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Originally posted by Sparky63
To Synnthia & Caycefan:
Too bad you two can't get together for a beer summit and work out your differences. I would even supply the beer and the dictionary of your choice.
In the meantime what do you think about the topic of an officer refusing to order his troops to undergo additional training in light of the new policy?
Personally, I think this officer is making a brave decision. If he doubts the morality or legality of the order, he has an obligation to disobey it. Of course he must be willing to face the consequences of his actions.
If more soldiers questioned the orders they receive and refused to carry out those they felt were morally objectionable, we would have a lot less atrocities being carried out in the name of nationalism.edit on 12/29/2010 by Sparky63 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Brood
Originally posted by CayceFan
Originally posted by Brood
I'm speaking for you as well.
let me prove it:
Can you tell me what the amplification range of a 2SA silicon transistor with a base emitter junction of 5 amps and a beta gain of 10 is?
Now, assuming you don't know...you could research it or you can simply blow it off and be selectively ignorant.
Make a thread about it. If I join and begin arguing with you about it as if I know what I'm talking about and ignore anything you have to say about it, then you might have something to go on.
Busted!!!!! Caught ya being selective huh!!!!
Wouldn't it just make me look foolish if I had showed interest in the topic for say, 7 or 8 pages then just started being selective like that? It would almost be like some sort of social retardation or something. Who knows, though, words don't have finite terms or anything according to some people so how can you justify anything to them?edit on 29-12-2010 by Brood because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Brood
reply to post by CayceFan
You forgot the part where it was proven a fallacy to human historical knowledge and a certain side continued to go on about the idea as if it still had merit at all.
Originally posted by Sinnthia
reply to post by CayceFan
I have to wonder if I were expressing my opinion on electronics and in that I used "capacitor" to mean something that resists a charge. Would you not want to point out that since I have no clue what I am talking about, my opinion based on that "selective ignorance" may be ill formed at best? Be honest with yourself about it. Then go find a woman who cannot have babies and call her a genetic retard. Tell her it is ok, you just meant it to say that being gay is suicidal for the species. Let me know how it all turns out.
Originally posted by Sinnthia
reply to post by CayceFan
I have to wonder if I were expressing my opinion on electronics and in that I used "capacitor" to mean something that resists a charge. Would you not want to point out that since I have no clue what I am talking about, my opinion based on that "selective ignorance" may be ill formed at best? Be honest with yourself about it. Then go find a woman who cannot have babies and call her a genetic retard. Tell her it is ok, you just meant it to say that being gay is suicidal for the species. Let me know how it all turns out.
Originally posted by Sinnthia
reply to post by Sparky63
How does it sound when you hear it?
'I am a good Christian man. I volunteer to engage in possibly life taking activities at the orders of my supperiors thus nullifying any adherence to the ten commandments as stated in my bible. Yes, I reject the ten commandments and will take a life.
I am a good Christian man. I cannot then in all good conscience teach my men to NOT think about where each other sticks there doodle and just treat each other like people.'
I dunno. Just doesn't play as convincing to me. Its not his convictions but his reasoning.
p.s. No that is not supposed to be an actual quote for anyone asking me to cite my source.edit on 29-12-2010 by Sinnthia because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Beowolfs
Excuse me for going off the subject here.
Yes, gays are human beings. Yes, they deserve to have the same rights as heterosexual males. But…Have any of you thought about what is next in the list… Transsexuals are people too! They deserve to have rights just like heterosexual and homosexuals.
My question is when does it stop? At some point we have to say enough is enough! We have to set some standards that have to be followed however wrong it might seem to other people. If not, we’re willfully opening the door to Pandora ’s Box!
Originally posted by Sparky63
If more soldiers questioned the orders they receive and refused to carry out those they felt were morally objectionable, we would have a lot less atrocities being carried out in the name of nationalism.
Originally posted by CayceFan
You don't really have a point here do you?
First I didn't say those things the other poster did.
Second, don't try to spin from the fact that you were just proven to have selective ignorance just like I claimed that we all have to which you replied "speak for yourself"
Originally posted by Sparky63
Your logic is flawless.
However, two wrongs do not make a right. Just because this man once made one decision that is morally wrong for someone professing to be a Christian, does not mean that he must follow suit and make another one. I don't know how he felt about his prior decision to serve in the military. For all I know he began to question his role in the military and is using this issue to walk away from it all.
I do know that people change, and if he is willing to face the consequences of disobedience I cannot fault him.
Originally posted by Sinnthia
Originally posted by CayceFan
You don't really have a point here do you?
Yes, I do. It is on thing to not know something. It is quite another to have a fully formed opinion about those things you know nothing of. I believe the difference between myself, brood, and you. Is yes, we are all selectively ignorant - only you feel that excuses your ignorant opinions while we have no opinions about things we are so ignorant of. Why are you not getting the vast difference?
First I didn't say those things the other poster did.
Well, if my opinion of something is based on a capictor actually being a resistor, my opinion is not going to be very valid. If I state that my opinion is valid because we are all ignorant, as you tried to do, I will just be lying and still wrong. Get it?
See cuz, that is not what that word means. It throws off the entire opinion when you base it on something you DO NOT KNOW.
Second, don't try to spin from the fact that you were just proven to have selective ignorance just like I claimed that we all have to which you replied "speak for yourself"
LMAO!
Seriously. Get a grip. I did not say "speak for yourself," Brood did. It was not me you thought you just caught, it was Brood.
I fink sum one is getting sweepy time nite nite.
Originally posted by CayceFan
Brood did huh? Ok...well I caught you both being selectively ignorant....even better sense my opinion is that we all are!
Any way the whole point was that someone, maybe you, used the term so I was just proving that we all are selectively ignorant period.
Again your hung up one the posters word instead of the subject.
My opinion is still my opinion regardless of what word you use.Get it! Gay people are not the norm.