reply to post by 27jd
Good. There should be no hate laws denying two consenting adults the opportunity to form the same partnerships as anybody else. This is supposed to be
the land of the free, but in reality we are one of the least free countries on the planet, what a joke we've become.
There aren't any laws denying two consenting adults to do whatever they want. Where are you getting this? Our country allows this! The issue here
is about same sexed couple demanding more than just freedom to do what they want behind closed doors - they want civil rights within the military
culture. There are NO rights when you agree to join the military, other than what they afford you. Why can't you folks grasp this? The military is
its OWN CULTURE, in which civilians cannot and SHOULD NOT be allowed to push their agendas.
If I were in a military unit with an outspoken christian, I would still fight alongside him and protect him as I would anybody else in my unit. Unlike
gays, alot of religious people love to try and convert people.
And guess what? In the workplace, that is not allowed either. I have heard of religious radicals being discharged as well. However, a respect for
God, in general, is observed in all the branches, religion aside.
Anybody with a clear head and a healthy body, who does not victimize others, is just as capable as anybody else to serve in the military.
Exactly, and this is the very reason why DADT was put in place. The military already allowed homosexuals to serve under conditions, which they didn't
have to, unless the liberals wanted to be reelected, of course. To take this concept any further by adding in sexual "rights", would be to diminish
and contradict this concept. So which is it?
Please enlighten us as to which other groups they keep out, besides criminals.
Really? Forgive me, but this is the very reason why civilians shouldn't be interfering in military affairs. I'd be happy to enlighten you. (This is
for Marine Corps standards, since the other branches may vary slightly).
1. Overweight people (you have to be within weight standards prior to joining).
2. Short people (although there is no longer a height cutoff, if a "little person" tried to join, I'd bet my next paycheck they would be disqualified
- if anyone has a claim to genetics, its these folks.)
3. Those in which all medical conditions such as eye, hearing, dental, and physical tests must be passed. Those with missing organs, missing limbs,
asthma, blood disorders, if one leg is shorter than the other, pregnant, VD, etc., are all disqualified.
4. Those who have not graduated high school, or at least have a GED (for the USMC), but even GED's are seldom accepted.
5. Those who have too many dependents. If you're married with kids, you have to be willing to submit to a financial overview to show how you can
support your family, because PFC pay cannot support a small family. Someone who comes in with several kids, forget it.
6. Those who fall into the proper age bracket....for the Marine Corps, you cannot be older than 27. However, if you pass a PFT and are between 27 and
32 (or maybe it's 34, I can't remember), you can apply for a waiver. If you DO get accepted, you have to sign an agreement that states you understand
that many people who will be your superiors will be younger than you.
7. Those with "sleeve" tattoos, neck tattoos, gang related tattoos, derogatory tattoos, body piercings, or any other bodily disfigurement done out of
adornment. All these items must be properly removed or surgically fixed before the applicant can apply, which is still not a guarantee for
acceptance. Marines do get tattoos, but they must get permission and submit the artwork prior to getting it done, and they must fall into certain
regulations. If they don't, they risk not getting promoted, being forced to have the tattoo removed, or get discharged, if the tattoo does not fall
into acceptable ranges.
8. Those with felony convictions, outstanding warrants, outstanding tickets, pending legal issues to include divorce, etc. Misdemeanors can be
waivered, depending on the reason, but the applicant must submit substantial paperwork to include recommendation letters to vouch for them.
9. Those who are drug users, no matter how "small". If you pop positive, there's no tolerance. You must be clean and stay clean....period.
10. Those who cannot pass the ASVAB test.
11. Those who are bipolar, who are diagnosed with depression or with depression in their background, and those who are alcoholics. Depending on the
time gap on some of these, they MAY be waivered with substantial medical screening.
12. Those who are "conscientious objectors"....such as those who require Sundays off due to religious beliefs, those who must adhere to strict
religious practices that would interfere with their military duties, those who are required to wear religious items, such as uncut hair, head dresses,
etc. Although efforts are made to accommodate specific requests, the individual must understand that his/her military duties come first.
There's more, but you get the idea. Upon being signed up, the applicant signed a consent form for the DADT policy, regardless if they were gay or
not. This is understood up front, so the military members understood and AGREED to the conditions set forth before joining.
If you honestly can't understand these concepts, you should see the requirements for applying to Disney and Hooters. Every organization has a need to
fill, and certain people cannot fill that need properly or will detract from what the organization needs to do. You don't see 300 pound women
demanding "rights" to be allowed to work for Hooters, nor do you see men demanding their rights to keep their mustaches or tattoos of naked women when
they go to work for Disney. You don't see women demanding to be hired by the NFL or women demanding to be allowed to become Catholic Priests. Some
things are just common sense and are dominated by people/genders who naturally fit the descriptions and requirements. When you agree to work for an
organization, you agree to abide by their requirements and rules, or look for employment elsewhere....period.
I honestly don't understand where this sense of entitlement comes from. There are plenty of places to go and be gay and be proud and be accepted.
They can have all the rights they want if they get a different job, and can even get married if they move to a different state. We all gravitate
towards those groups who are more aligned with what we think and feel. There are some states I wouldn't want to live in, so I don't. I moved. Big
freakin' deal. But I what I DON'T do, is sit where I am and demand that everyone else around me changes to suit my needs while I hamper the
productivity and atmosphere of those around me.
I'm sure you've seen the many officers that were discharged for 'telling'. They weren't dressing in drag and calling everybody "girlfriend". You would
have never known they were gay. I would argue that the more feminine in the gay community will likely have no desire to join the armed forces in a
combat role. They discharged good soldiers, with good records who had never made passes at other soldiers in the showers, simply because they let slip
their preference. It's ridiculous, in these times we need all the good help we can get.
Proof? Who are these officers you're talking about? And furthermore, it's seldom the "gay" part that gets someone kicked out. Usually, they're a
major pain in the ass, and the gay issue just helps that out. Most times, they are guilty of other substandard behaviors, but because they can't seem
to take their pills, they go to the media and cry foul. The media then eats it up and says, "it's because he was GAY". It's a catch 22 for the
military, because they can't defend themselves by defaming this person in public, so they let it go. Although, they should defend themselves, in my
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