reply to post by Wyn Hawks
Originally posted by orangetom1999
Your statements as well as Wyn Hawks are full of emotional entitlements as well as textbook labeling.
...but when you, tom, call people "emotional fascist labelers" you dont consider that to be labeling or being full of emotional entitlements... got
it... glad we got that cleared up...
LOL LOL In likeness to Annee and others...this goes over your head. I am referring to the standard M1A predictable format of calling others
homophobe, haters, and bigot to seemingly strengthen your posts. I posted this concept not for you or Annee per se..but for other readers such that
some of them will recognize the drama pattern to denigrate those with whom you disagree. This format of calling or labeling others who disagree with
your stance is textbook predictable as is your response/responses when light it put upon it,
That you take what others post in disagreement as personal when doing the same and often to others is the very concept I am speaking about and which
our body politic is today doing to the public and even our military. It is not tolerant...while expecting and demanding tolerance from others...very
interesting behavior to me and others who will recognize it. I am not interested in "Guilt Politics " which is become the standard format of pseudo
leadership of today.
Sexual politics is personal private politics. It should not be in the public arena or mandated by the body politic.
Hetero or homo. People should keep their sexuality to themselves and not mind the sexuality of others...nor pry into it. It is private business.
What people still capable of thinking know about politics...is that once they get hold of an issue..any issue... they will whore it out or sell it
for votes and power. And this is why the body politic will make a mess out of this private issue as well and to the betterment of no one.
Agree with orwellianunenlightenment here..
Humans are not a group think. Humans are individuals. ALL Humans are diverse in their interests and behaviors.
Stereotyping a whole group that has only one thing in common - - attraction to same gender - - is unacceptable.
I will add here that stereotyping another group who have attraction to opposite sexes is also unacceptable.
What is common here is that people should not identify themselves by their sexuality, sex, sexual orientation. This is to me very strange behavior. I
am not debating here against sex, sexuality or sexual orientation. I am saying that people are so much more than this. Why would individual thinking
peoples be so dumb as to limit themselves to this one fingerprint to excess or ridiculousness.
Also another fingerprint often made in assumption and in order to seemingly strengthen labeling without others being aware of it is the term Hate and
Haters. Many assume incorrectly that people who disagree are haters and hate. And now this fingerprint is attempting to steer the military in
"entitlement politics." Disagreement is not hatred..it is disagreement. What shows hatred and intolerance is labeling others who disagree in an
attempt to default through...unquestioned and unchallenged. More people need to recognize this for the manipulation propaganda it is.
This is politics of the cheapest type. And individual thinking peoples know this. It is an attempt to stroke the emotions for the support of others
who cannot think for themselves...but can be seduced through their "guilt emotions" to this cause.
This labeling does not work on me. I have seen way to much of this guilt template being done in the last 20 years. It too gets predictable. And this
is very common today by politics on a number of issues..not just this one. Guilt politics...labeling...stereotyping through labeling.
Once again..I am not interested and do not post this for you or Anne..but for those out here who can still think....individually. Once the pattern or
template is presented to them ..some of them will hopefully recognize this for themselves and see it often in the news and or media outlets for the
propaganda and seduction it is.
......especially when they dont see that behavior in themselves OR when they see it but pretend their agression is something good... (ie:
those throwing a hissy fit over DADT being revoked)...
...the military has always been affected by politics and social mores... military disciplines and/or requirements are not written in stone but,
instead, change with the times...
These two statements quoted show entitlement thinking along the social arena. It does not show consideration for the primary function of the military.
It also shows entitlement thinking along the social arena which is precisely the arena required by the body politic. It also shows public education
standards and beliefs while limiting the bigger picture.
There are those here who's posted views are primarily and always of social fabric and belief systems. This is not the primary view of the military. In
the military ones social beliefs are subordinate to the job required.
It also shows immaturity in the way one mocks to make a point...which is my point previously about the technique and intolerance methods.
There are also those here who have served and know of what I post about military discipline/disciplines and that the function in the military is not
...monogamous heterosexuals have been legislating / forcing their ways on everyone else for eons...
...i bet you didnt gripe about that when they were legislating and/or forcing views that you approve of (heterosexuality or monogamy)...
Cannot get beyond sex, sexuality, sexual orientation?? More guilt politics. No thanks ..not for me.
...the military's new standard is not forcing acceptance... it is reinforcing long standing "control yourself" standards... the new standard
does not say you have to like a gay soldier or approve of the gay lifestyle... in simplistic terms, the new standard says that no one has to hide in a
closet because your beliefs are so fragile that you cannot be civilized to someone who has a different sexual orientation than you...
Peoples sex and sexuality are private matters. It should not be flaunted no matter what their sex, sexuality, sexual orientation. They should control
this for themselves and never make it public. People should have such common sense..but public education/television/movie standards..ie.. politics has
turned this upside down...and for lucre.
When government forces this control yourself template ..they are forcing and legislating. No rocket material needed here. It is not difficult to see
where this is going and will go. All you have to do is look at the UK and Europe.
Originally posted by orangetom1999
You don't force acceptance of sexuality in any manner on other peoples. You do not force social constructs of acceptability on people. Especially
political social constructs.
...you keep saying that but you're not applying it to yourself or monogamous heterosexuals who believe homosexuality is wrong and should be demonized
and legislated against...
You are making an assumption in your devout guilt politics beliefs/education...ie..your religion. I do not believe this issue should be legislated
against or for..particularly by politics looking for lucre and willing to sell both sides down the drain for votes. Both sides will come out short
here...and so too will the military.
I also agree with another poster ..that there are current standards in place for this.
I do believe that ones sexuality is a private matter and not to be flaunted as a social or political issue.
Oh..I forgot to post this about the whorish nature of politics in illustration of my point about public education/television/movie standards. Today,
in politics, in order to get at the opposition they want to know about ones sex life. In years past people had more discretion than this. They used to
examine ones tax records. Not today..they cannot wait to post about someones sex laundry. This clearly illustrates how far down the drain we have
become as a people as well as how far down the drain the body politic has flushed.
Now this about George S, Patton....
Originally posted by orangetom1999
Drama Queens of any type do not survive long in the military.
...general george s patton - enough said...
You need to seriously think this through...in the scope of the entire history. George did not survive the war.
Enough has not been said here. Some of us do know some history.
...correct - discipline to follow orders and abide by the current standards...
What??? Like Annee...your public school education is showing here. Drama, emotions, entitlement. Textbook of todays changing winds for convience and
instant gratification...ie politics. I dont believe many are even aware of this ..they think themselves so entitled.
The interesting thing about standards is that they are standards. You use the term " current standards." This is textbook of politics and a
Standards implies fixed...not changing. Current Standards implies that it changes like the wind. This is seduction politics. Thinking...individual
peoples know this unless they have been seduced by public education non standards..meaning a television and movie education based in entitlement and
social instant gratification.
Instant gratification is not the template of the Military disciplines. This is a significant difference and thinking peoples know this. It is "the"
significant difference. And this is why sex, sexuality, sexual orientation is a private matter..not a public matter. Discretion is only achieved on
the individual level..not on the public level..and thinking peoples know this as well.
Drama peoples do not know this and will attempt to turn this template upside down for instant gratification..ie politics.
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