Originally posted by SinnthiaBoth of those religions have rules against murder as well as rules against hating or judging anyone but
Um, you cannot be that clueless; you said killing not murder and more people have died in the name of Christianity and Islam than for any other cause
Here are some quotes from the religions that have rules against "judging others - lol!
Lev. 18:22, "You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination."
Lev. 20:13, "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be
put to death. Their bloodguiltness is upon them"
1 Cor. 6:9-10, "Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters,
nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the
kingdom of God."
Rom. 1:26-28, "For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural,
27and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing
indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error. 28And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God
gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper."
Please understand I do not believe this myself, I don't even believe in god but seems to me the bible (guide to Christianity) seems to find
homosexuality a bad thing....
SURA XXIX: 28-35 [On Lot and Sodom]
28. And (remember) Lot when he said to his people, 'Verily, ye approach an abomination which no one in all the world ever anticipated you in!
29. What! do ye approach men? (or Do you commit sexual acts with men?) and stop folks on the highway? And approach in your assembly sin?' but the
answer of his people was only to say, 'Bring us God's torment, if thou art of those who speak the truth!'
30. Said he, 'My Lord! help me against a people who do evil!'
Same here...last line homos are evil...
SURA XXVI: 160-174 [On Lot and Sodom]
160. The people of Lot called the apostles liars;
161 when their brother Lot said to them, 'Do ye not fear?
162. verily, I am to you a faithful apostle;
163. then fear God and obey me.
164 I do not ask you for it any hire; my hire is only with the Lord of the worlds.
165 Do ye approach males of all the world
166 and leave what God your Lord has created for you of your wives? nay, but ye are people who transgress!'
167 They said, 'Surely, if thou dost not desist, O Lot! thou shalt be of those who are expelled!'
168 Said he, 'Verily, I am of those who hate your deed;
169 my Lord! save me and my people from what they do.'
170 And we saved him and his people all together,
171 except an old woman amongst those who lingered.
172 Then we destroyed the others;
173 and we rained down upon them a rain; and evil was the rain of those who were warned.
174 Verily, in that is a sign; but most of them will never be believers.
175 And, verily, thy Lord He is mighty, merciful, compassionate.
Don't go after dudes, I gave you wives....etc etc.... (Short version - don't be gay)
Originally posted by SinnthiaBTW, I know that you military types on ATS seem to really think you are special and better than the rest of
us so I just want to remind you that without the rest of us, you have no purpose or paycheck. Just putting that out there.
We are special and few and far between now days...
I served for you, and others like you. I bled for you and I would do it again so that you have the right to say and do as you wish without fear of
being taken away in the middle of the night for your actions/words. I have been in places like that and seen it happen - have you?
I realize without a country there would be no Soldiers, also you must realize without Soldiers there would certainly be no country.... It is a
“We sleep safe in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm.” - George
I and the other veterans are those men - and now women as well....
Originally posted by SinnthiaAgain, one religion that says it is ok to kill people because your leader says they are the enemy and also
teaches it is moral to judge and hate anyone.
Think I covered that one just fine....again more people died in the name of God and Allah than any other cause. See the anti homo stuff above....
To the person talking about the military and rank....here is why my question matters:
I am a retired field grade officer of 25 years Commanding at that level in war and in peace. A Private, a Sergeant and a civilian would well have
differing levels of understanding of tactical, legal and strategic policy. It is so that I can know your frame of reference and not speak above your
level of understanding.
Unless we have an equal frame of reference or level of expertise its like me talking Physics with Einstein - I would have no real clue.
Much like you and most of the others who have opined have no frame of reference to opine with any thoughts of consequence about matters related to the
military and the possible effects of a change in policy of this magnatude without having served, even then those of differing ranks and specialties
would have differing ideas and levels of understanding as well.
I'm sure you have a field of expertise (maybe nursing, cooking, hell whatever) lots of people do, I would not claim to refute your onions based on
something I got second hand from an old uncle or a book I read once - it does not and cannot compare to the on the ground experience.
You guys seem angry about something, why are you so mad?