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Officer won't sign order for troop pro-homosexual indoctrination

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posted on Dec, 28 2010 @ 10:47 PM
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Originally posted by ipsedixit
reply to post by yrwehere1
 

I apologize. I respect the US military and realize how politicians have misused it since Vietnam. But the fantasist in me can't resist the thought of a special gay Delta Force unit, for desert operations, operating behind enemy lines, seeking out some of those a*holes who beheaded hostages and caturing them and then BF'ing them into the middle of next week and filming it and then broadcasting it on a special US Army TV station, All Queera.

The US needs to get the lead out and do something about those boys and a gay unit would be the perfect weapon.

Maybe I'm ahead of the curve on this one.



When I'm President, I am appointing you leader of USSOCOM.

Unconventional thinking is needed these days, and you sir are on the right track.




posted on Dec, 28 2010 @ 10:50 PM
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Well, excuse me! I had no intent to point out the obvious!

The Air Force is NOT known as front line troops. You stated you had incoming rounds and got into cover. I'm sure you have a job in the Air Force, and I'm betting it's not a light weapons infantryman. So you had incoming rounds. Try it without being able to retreat to cover.

I do not belittle anyone's job in the military. I was in SF and I owe my very life to the Air Force on at least three separate occasions. We were always on our own with the exception of what help we could get from the Air Force via our radio.

We were long range patrol. Our rear areas would be considered a forward fire base by the infantry. I've been attached to infantry outfits for short periods, and these guys who are bug hunting every single day are NOT going to be understanding about anything out of the ordinary.

That's my whole point.

Rear-echelon jobs are fine.

Combat jobs are going to be next to suicidal.



posted on Dec, 28 2010 @ 10:53 PM
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Originally posted by BigTimeCheater
When I'm President, I am appointing you leader of USSOCOM.

Unconventional thinking is needed these days, and you sir are on the right track.


Thankyou Mr. President. I'm honored to be asked to serve this great nation. From this moment on I am going to think, 24/7, of nothing but gay units.



posted on Dec, 28 2010 @ 10:54 PM
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Originally posted by greeneyedleo

Originally posted by RUFFREADY
I don't think the troops need a lot of grab assing going on.

When I was in the service we did not have to worry about gays bugging us.

Its not good.

We need people that will kill the enemy, not check out their butts.


Does that mean as a man you have animalistic uncontrollable thoughts and actions when around women? That you cannot be trusted around any women because you may sexually assault or harass them in some way?

You make no sense. Just because someone is gay does not mean they will be attracted to you and checking out your arse.


I do not get the idea some have that people who are gay are a bunch of animalistic horny people who cant control thoughts, urges and actions. As if straight people are perfect and in absolute control of themselves at all times.


Enlighten me - why do we have gender specific showers in the military? Is it because TPTB have decided that men cant control themselves?

Gays may not all be "animalistic horny people" - but they are indeed perverted people.



posted on Dec, 28 2010 @ 10:56 PM
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I know that you are makeing a point, but what about the folks in the military which have no religious opinion of gays? I think the wiccans are among the few religious orders who don't care what you do with your sexual organs and they representation in the military. Should they be barred from service because they may upset someone elses god or gods?

Look guys, when you maintain a standing army, that is all voulenteer, and a nation that is as mixed culturally and morally as ours, you are going to get people who will defend you to the death even though they disagree with you. I hate some of the things that some of you have posted on this thread and on ATS as a whole, but if I knew it was you in trouble and I needed to get the mission done to save your life, I would do it, because that is what your tax money asks of me. Now I know that is being really simplistic, most of us career military people have a strong sence of duty, above and beyond the pay and perks, but never for one moment think that a good troop will forsake a person based on opinion alone. Hell, the laws of war tell us that we may never even leave a prisoner to die, even if he killed my best friend in combat, I must treat the prisoner with respect.



posted on Dec, 28 2010 @ 10:57 PM
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Originally posted by thirdeyeaware
reply to post by FarArcher
 


No difference in between gay and straight blood. Get your facts straight.
And just cuz someone supports the gays with their want of equal rights, does not mean we are gay.
Notice how DODT was passed with 70%?


I believe the Archer has his facts STRAIGHT. AIDS and HIV is much more prevalent in gay men than normal men.



posted on Dec, 28 2010 @ 10:57 PM
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Originally posted by CayceFan
Gays may not all be "animalistic horny people" - but they are indeed perverted people.


You cannot end a sentence like that
if you say they are "Indeed" perverted people you have to say how and give facts

so please............ if you will



posted on Dec, 28 2010 @ 10:58 PM
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posted on Dec, 28 2010 @ 11:01 PM
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Originally posted by captaintyinknots

Originally posted by FarArcher
It's rapidly apparent that the scope of a front line combat soldier is beyond the basic grasp of several on this thread who have taken offense at anything beyond what their personal experience and wishes encompass.

When I think of front line combat troops, the Air Force doesn't exactly jump out at me, with one exception - Combat Controllers. Who are attached to Army combat units.

You go right ahead and think what you wish. It doesn't matter what your opinion is. The only thing that matters is those guys in combat mode day in and day out. They only have each other to rely on, they must completely trust each other, and individuals perceived as "different" will NOT be accepted, and will be gotten rid of - one way or another.

We've all seen incidents in civilian life of guys "rolling queers" and even murdering them.

Just wait until you put rifles and grenades in the hands of everyone, with testosterone flowing, stress that will linger in diminishing quantities for decades, and a desire to stay alive at any cost.

You don't think of what should be, or what could be. Your only thought is of surviving your individual fights before being forced into another.

Like I said, a known gay being shot and bleeding all over everything is a threat - real or perceived.

NOT something the other team members wish to be exposed to - even potentially.

In combat, all threats are removed as a matter of habit.

Political correctness be damned.


If our troops are to be thought of in the same ilk as some redneck who 'rolls queers', we have a far larger problem at hand than just gays in the military.

Course, anyone who is even half-educated wouldnt think of a gay persons blood as any more of a threat than a straight person, but hey, we do recruit the bottom 10% of our graduating classes, so you may just be right.


Anyone who is educated would know a gay persons blood is more of a threat.

Gay and bisexual men — referred to in CDC surveillance systems as men who have sex with men (MSM)of all
races continue to be the risk group most severely affected by HIV. Additionally, this is the only risk group in the U.S. in which the annual number of new HIV infections is increasing. There is an urgent need to expand access to proven HIV prevention interventions for gay and bisexual men, as well as to develop new approaches to fight HIV in this population.

A Snapshot...

MSM account for nearly half of the more than one million people living with HIV in the U.S. (48%, or an estimated
532,000 total persons).

MSM account for more than half of all new HIV infections in the U.S. each year (53%, or an estimated 28,700 infections).

While CDC estimates that MSM account for just 4 percent of the U.S. male population aged 13 and older, the rate of new HIV diagnoses among MSM in the U.S. is more than 44 times that of other men (range: 522–989 per 100,000 MSM vs. 12 per 100,000 other men).

MSM are the only risk group in the U.S. in which new HIV infections are increasing. While new infections have
declined among both heterosexuals and injection drug users, the annual number of new HIV infections among MSM has been steadily increasing since the early 1990s.



posted on Dec, 28 2010 @ 11:01 PM
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Originally posted by CayceFan
I believe the Archer has his facts STRAIGHT. AIDS and HIV is much more prevalent in gay men than normal men.


Current stats



posted on Dec, 28 2010 @ 11:03 PM
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I think the point of the post went totally over your head.
Never mind, at ease, as you were...sir, cap'n sir!



posted on Dec, 28 2010 @ 11:05 PM
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Originally posted by Sinnthia
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I get it. You want to make this political because you are all pro-USA good Christian, right? That is why my expressing my opinion on an internet forum translates to you as me pushing an agenda for which I should be removed from this wonderfully free country. Get over yourself. Do not interject things that do not belong. If people need to be killed, then fine. Sometimes that happens. But do not stand over a dead body and then tell me your bible tells you being gay is a sin.

GET THE DIFFERENCE?


I find it quite humorous how you have twisted that into what you wrote. You, represent the pro-gay movement, period. Your opinions echo every other opinion we hear that seeks to change laws, change opinions, and everything else in between. What I'm saying is, the silent majority is getting tired of being silent, and if you are that unhappy with a country who's laws and morals are based on Biblical principles, then move. I'm not telling you to move. I'm simply stating that you have another option instead of spinning your wheels insisting that the rest of us change to suit your views.

This "wonderfully free country" didn't just happen by itself....a lot of blood was shed for it to be so. So you enjoy your freedom to have an opinion on an internet forum, on the blood of thousands before you. Don't preach to me with your illogical reasoning.

Second, I've never had to stand over a dead body, thankfully. I have many friends who have, and if you think for one moment that it doesn't affect every cell in their body, then you don't understand the full measure of sacrifice they give us each and every day. The remorse for the loss of life is very much a prevalent feeling among our service members, and NONE of them will ever tell you they enjoy killing, nor will they ever tell you they want to go to war. The difference between you and them, is that they are the only ones willing to do what nobody wants to do. If they do tell you they enjoy killing, they are psychopaths and need to be removed from service. What they enjoy is liberating oppressed people, and saving innocent lives. A little known fact that liberals like to ignore.

Yes, murdering is a sin. Carrying out an act of justice on someone who is a serial killer, is not a sin. Adultery is a sin. Pornography is a sin. Rape is a sin. Sex before marriage is a sin. Abortion is a sin. I don't pick and choose. We all sin. But don't expect me to overlook gay sin while concentrating on all the other "straight" sins. If you want equality, let's begin there. However, I'm not trumpeting my rights to make adultery, pornography, or anything else "legal" with civil rights attached, simply because I claim it's in my DNA. (I only used myself as an example, not stating that I am an adulterer who is hooked on porno...I'm not.)
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posted on Dec, 28 2010 @ 11:06 PM
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Well...In my time, the only place that we had communal showers was in basic, but there sex was the last thing on your mind. Most people are so stressed and shocked by what is going on they dont even take a dump for the first few days. And remember, gays can serve in the military, they just can't be open about it. So really, almost every military member serving had most likely been naked in the same room as a homosexual. How shocking.



posted on Dec, 28 2010 @ 11:08 PM
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You're absolutely right, but here's the catch.

It only takes 1.

If it is such a concern, it should be a concern with all people, not just gay men. If we are speaking in statistics, than statistically speaking, it is INEVITABLE that a soldier somewhere will come across infected blood from a heterosexual male in the service.

Therefore....

Theres an easy solution to this. Stringent testing FOR ALL SOLDIERS. Which should be happening anyway.

Next argument please.



posted on Dec, 28 2010 @ 11:09 PM
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Originally posted by Flighty
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I think the point of the post went totally over your head.
Never mind, at ease, as you were...sir, cap'n sir!


Not whatsoever, nice attempt at discrediting though, sonny.



posted on Dec, 28 2010 @ 11:11 PM
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That is exactly the kind of fairytales that believers in fairytales tell themself at night so they can sleep I assume. Everyone that they kill is done in the name of good, right justice, and that everyone they kill is a badguy and serial killer.



posted on Dec, 28 2010 @ 11:11 PM
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posted on Dec, 28 2010 @ 11:12 PM
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Most of the risky men with men sex that spreads aids/hiv also double up with heterosexual women, many of whom share needles and prostitute themselves to heterosexual men . . .

It just irresponsible behavior all the way around.

But you're wrong about soldiers likely coming in contact with HIV blood or through that risky behavior, as the sharing needle and men on men sex are almost nonexistent in the military.

Maybe you'd do better starting a cooking thread.



posted on Dec, 28 2010 @ 11:12 PM
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So let's follow your logic here for a minute.

you say gays in the service will be seen as a threat. And will be removed.

You then say that there are people who roll queers in civilian life.

You then say that those people are 'dumbasses'

You then say, again, that gays will be seen as a threat by people in the military and removed.....


What exactly are you saying about these people in the military, then, that see gays as a threat?



posted on Dec, 28 2010 @ 11:15 PM
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Originally posted by FarArcher
reply to post by Montana
 

Hey genius, orders are not followed more than one might think.

Your intellectual shortcoming is in thinking that a soldier unthinkingly obeys orders just because they're orders. How completely ignorant - and that's what I've been saying all along.

Some here on this thread confuse their personal preferences with reality.

And for your information, genius, I don't much give a tinker's damn about who you want defending you or not as - since you aren't doing it - you'll take what you're given and like it.

Or not. But you will accept it.

See how that works?






You know what archer, I think I misunderstood you. Although I still think you are typing like a pissed off X box live account holder, you have a great point here. I cannot stand that sort of thinking your talking about above. It is the reason the government has wasted so much money kicking out fully trained gay troops. I wonder if civilians know how much is spent on even the most basic of troops who have been in less then one year. And to put the records straight. AF persons drive convoys to and from FOBs, they provided security and medical services. But more to the point if your opinion is that only the people who are in SOCOM are really front line, then I guess that PJs, Combat weather, and some of the EOD guys would have to count too. And I think Red Horse guys would be mad at no longer being front line, as well as the Dog Handlers and so on and so forth. I won't insult you by claiming that the Services guys do the same thing as you do but some of us 'rear guys' are finding our way into combat more and more, and not always attached to an army unit.



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