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Originally posted by Wyn Hawks
Originally posted by Annee
reply to post by Golf66
You do work for me - as a citizen of the US
...no, mam... thats just a romantic notion sold to citizens to garner support for the military... the military does not work for the citizens... the military works for the legal entity known as the usofa... big difference...
Originally posted by Annee
Don't you find it interesting that a couple posters object to not being accepted as they are?
Originally posted by Golf66
Just seems Annie and some others think thier beliefes are ok, while those of others are not.
Originally posted by 27jd
Originally posted by Annee
Don't you find it interesting that a couple posters object to not being accepted as they are?
Well, I accept them, that's part of living in a semi-free country (although these American Taliban soldiers like Far Archer who say they fight for freedom would love to make it less free). We're fighting a war against religious extremism, allegedly, but seem to have a few religious extremists who aren't fighting extremism, just fighting to make their brand more dominant. That should be unacceptable, and people like that should be discharged long before gays.
Originally posted by Wyn Hawks
...as long as there is another country to invade (there are still plenty), the military will have a purpose...
Originally posted by Sinnthia
That is just not true.
Originally posted by Sinnthia
Without a homeland and populace, you have no home state from which to invade.
Originally posted by Sinnthia
Without a tax base, you have no military funding. Get that?
Originally posted by FarArcher
reply to post by Sinnthia
Yeah, that would be the same God. That one that states what is wrong and thusly never be right. The JAHWEH of Judiasm, Christianity, and likewise taught by Allah of Islam.
Originally posted by FarArcher
Yeah, that would be the same God. That one that states what is wrong and thusly never be right. The JAHWEH of Judiasm, Christianity, and likewise taught by Allah of Islam.
Funny how that works. This, this, this, and this are not only wrong, but abominations.
Never changed His mind, never will.
You're a twinkie, with a much higher percentage risk of HIV/AIDS, then I don't want you where I may be exposed to your blood and body fluids.
And that doesn't even count the problems with their oversensitive BS. That can be the most half-***ed soldier in existence, yet any complaints would be because he's "special."
I don't need the headaches, and a lot of other combat soldiers would quickly come to the same conclusion.
You can call me intolerant, ignorant, biased, prejudiced, archaic, overly religious, or any other demeaning terminology you want, but I'm not the one practicing an intentional aberration.
Originally posted by FreeSafety
I'll no doubt get flack for this post, but I'm going to post it anyway.
I'm a US Army veteran. I was in for 6 years, and I've been out for 9. I have experience with the things I'm about to entail about why allowing gays in the military to be open about their orientation is a bad thing.
1. Barracks life. You have a bunch of kids working and living together 24 hours a day. Most of them are between 18 and 25. In combat units, they're all male. Testosterone runs high in the military, much like it does in professional sports. Now add alcohol to that, which is very prevalent in military barracks. You have fights, it happens, and they're usually over the dumbest things you can think of. Guess what's going to happen when some straight drunk soldier gets belligerent with, and punches, some gay soldier? He's going to be accused of targeting the guy because of his orientation. Now it's a hate crime, when in fact he was just drunk and would've punched him no matter what.
Originally posted by AnneeI get your point - - and I am fully aware how young most of the military is.
But - can not agree.
Its the same argument against Native Americans - Blacks - Women.
You can not suppress a minority for the benefit of the majority.
I think you answer the question in your first paragraph. There will be fights and they are over the dumbest things. Its just one more thing.
Life must progress - - - not stagnate in fears - prejudices - and ancient ideologies/taboos.
edit on 12-1-2011 by Annee because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by FreeSafety
What I'm saying is that gays will receive special treatment because of their orientation. Any time something doesn't go a soldier's way, they look for reasons why. Many people, especially young people, are unable or unwilling to look at their own faults, and they look for faults in everyone else when they don't get their desired result. For many gay soldiers who are open about their orientation, the first thing they're going to think is the one they feel is the most obvious.
Originally posted by AnneeI'd say most gays are fully aware of what this all means - - and simply want to be accepted.
I don't think it is the gay soldier who is going to be the problem. I don't think they want or are getting special treatment - - they are getting Equality.
The only people who keep claiming "special treatment" are the heteros. It seems to be their issue - not the gays.
Originally posted by FreeSafety
I have to disagree. Gays are people like everyone else, and as such are just as fallible and faulty as everyone else. While I'm sure they do want to be accepted, I think many also see an opportunity to grab an upper hand, and this will certainly get them one. Like anyone else, why would they not want that?
Originally posted by AnneeHeteros are the ones who want to make the sexuality an issue.
Originally posted by FreeSafety
So why not just remove this article of the UCMJ and the discharge for homosexual conduct and leave DADT alone? Why does anyone else need to know if someone is gay, if not for special treatment?
Originally posted by 27jd
It's not for special treatment, it's to stop them from being fired if for some reason they just happen to admit to being gay. I can't see how that point is so elusive. It's not about being able to rub it in anybody's face, or engage in gay acts on duty. Are straight soldiers allowed to have sex with female soldiers on duty? No.