREE, as you would demand, then pay your freaking bills and quit bitchin' to everyone else.



Please...anybody with a mind this base and unemphatic is not worth even wasting your time or effort on.
Only an insane mind attempts to reason with an insane mind.
Debating with human beings of this nature is about as productive as attempting to drain the ocean with a teaspoon. Just let him be.

"Leave them alone...they are blind..." Matthew 15:14



posted on Dec, 29 2010 @ 12:14 PM
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Agreed!

It's a country of cold robots, beeping along till their next McD's meal.
A mentality that will let a homeless man lay bleeding to his death on a sidewalk...
the US has the POTENTIAL of being a great country, we just don't seem to have the heart or spirit to.



posted on Dec, 29 2010 @ 12:14 PM
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I have a problem paying for the medical care of people who abuse drugs and alcohol. I have a problem with paying for the medical care of people who lead immoral lifestyles and contract STD's and Aids. I have a problem with paying for the medical care of people who refuse to quit smoking and face huge medical expenses due to treatment for cancer or emphysema. So on the one hand I feel that it is not right for the government to force me by means of taxes or Obamacare to foot the bill for irresponsible people and their self destructive habits.

On the other hand I realize that I am already doing so by paying huge premiums on my health insurance. So either way I am getting screwed.
edit on 12/29/2010 by Sparky63 because: spelling.



posted on Dec, 29 2010 @ 12:15 PM
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I feel your pain. I was in the hospital for four days with a pancriatitis (SP?)attack, 27K AFTER they knocked down my bill because of my financial situation. I was unemployed at the time myself and I didn't have insurance. I still have to pay 27K to lay in a bed and take morphine and iv antibiotics. So knowing I owed these people my life (Quite literally) I got off my a.s.s, got a job, got insurance and am paying off that bill. Instead of whining about how unfair it was that they charged me so much, I am grateful they took their time and expertise to save my life without worrying if I could pay them. Sure I got and still get harrassing phone calls, but at least I'm still around to get them.

I make well below the median income for my state, my wife is disabled and we are still trying to get her on Disability. Despite our financial struggles neither one of us complains about paying the doctor, we try not to shirk on our RESPONSIBILITY, and we help those who are worse off than us. Its called personal responsibility, if you don't want to pay the bill, don't get the service. If you want the service, dont whine when the bill comes due. Oh and just for grins and giggles, why do you think the bills are SO much higher for those of us with insurance? Could it be the people who recieve the services and don't pay...........I think so.



posted on Dec, 29 2010 @ 12:19 PM
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Originally posted by slane69
Sorry to burst your bubble but medical care is never free, someone pays for it somewhere.


Maybe so, but at the point of use it is "free". No bills, no charges. You go to your A&E (ER) get fixed and it's done. No waiting around for that £11,000 bill to land on your doormat. And if you're unemployed, retired, a child or don't earn enough to pay National Insurance (like my missus - on around £5500 a year) it might as well be free.

For what it's worth, I pay around £6,000 a year in National Insurance, based as a percentage of my gross salary. My missus doesn't pay NI, nor do my kids, so in effect I am "paying" £6,000 a year for unlimited medical treatment, with no excesses or other payments required, for my entire family. I also have Private cover through my employer which I pay around £30 a month for, just for added protection should I want a minor thing fixed quickly, such as my wonky knee as on the NHS I might have to wait a couple of months for surgery.



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