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Gosford NSW multiple witness UFO sightings Dec 30/31 1995

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posted on Dec, 28 2010 @ 02:32 PM
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Thanks to the outstanding response of Police Sgt Bob Wenning, good local news coverage, an excellent TV documentary and an investigation by Moira McGhee and Bryan Dickeson, this Australian UAP incident is potentially one of the most impressive on record. And one of the best to present to sceptics.

Yet despite coverage in several ATS threads, with notable contributions from karl 12 and SuperSlovak, the scientific analysis to date doesn't do justice to the information potentially available from hundreds of eyewitnesses. I've not even been able to get hold of a copy of McGhee and Dickeson's book: The Gosford Files. If anyone who has read this book could post some salient details, it would certainly improve the ATS coverage of the incident.

According to Bob Wenning and Moira McGhee, witnesses saw light beams from the craft 'penetrating' the water. Carl Feindt's theories might explain this, see his fig 2:

www.waterufo.net...

The hovering UAP's force field might have deformed the water surface, creating a central column of rising water surrounded by a circular depression. The UAP's light beams might have shone down into the depression, appearing to penetrate the water.

Other links:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

policeufo.com...

www.youtube.com...




posted on Dec, 28 2010 @ 02:44 PM
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video tape of it or it didn't happen.



posted on Dec, 29 2010 @ 10:22 AM
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reply to post by freedish
 


freedish,

And what is your evidence that hundreds of witnesses lied? The police would not have responded as they did unless they were convinced the callers were genuine.

If you have a hoax theory for this incident you need to give more details.

Happy New Year



posted on Dec, 29 2010 @ 11:23 AM
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Why bother ..... if that's all you can think of to post then why bother

There are many credible UFO reports that are not accompanied with video that did happen , this may be another for all you know .

To Lowneck
This is an interesting case , multiple witnesses and another report of a UFO taking on water , the question I have is is this craft from outer space or from inner Pine Gap
thanks for posting



posted on Dec, 29 2010 @ 11:43 AM
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I don't doubt the credibility about the witnesses. I doubt their perception of what they saw. To them it looks like a UFO....but if we had video evidence it could quite easily appear to be a military craft.



posted on Dec, 30 2010 @ 10:53 AM
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Lowneck, very interesting case mate and it looks like Gosford is a bit of a UFO hotspot, especialy when it comes to water related reports - Evasius has posted another Gosford report here from a week earlier and there's another similar one below from six years later:



Date: 17.06.2000
Day: Saturday
Time Seen: Friday 16th June between 5.45pm and 6.00pm
Location: Empire Bay (Gosford area)
Reportee: Alison F
Report given to nearest rep: Doug Moffett


Report:


Alison noticed an illuminated object over the water, hovering low on the horizon. The object had 8 square lights right around, it was football shaped with a white/gold glow and the well defined square lights were brighter than the rest of the object. The proximity estimated was quite close, approx 200-300 mtrs and elevation about a tree and a half above the water..


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There´s also this thread which lists quite a few accounts of unknown objects being witnessed over water - it looks like it goes on quite a lot.


Unusual reports of UFOs 'taking on water'


Cheers.



posted on Dec, 31 2010 @ 06:16 AM
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reply to post by gortex
 

Gortex,

Many thanks for comments. There are some examples of ufos apparently sampling water but in this case I think the central rising column of water and a possible depressed circular area around it, possibly penetrated by the craft's light beams, might have been a byproduct of the UFO's propulsive force field, as suggested by Carl Feindt - see link in my earlier post.

My guess would be an 'intelligent' space probe from one of the ten thousand odd ET civilizations that Frank Drake (of Drake Equation fame) thinks exist in the Milky Way galaxy. Many of these ETs, possibly postbiological, may be looking for new homes before their central stars expand into planet-incinerating giants. Or perhaps these probes are simply programmed to check up on our technology, this one seemed very interested in the Mooney Mooney Bridge.



posted on Dec, 31 2010 @ 06:30 AM
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Freedish,

Thanks for the clarification. Your theory is quite valid, and would obviously be considered in a thorough investigation of the incident. I guess Moira McGhee covered your point in her book, the Gosford Files, unfortunately I haven't been able to get hold of a copy.



posted on Dec, 31 2010 @ 11:51 AM
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karl 12,

Thanks a lot for the links - and for your innumerable previous contributions from which I've learned much.

Still haven't found a really focused analysis of the Gosford 30/31 Dec 1995 incident though. Richard Haines and his NARCAP colleagues' study of the 2006 Chicago O'Hare incident showed what professional analysts could do with a multiple witness event of only about 15 minutes. ATS folk, particularly Springer and Eyewitness, made a huge contribution to the quality of the NARCAP O'Hare report

www.narcap.org...

It's a shame that we don't have, or don't seem to have, a similar analysis of the 1995 Gosford incident. Can't help suspecting that, as in many US cases, the evidence was just too good, and that pressure was applied to Moira McGhee and other researchers to keep quiet.

Cheers.



posted on Jan, 1 2011 @ 02:05 AM
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I can confirm this did happen, I was with the local football team's family get together having a BBQ, it was the usual glowing orbs seen often around there. They use the water for deutronium fission.

I also reported this to a leuitenant at the DeepSpaceStation Satellite facility in Canberra the next day via internal channels. But you'll never ever see those records. Probably explains the milpol escorts to & from my office for a week.

It was also officially acknowledged within Australian papers (DailyTelgraph) about 2 weeks ago in a one paragraph admission.

This was not my 1st encounter during this time.

HADES



posted on Jan, 3 2011 @ 03:01 PM
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reply to post by maxwellsdemon
 

Maxwellsdemon,

Thanks a lot for the info. Much appreciated.

Did you see the 30/31 Dec 1995 phenomena yourself? I think ATS people would be very interested in any further details of the events you can recall, or details about other witnesses.

Also very interesting that you got in touch with CDSCC Canberra via internal channels. Again, if you can recall exactly what you reported to them, it would be most valuable for the record.

Looks as if you could make a great contribution to ATS on this topic.

Not quite sure whether you're taking the mick with 'deutronium fisson' though. Thought that was a Star Trek idea.

Perhaps you were thinking of deuterium.

Kind Regards.



posted on Jan, 5 2011 @ 01:58 PM
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Hi Lowneck,

You were right, I was trying to spell phonetically, I was thinking of deuterium heavy water use.

Quote;
"Also very interesting that you got in touch with CDSCC Canberra via internal channels. Again, if you can recall exactly what you reported to them, it would be most valuable for the record."

I can't tell you about CDSCC. I reported to who are the best at what they do.

Don't know about the 30/21 Dec 1995, it was for social footy bbq. It probably as it was warm (25 deg. +), just family and friends (all civilians) about 30 people. Won't tell you about the civies, they have there own lives to lead.

Through personal observation I performed my duty reporting the distance (within 5 km's), height (under 1km), angle of approach (30-35 degrees inclination), direction (N/NE to NE/E) shape (globe / orb), size (20-15m diameter) colour (yellow/orange), flight manuevers (usual bouncing, skipping, floating), speed (2-3 knots to Mach 1+ /repetitively), duration (half hour at least). No sound, no helo, no balloon etc as it was dark/dusk, no navigation lights or markings. happens so often in the area the civvie population take it for granted.

Visual external power source looked like an external RHO plasma field.

"Desert Storm" period timeframe I think. Hence the lockdown & escorts??

I've seen them in a similar manner floating/skipping down Lane Cove River from N/W from Hunters Hill, same deal as before, emerald green in colour. Was fishing from a wharf in Drummoyne, duration was at least half hour. but no slow/high speed differential. I didn't report this one. I should have as it "floated" underneath Gladesville Bridge. Helos or balloons "never" go under bridges.

It's nice to see them again. They are like "old friends".

Recently within the last 12 months in western Sydney suburbs, daytime, I saw the thermal contrail only, very high speed 5-10km height, would have overflown RAAF Richmond, Perfect 45 degree angle of turn (very very sharp). Helos don't fligh that high or fast. jets etc turn in curves. informed Army intel baby sitter at work. It was not wind shear.

I see them every 2-3 years on average.

HADES



posted on Jan, 6 2011 @ 07:54 AM
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reply to post by Lowneck
 


Hey my friend, good to see you again and you're certainly right about Richard Haines and his NARCAP colleagues.


Don't know if you've seen it but there's also a great interview about Australian UFO reports posted here by Auswally, it looks like the place has quite a rich history of unexplained incidents - Internos has also made a truly remarkable post about the subject here - that guy is sorely missed.

Also, don't know if it works or is the correct material but there's a downloadable link below for 'the Gosford files'.

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Cheers mate
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posted on Jan, 7 2011 @ 11:53 AM
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reply to post by maxwellsdemon
 

Maxwellsdemon,

Many thanks for the details. That's very useful data to add to the record of the 30/31 December 1995 sightings. I wonder if you can recall the rough time of your half-hour sighting?

Must be many thousands of reports of yellow/orange orbs by now. But most are far smaller than the object you describe.

So you may be right to suggest, or imply, that what you saw was a sphere of luminous plasma surrounding a hidden structured craft, the air being ionised by the craft's propulsive force field. I'm not technical enough to know what an RHO plasma field is, but it sounds as if you know what you're talking about.

Also interesting about those green orbs skipping down Lane Cove River. I have stayed around there when in Oz.

I think there might possibly be a conventional explanation for your high level contrail observation though. Some of the experts here might like to have a go.

Cheers



posted on Jan, 8 2011 @ 08:43 AM
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Hi Lowneck

I would say it was at dusk, between 8-9pm for the orb over the lake.

Regarding the 45 degree sharp turn on a pinhead contrail;

My army intel baby sitter had no explanation, he was very familiar with helos as that was his daily transport.

The 45 degree contrail turn can't be explained, there were no clouds, no wind (or wind shear) , bright blue sky. The only way to make that turn is to negate inertia. even missiles can't perform that. The analogy would be the same as a light beam reflecting of a mirror the angle was so sharp and clearly defined. We don't have the flight capacity to perform that maneuver it was so perfect in execution. unless you bounced off an object, but if so then there would have been secondary evidence. There was none.

Only thing I can think of is a high speed aircraft going very fast, then stops on a single point, and then changes direction, but the kicker would be using that "plausible" explanation would be that the contrail would have bulged at the point of turn indicating speed variations, then proceed to new heading. But to be able to do that maneuver at cruising speed of 600-1000 knots/p/hr is either remotely controlled (publically we can't do that yet) or was a "flyby" using current technology applied flight physics.

That was over my house.

I regularly see blackhawks, as this is a waypoint to Richmond Airbase and lots of cop helos with searchlights.

RHO fields, antigravmagnetic maniuplation

Happy Hunting

HADES



posted on Jan, 8 2011 @ 10:23 AM
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reply to post by karl 12
 

Hi Karl12,

Many thanks for all the links.

I'll be looking for the best way to download those Gosford Files when I return to main computer in about two weeks time.

In the meantime your APFU thread and the links therein has given me much food for thought.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Been in touch with Mike Freebury of the APFU - he'll have a new book out shortly. He and his colleagues are good people and Richard D Hall is well-intentoned, but Richard's endorsement of people like Stephen Greer won't help him in his dealings with MPs and government officials in the UK.

Hope to post some comments and links on your APFU thread shortly.

Cheers.



posted on Jan, 8 2011 @ 10:44 AM
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reply to post by Lowneck
 

Star and flag Lowneck good post. I always like the UFO vid's and reports from down under. This one is especially interesting.
edit on 8-1-2011 by AB173-1970 because: name change



posted on Jan, 9 2011 @ 01:26 PM
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Hey Lowneck, thanks for the reply matey and you're right about that APFU documentary being a very interesting one - there's also another series of interviews here with David Cayton and he makes some very intriguing remarks about an object being tracked on three separate radar screens travelling at 12,000mph (and making right angle turns) over Cyprus in 1958.

As for Gosford, there are some more strange reports at this site and unexplained NSW sightings do appear to be quite common:


UFO Sighting Reports - Australia


Cheers.



posted on Jan, 26 2011 @ 09:28 AM
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Interesting (and similar) UFO water report from the Tasmania UFO Investigation Centre:




Sightings showed no signs of letting up in the following year (1975) as the scene shifted to Tasmania's Lake Country.Two witnesses reported a domed UFO that shone a beam onto Lake Sorell and affected their car radio..


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posted on Jan, 27 2011 @ 12:19 PM
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Thanks, Karl, for another great link.

Interesting case at Lake Sorell, Tas. I'll googlearth that area and have a think.

And I'd never heard of the famous Cressy Cigar, investigated by the great James McDonald. Gives much food for thought.

Anglican clergymen are, or perhaps used to be, most impressive witnesses. Father Gill, for example. I believe Gill and his friends probably saw a genuine UFO, but I doubt that the light was good enough for them to make out 'men' allegedly standing on the 'deck'. But I expect you know far more about that case than I do. Wonder what McDonald made of it.

Cheers





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